Well it isn't much of a rite is it? I mean they rush in and kill everyone ...
Rite or Right?
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#27
Posté 06 avril 2011 - 12:27
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DG was using "Rite of Annulment" the other day in the Was Anders Justified thread for what its worth
#28
Posté 06 avril 2011 - 12:30
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I go for Rite.
A Rite is more than just a religious ceremony - it's a specific act or custom. We talk about a "Rite of Passage", no?
Makes more sense to me than Right in this context.
A Rite is more than just a religious ceremony - it's a specific act or custom. We talk about a "Rite of Passage", no?
Makes more sense to me than Right in this context.
#29
Posté 06 avril 2011 - 12:36
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From the codex: Divine Galatea, responding to the catastrophe in Nevarra and hoping to prevent further incidents, granted all the Grand Clerics of the Chantry the power to purge a Circle entirely if they rule it irredeemable. This Rite of Annulment has been performed 17 times in the last 700 years.
The codex emphasis is more over the decision-making itself, and not so much about the means to achieve it (which would make it ceremonial).
Although, the codex does say rite :T
The codex emphasis is more over the decision-making itself, and not so much about the means to achieve it (which would make it ceremonial).
Although, the codex does say rite :T
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#30
Posté 06 avril 2011 - 12:43
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The body of the codex says rite, but when you first get it in DA2, the alert says "Right of Annulment."
I play with dialogue subtitles, and the subtitles ALWAYS say Right of Annulment.
I play with dialogue subtitles, and the subtitles ALWAYS say Right of Annulment.
#31
Posté 06 avril 2011 - 12:45
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The Chantry is so incompetent, it can't even settle on a name.
#32
Posté 06 avril 2011 - 01:18
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I'm just going to call it "The Right for the Rite of Annulment" from now on.
#33
Posté 06 avril 2011 - 01:32
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In DAO they needed the RIGHT to perform the RITE, hence they waited for the order from the Chantry in WRITing. Wynne, of course, disagreed that this is the RIGHT course of action and will engage in a FIGHT should you choose to perform the RITE. In DA2, Meredith invoked the RIGHT to perform the RITE, because in her mind the RIGHT to the RIGHT is RIGHTly hers.
Really it's not about who's RIGHT, it's about who's left.
Really it's not about who's RIGHT, it's about who's left.
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#34
Posté 06 avril 2011 - 01:33
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The Chantry cant tell Rite from Wrong.
#35
Posté 06 avril 2011 - 01:51
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Blah. 20 minutes too late to make that same joke.
Anyway, add me for Rite.
Anyway, add me for Rite.
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Posté 06 avril 2011 - 02:27
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Rite of Annulment:
And the knight-commander raised the holy hand grenade up on high saying "Oh Andraste, bless Thy hand grenade that with it Thou mayest blow Thine Mages to tiny bits, in Thy mercy.". And Andraste spake saying "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then thou shalt count to three, no more, no less.Three shalt be the number thou shalt count and the number of the counting shalt be three. Four shall thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then shall proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number be reached, thou lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Andraste towards my foe, who be naughty in my sight, shall snuff it." Bless the Maker
Fragment of text found in the cave of the killer rabbit 9:02 Dragon Age
And the knight-commander raised the holy hand grenade up on high saying "Oh Andraste, bless Thy hand grenade that with it Thou mayest blow Thine Mages to tiny bits, in Thy mercy.". And Andraste spake saying "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then thou shalt count to three, no more, no less.Three shalt be the number thou shalt count and the number of the counting shalt be three. Four shall thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then shall proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number be reached, thou lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Andraste towards my foe, who be naughty in my sight, shall snuff it." Bless the Maker
Fragment of text found in the cave of the killer rabbit 9:02 Dragon Age
#37
Posté 06 avril 2011 - 02:42
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Yeah, I've changed my mind. I'm now leaning toward rite.
But still, it could go either way.
But still, it could go either way.
#38
Posté 06 avril 2011 - 03:04
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sth128 wrote...
In DAO they needed the RIGHT to perform the RITE[...]
Really it's not about who's RIGHT, it's about who's left.
Firstly, if they needed to request the "RIGHT" then it wasn't a RIGHT, it was a PRIVELEGE, meaning that the ceremony can't be a RIGHT. Also, because of the definition, I definitely think it's RITE: "a formal or ceremonial act or procedure prescribed or customary in religious or other solemn use" (from Dictionary.com). Spelling it as "RIGHT" is just an error.
Secondly, lol. Who's left indeed.
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#39
Posté 06 avril 2011 - 03:06
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sth128 wrote...
In DAO they needed the RIGHT to perform the RITE, hence they waited for the order from the Chantry in WRITing. Wynne, of course, disagreed that this is the RIGHT course of action and will engage in a FIGHT should you choose to perform the RITE. In DA2, Meredith invoked the RIGHT to perform the RITE, because in her mind the RIGHT to the RIGHT is RIGHTly hers.
Really it's not about who's RIGHT, it's about who's left.
I think you've made the word right have no meaning now.
