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[Milana_Saros]

Godak wrote...

Surely Finland isn't totally void of all hate? I mean, I know it's a pretty cool place, but...

Of course it isn't. Why would you even ask?

Of course these people excist and of course their opinion is "simply because". But does that mean that games should be hush hush about homosexuality? Of course not. I actually think Bioware was doing a rather noble thing in making every LI bisexual. They actually took the minorities into account.

The year 2011 and people are freaking out about bi-sexual LIs...for real...opinions always excist but when voicing these anti-homosexual opinions, people are actually being insulting. That's not cool.

[Godak]

Milana_Saros wrote...

The year 2011 and people are freaking out about bi-sexual LIs...for real...opinions always excist but when voicing these anti-homosexual opinions, people are actually being insulting. That's not cool.

*shrug*

What can you do? A lot of those people were probably raise from child hood with those beliefs being shoved down their throats.

[Milana_Saros]

Godak wrote...

Milana_Saros wrote...

The year 2011 and people are freaking out about bi-sexual LIs...for real...opinions always excist but when voicing these anti-homosexual opinions, people are actually being insulting. That's not cool.

*shrug*

What can you do? A lot of those people were probably raise from child hood with those beliefs being shoved down their throats.

Perhaps. I'm just amazed how many people post these opinions into a public forum like "it's nothing". Then again...it's the scary intarhnet munster

[Godak]

Milana_Saros wrote...
Then again...it's the scary intarhnet munster

He sure likes to make himself heard, doesn't he?

[Carfax]

Milana_Saros wrote...

Can't help but nitpick here...love and sex aren't the same thing. One is an extension of the other but shoving it to the players face all the time doesn't really serve a clear purpose.

Not another one!   I challenge you to quote me where I said love and sex were the same things...

And if you played the Witcher, then you know that the relationship between Triss and Geralt is a full blown romance and is much more than just sex....if the player wishes.

The Witcher 2 looks like it's building on top of the already awesome chemistry that we saw in the Witcher between Triss and Geralt.  Judging by the screenshots, they are doing a really good job.

Ehhhh....yeah well, I highly doubt that the amount of people under the age of 16 (M rating = age of 18 in Finland btw) on both ME and DA forums is very small. Ratings are there but people hardly follow them. Then again, for under aged kids, it's the parents responsibilty to check their kids' games. Still, it's kinda brave to put something so easily related to pornography into a product that is so easily availabe.

It's 17 here in the U.S..  But I'm not talking about full blown graphical sex porno style anyway.  Heck, have you seen some of the mods for Dragon Age Origins?

They are clearly pornographic in nature, and it's probably because of them why Bioware hasn't (and probably will never) released a toolset...

Yeah people seem to be upset about homosexuality in DA2. Which is totally mindboggling to me. I don't see how heterosexual nudity is any different from homosexual nudity. It's just simply nudity. Talk about close-mindedness.

It really isn't any different, but nevertheless, homosexuality does offend a LOT of people.  This negative view of homosexuality has been a part of humanity since the dawn of Time..

There's always the option to press ESC during the scenes (hopefully) but riding on sexual content is just...a tad tasteless. I certainly hope that this is just an image created by the hyping fans and not the actual direction of the game.

I certainly wasn't saying that sexual displays and content should be a central theme.  But if a game has an M rating, I don't want it to be treated with "kid gloves" that Western developers like Bioware have been doing.

I'm glad that CDProjekt Red are taking a leading role in this!

[DinoCrisisFan]

I think it should be as realistic as possible.

[Milana_Saros]

Carfax wrote...

Not another one!   I challenge you to quote me where I said love and sex were the same things...

I think people get that idea from the excact quote I had in my post, might want to re-phrase it on the OP because it honestly gives the wrong idea

And if you played the Witcher, then you know that the relationship between Triss and Geralt is a full blown romance and is much more than just sex....if the player wishes.

Hmmm...yeah. Well I never really commented on their relationship to begin with, just the sex cards (which excist, Geral/Triss love or not). It's been a long time since I played the game but I seem to remember something about a ring and making the choice to stop sleeping around? The fact that the choice was there was a very pleasant surprise.

Heck, have you seen some of the mods for Dragon Age Origins?

I don't want to know

I certainly wasn't saying that sexual displays and content should be a central theme.  But if a game has an M rating, I don't want it to be treated with "kid gloves" that Western developers like Bioware have been doing.

I'm glad that CDProjekt Red are taking a leading role in this!

I wasn't talking about you personally. More about the people zealoting in another thread about this. They draw attention to how the sex scenes look like in Witcher 2 (which, as I said, I don't think anyone even knows yet!) and make it look like a valid point to start saying a game is awesome (better than DA2 to be excact).  And indeed, I do hope that it's only an image given by these people, not the game itself.

Witcher 1 was rather tasteful. There were times I even chuckled at some swearing or Geralt commenting on drunkards or something. It was surprisingly realistic and yet not overly nasty. The actual sex scenes I recall being completely faded out, only showing the sex cards.

So I don't know really, it seems like a fuss over nothing. The screenshot already shows that Witcher 2 is far braver in this aspect than any Bioware game but over-emphatazing (sp?) it just gives the wrong idea. If the sex is overdone and in your face all the time as I said, then I find it disturbing. But I honestly doubt that is the case...

In the end, I feel rather indifferent about this. However I do believe that things like this are dragging people's attention to the wrong things. Bioware's LIs have become one of the biggest central aspects of their games. At least in Witcher 2, you only have Triss!

[Pious_Augustus]

As long as I don't lose points because I dont agree with the writers political views that I should be a homosexual or lay with one then its fine. Dragon Age's romances killed it for me. You got an Underaged like girl and then a ****. Maybe that floats some peoples boat but not mine but that wouldnt have ruined the game for me.

What really hurt me was that I lost points for not liking Anders. I mean if the writers wanted Hawke to be a bear and fall in love with the twink Anders then don't beat around the Bush and give my bad points unless I go along with it.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Pious_Augustus wrote...

As long as I don't lose points because I dont agree with the writers political views that I should be a homosexual or lay with one then its fine. Dragon Age's romances killed it for me. You got an Underaged like girl and then a ****. Maybe that floats some peoples boat but not mine but that wouldnt have ruined the game for me.

What really hurt me was that I lost points for not liking Anders. I mean if the writers wanted Hawke to be a bear and fall in love with the twink Anders then don't beat around the Bush and give my bad points unless I go along with it.

Hey, Marine? Consider this a standing order: Shut up about your problems. You are free to have your views as long as you remember to not persist in beating a dead horse.  <_<

[Deathwurm]

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

Pious_Augustus wrote...

As long as I don't lose points because I dont agree with the writers political views that I should be a homosexual or lay with one then its fine. Dragon Age's romances killed it for me. You got an Underaged like girl and then a ****. Maybe that floats some peoples boat but not mine but that wouldnt have ruined the game for me.

What really hurt me was that I lost points for not liking Anders. I mean if the writers wanted Hawke to be a bear and fall in love with the twink Anders then don't beat around the Bush and give my bad points unless I go along with it.

Hey, Marine? Consider this a standing order: Shut up about your problems. You are free to have your views as long as you remember to not persist in beating a dead horse.  <_<

Thank You! I'm at a point where I'm going to end up banned due to language because I just lose it one day on someone who writes Posts like his.

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Modifié par Deathwurm, 08 avril 2011 - 08:12 .

[Garak2]

I'm just curious what demographic BioWare is trying to pull in with romance sub plots.

[pustulio]

Why is sex necessary? I'd much rather character building and friendship- sure, you can throw in a hug, and a kiss option, but I don't feel that games need more than that. Animated sex does not progress the story, it progresses something else(Oh, yes its a pun). Its not necessary, and it certainly does not need to be more hardcore.

There are only two films i've ever seen where sex was necessary, where it built character and deepened the story, not just made the audience horny. Those films were 'In the Cut' and 'Juno'. Sex was important story wise- not selling it to lonely/horny misfits.

[Seagloom]

Garak2 wrote...

I'm just curious what demographic BioWare is trying to pull in with romance sub plots.

They may not be trying to pull any demographic. BioWare experimented with romances in "Tales of the Sword Coast". Following that they gave it a serious try with "Baldur's Gate 2" by having them stretch throughout the entire adventure. Gradually BioWare built a positive and negative reputation for their romances. Now everyone expects them in their games. I think it is less pulling in demographics than catering to demand. Now, their recent design decisions. . . *that* is about demographics in my opinion.

[Arppis]

They could just leave the cameras outside of the bed room and I wouldn't really miss anything. Unless they really put some time to these scenes, they aren't really worth doing.

[Garak2]

Seagloom wrote...

Garak2 wrote...

I'm just curious what demographic BioWare is trying to pull in with romance sub plots.

They may not be trying to pull any demographic. BioWare experimented with romances in "Tales of the Sword Coast". Following that they gave it a serious try with "Baldur's Gate 2" by having them stretch throughout the entire adventure. Gradually BioWare built a positive and negative reputation for their romances. Now everyone expects them in their games. I think it is less pulling in demographics than catering to demand. Now, their recent design decisions. . . *that* is about demographics in my opinion.

Well, I could do without it and would prefer it that way actually. I have been playing RPG's since the SNES and I just don't think the romance stuff is needed in an RPG and if done badly it can take away from the game. I don't play RPG's to advance some meaningless romance plot leading to an awkward sex scene.

It is my opinion that some of the most mature games (like the Witcher) are the most immature.

[Seagloom]

You will not find argument from me. I am not vehemently against romances. I have even enjoyed a few BioWare romances in the past. However, I would be lying to claim they were acceptable. They need serious improvement and refinement to truly become special. As they are I find them passable under the best circumstances. Still, I much rather they continue to work on their game design than boot them altogether. I would also prefer that romances were only included where they add something meaningful to the story.

In short, I agree and disagree.

[Garak2]

Seagloom wrote...