Anyway it really does depend on what they are talking about:
The templars have the Right to preform Rite the Annulment when authorized.
The action itself is a Rite.
As for the Codex, The writing hurt my eyes too badly for me to continue reading them, so I don't know which it was referring to.
#40
Posté 06 avril 2011 - 05:07
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The righteous stay, the horrors flight.
No blood mage shall escape my Rite.
Annul those who yield to demon's blight,
Behold the Chantry... The Templar Knight!
No blood mage shall escape my Rite.
Annul those who yield to demon's blight,
Behold the Chantry... The Templar Knight!
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#41
Posté 06 avril 2011 - 05:08
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sth128 wrote...
The righteous stay, the horrors flight.
No blood mage shall escape my Rite.
Annul those who yield to demon's blight,
Behold the Chantry... The Templar Knight!
Well said Serah Jordan.
Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 06 avril 2011 - 05:09 .
#42
Posté 06 avril 2011 - 05:12
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It's "Right of Annulment"... as in the templars possess the right to annul a Circle when it gets out of hand. I wasn't aware it was inconsistent, but it's easy even for us to get confused sometimes.
#43
Posté 06 avril 2011 - 05:18
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David Gaider wrote...
It's "Right of Annulment"... as in the templars possess the right to annul a Circle when it gets out of hand. I wasn't aware it was inconsistent, but it's easy even for us to get confused sometimes.
oooo... it's particularly interesting since it shows they have concepts of rights apart from feudal rights.
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Posté 06 avril 2011 - 05:20
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Satyricon331 wrote...
David Gaider wrote...
It's "Right of Annulment"... as in the templars possess the right to annul a Circle when it gets out of hand. I wasn't aware it was inconsistent, but it's easy even for us to get confused sometimes.
oooo... it's particularly interesting since it shows they have concepts of rights apart from feudal rights.
Yeah, I was thinking about that earlier... I was going to say, it makes more sense for it to be "Right" than "Rite," because it's more like they're invoking their "right to kill all mages", than some sort of ritual or ceremonial procedure. But then, how developed is their concept of "rights"?
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Posté 06 avril 2011 - 05:21
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I played through the mage origin/Circle in DAO recently and it was definitely always "Right" (in the subtitles). I think it just gets confused with the Rite of Tranquility.Caralampio wrote...
In DAO it was the rite of annulment. In DA2, the right of annulment. I want the rite to be right, so which is right? Write it right!
#46
Posté 06 avril 2011 - 05:28
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I'm starting to think the Kirkwall Rite of Tranquility just involves punching them in the forehead while wearing brass knuckles in the shape of the chantry symbol...
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Posté 06 avril 2011 - 05:33
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David Gaider wrote...
It's "Right of Annulment"... as in the templars possess the right to annul a Circle when it gets out of hand. I wasn't aware it was inconsistent, but it's easy even for us to get confused sometimes.
Thanks for clarifying
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Posté 06 avril 2011 - 05:35
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They had issues with the Grey Warden "Rite" of Conscription in Origins, too, and that very definitely was supposed to be "Right". Imo whether it should be Rite or Right of Annulment depends on whether they have to send for an actual physical object--in Origins it sounded like Greagoir was sending for a *thing* which granted the Right. So there may actually be both a Rite and a Right of Annulment.
Meredith invoked the Right of Annulment though, because she didn't send for a sealed relic or ceremonial sword or whatever is used to initiate the Rite of Annulment.
But I encourage the devs to keep both usages just to mess with people.
Meredith invoked the Right of Annulment though, because she didn't send for a sealed relic or ceremonial sword or whatever is used to initiate the Rite of Annulment.
But I encourage the devs to keep both usages just to mess with people.
#49
Posté 06 avril 2011 - 05:43
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Satyricon331 wrote...
David Gaider wrote...
It's "Right of Annulment"... as in the templars possess the right to annul a Circle when it gets out of hand. I wasn't aware it was inconsistent, but it's easy even for us to get confused sometimes.
oooo... it's particularly interesting since it shows they have concepts of rights apart from feudal rights.
Sure. Why wouldn't they? Feudal rights and duties weren't the only substantive rights in the later middle ages. Certainly the Church (and the Chantry, here) possessed certain rights and immunities.
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Posté 06 avril 2011 - 05:53
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Emperor Iaius I wrote...
Satyricon331 wrote...
David Gaider wrote...
It's "Right of Annulment"... as in the templars possess the right to annul a Circle when it gets out of hand. I wasn't aware it was inconsistent, but it's easy even for us to get confused sometimes.
oooo... it's particularly interesting since it shows they have concepts of rights apart from feudal rights.
Sure. Why wouldn't they? Feudal rights and duties weren't the only substantive rights in the later middle ages. Certainly the Church (and the Chantry, here) possessed certain rights and immunities.
Well, the Church was a feudal entity, but on reflection, it could be a right arising from the Templars' feudal relationship with the Chantry (as opposed to a right against a non-feudal entity), so my original post wasn't even right. le sigh