You will not find argument from me. I am not vehemently against romances. I have even enjoyed a few BioWare romances in the past. However, I would be lying to claim they were acceptable. They need serious improvement and refinement to truly become special. As they are I find them passable under the best circumstances. Still, I much rather they continue to work on their game design than boot them altogether. I would also prefer that romances were only included where they add something meaningful to the story.

In short, I agree and disagree.

When I was playing The Witcher, between the cursing and the sex stuff it got to the point where I was playing with the bedroom door closed so the kids wouldn't see and hear it. It was just that over the top. Eventually I just stopped playing, I don't like being shut off in a room like that. 

That's what I mean by "the most mature games are immature". Sex crazed and rebellious teenagers may love it while real adults think it is over the top and unnecessary. I hope BioWare doesn't go down that path but from what I have heard, romance plays a larger role in DA2 than it did previous BW games.

[slimgrin]

Garak2 wrote...

I'm just curious what demographic BioWare is trying to pull in with romance sub plots.

Bingo.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

KenKenpachi wrote...


But that being said it should be in a context and not just thrown in because we can, such as RDR walking in on a mexican woman being screwed on a table....that was just odd.

The word you are looking for is "Awkward!"

[Milana_Saros]

Captain Cornhole wrote...

Milana_Saros wrote...

Of course these people excist and of course their opinion is "simply because". But does that mean that games should be hush hush about homosexuality? Of course not. I actually think Bioware was doing a rather noble thing in making every LI bisexual. They actually took the minorities into account.

The year 2011 and people are freaking out about bi-sexual LIs...for real...opinions always excist but when voicing these anti-homosexual opinions, people are actually being insulting. That's not cool.

Personally, making every romancable NPC bisexual in Dragon Age came off to me as a cheep way to appease every demographic on Bioware's behalf. I would prefer that they made the NPC's sexual preferences go along with the character's personality. Like Anders for example, in DA:O he was straight and all of a sudden in DA2 he is bi, dosn't make much sence but what ever.

*shrug*

As I said, maybe it should be better to abandon the whole LI business since it honestly is going too far...it's impossible to please everyone and catering to every demographic would require a swarm of LI's which would soon evolve into a nasty plot forking with sequels (who died, who didn't, who was romanced, who is an ass, who is not, who was friendmanced, who was rivalmanced, who is dying from a lethal dicease, who only has a harmless STD...see I can't even stay serious on this subject). It's like shooting yourself on the leg...and then doing it all over again in a sequel.

*sigh* I miss Baldur's Gate so much...all you needed was that nice 2D landscape, interesting story and dialog, awesome sound world and occasionaly an awesome +1 Longsword in a chest. And Minsc and Boo.

My intention is not to be elitist but in all honesty, games focused on the right things back then.

[Deathwurm]

Milana_Saros wrote...

Captain Cornhole wrote...

Milana_Saros wrote...

Of course these people excist and of course their opinion is "simply because". But does that mean that games should be hush hush about homosexuality? Of course not. I actually think Bioware was doing a rather noble thing in making every LI bisexual. They actually took the minorities into account.

The year 2011 and people are freaking out about bi-sexual LIs...for real...opinions always excist but when voicing these anti-homosexual opinions, people are actually being insulting. That's not cool.

Personally, making every romancable NPC bisexual in Dragon Age came off to me as a cheep way to appease every demographic on Bioware's behalf. I would prefer that they made the NPC's sexual preferences go along with the character's personality. Like Anders for example, in DA:O he was straight and all of a sudden in DA2 he is bi, dosn't make much sence but what ever.

*shrug*

As I said, maybe it should be better to abandon the whole LI business since it honestly is going too far...it's impossible to please everyone and catering to every demographic would require a swarm of LI's which would soon evolve into a nasty plot forking with sequels (who died, who didn't, who was romanced, who is an ass, who is not, who was friendmanced, who was rivalmanced, who is dying from a lethal dicease, who only has a harmless STD...see I can't even stay serious on this subject). It's like shooting yourself on the leg...and then doing it all over again in a sequel.

*sigh* I miss Baldur's Gate so much...all you needed was that nice 2D landscape, interesting story and dialog, awesome sound world and occasionaly an awesome +1 Longsword in a chest. And Minsc and Boo.

My intention is not to be elitist but in all honesty, games focused on the right things back then.

I can certainly see where you're coming from (BTW...go check out Good Old Games.com because you no longer need to miss the Baldur's Gate series)
But I think that the industry is just on the edge of getting the whole Love Interest concept right.
I haven't played DA2 yet, but I really enjoyed the way that LI's were handled in the Mass Effect series...so I'm actually looking forward to future games where it'll be handled with a bit more experience under developers belts.

[Volus Warlord]

Garak2 wrote...

I'm just curious what demographic BioWare is trying to pull in with romance sub plots.

None. It is political peen flexing and nothing more.

[Aargh12]

Volus Warlord wrote...

If I wanted to see that stuff I'd watch a porno.

I'm playing action games for action, in the maliciously violent sense.

If DA2 ot Witcher  were action games. They are RPGs - they're supposed to give you freedom and you're supposed to act as you like. Don't want to romance NPC? Then don't do it, but don't limit options for those who want better RPG experience.