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[Torax]

What about a Steven Wright of Annulment?

[Emperor Iaius I]

The Church was a feudal sovereign when it exercised its temporal powers, but I refer to church holdings and ecclesiastical independence inside the domains of other feudal landowners.

[Satyricon331]

I'm not sure I see how so? Church holdings were often either held in fee simple or had more complex feudal structures, but were still feudal land holdings - they still held the land in fees or leaseholdings. If you mean they simply didn't owe fealty to a secular lord/didn't pay taxes... I wouldn't have characterized it as non-feudal, since people of the time conceived of clerics' loyalty going to God. But then we've entered an unfortunate area since "feudal" isn't an academically acceptable term anymore since it doesn't really have a good definition. I just intended it in a loose sense to contrast it with the (now) more ordinary sense of rights that arose in the Enlightenment, as socially arising contractual rights or individual natural rights.

[sphinxess]

Then there is a Maker given right to kill all mages? Interesting

[Paeyne]

David Gaider wrote...

It's "Right of Annulment"... as in the templars possess the right to annul a Circle when it gets out of hand. I wasn't aware it was inconsistent, but it's easy even for us to get confused sometimes.

I don't think it is inconsistant I think people are mixing up their rights with their rites.

Right of Annulment - the right of the Chantry to purge the mages if they feel the need is great enough.
Right of Conscription - the right of the Wardens to conscript people against their or someone elses will.
Rite of Tranquility - a rite (ceremony) that cuts off the mage from the fade.

There is a codex that refers to the Rite of Annulment, but I believe it refers to the act of enforcing the Right of Annulment (ie killing every one).

So.. as I read it... you can only do the rite if you have the right to do it.

Hope that clears things up for you.. lol

Modifié par Paeyne, 06 avril 2011 - 08:05 .

[AlexXIV]

sphinxess wrote...

Then there is a Maker given right to kill all mages? Interesting

The Maker gave the Chantry alot of things He isn't even aware of.

[Firky]

David Gaider wrote...

It's "Right of Annulment"... as in the templars possess the right to annul a Circle when it gets out of hand. I wasn't aware it was inconsistent, but it's easy even for us to get confused sometimes.

Yeek. I always thought it was Rite. But "Right" is much more creepier.

[wikkedjoker]

I thought it was the Left of Annulment

[Teddie Sage]

Both are politically correct... RITE for doing it RIGHT and RIGHT for doing the RITE.

[_Aine_]

I really would have considered it to be Rite, as a rite includes the ceremonies, prayers, or simply function of a formal process or body. Heck, high tea could be considered a rite! A child's first lost tooth is a rite of passage, etc.

A rite is a formal, representative or ceremonial act, in this case, to purge the circle by the overseeing body.  And they "invoke" the rite, so... 

oO I kowtow to the powers that be though. This time. Last time it *was* Rite, according to the codex and the dragon age wiki.

Modifié par shantisands, 06 avril 2011 - 01:10 .

[sth128]

There once was an eager Templar, Wright
Who sought an annulment through the Rite
He spammed the old Chantry
And pissed off the Sentry
So he banned Wright the Rite Right in write

[Beerfish]

Two wrongs don't make a rite
But two Wrights made an airplane.

Two wrongs don't make a right
But three lefts do

[Rylor Tormtor]

David Gaider wrote...

It's "Right of Annulment"... as in the templars possess the right to annul a Circle when it gets out of hand. I wasn't aware it was inconsistent, but it's easy even for us to get confused sometimes.

That is just dumb. 

Sorry.

As a classicist and a philologist, your usage of the word is suspect. 

[Dasha Dreyson]

Before DA2, I assumed it was Rite. I actually imagined it to be a physical object like a giant bomb. I do know that Rite usually refers to an action/process, but I still saw it as a giant holy hand grenade.
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If it wasn't for the ingredients quest, I would have just assumed Anders used it on the Chantry and afterward Meredith exercised what she assumed was her right to kill people.

[David Gaider]

Rylor Tormtor wrote...
That is just dumb. 

Sorry.

As a classicist and a philologist, your usage of the word is suspect. 

...it's a right/privilege that is being exercised.

What is so suspect about the word usage?

Modifié par David Gaider, 06 avril 2011 - 03:44 .

[Rylor Tormtor]

In addition, if it was "right" instead of "rite", as in the Knight Commander has the "right" to annul the circle, why did Gregoir have to send for permission, instead of just declaring like Meredith did. A "rite" is something the requires sanction, preparation, then action, like the way it was described in DAO.

[The Angry One]

Rylor Tormtor wrote...

In addition, if it was "right" instead of "rite", as in the Knight Commander has the "right" to annul the circle, why did Gregoir have to send for permission, instead of just declaring like Meredith did. A "rite" is something the requires sanction, preparation, then action, like the way it was described in DAO.

He's asking for the "right" from the Grand Cleric.
In case it escaped you, the Grand Cleric at the time Meredith orders it is dead.

[Rylor Tormtor]

David Gaider wrote...

Rylor Tormtor wrote...
That is just dumb. 

Sorry.

As a classicist and a philologist, your usage of the word is suspect. 

...it's a right that is being exercised.

What is so suspect about the word usage?

Right has a particular moral colouring which presents problems. Rite, on the other hand, with its attachment to ceremonial actions, and the Chantry's guadianship of the Circle, through the Templars, makes much more internal sense. 

Looking at the term further, I can see, SOMEWHAT, how you are concieving of the use of "right", with the popular transaltion of something like "ius primae noctis," in "right of the first night", even though that is not really what the Latin says. Anyways, right seems more associated with in a legal (or geometric ;-) ) setting, as opposed to rite, which has religous connotations, which seemed more likely with involvement of the Chantry. 

[Rylor Tormtor]

The Angry One wrote...

Rylor Tormtor wrote...

In addition, if it was "right" instead of "rite", as in the Knight Commander has the "right" to annul the circle, why did Gregoir have to send for permission, instead of just declaring like Meredith did. A "rite" is something the requires sanction, preparation, then action, like the way it was described in DAO.

He's asking for the "right" from the Grand Cleric.
In case it escaped you, the Grand Cleric at the time Meredith orders it is dead.

Aye, but there's the rub. Rights are not something given by an authority, but inherent unto an office, while a rite might be something more appropriate for a religious figure to grant.

The point is moot, however, and I am just being overly nitpicky,so.. umm... carry on. ;-)

[David Gaider]

Rylor Tormtor wrote...
In addition, if it was "right" instead of "rite", as in the Knight Commander has the "right" to annul the circle, why did Gregoir have to send for permission, instead of just declaring like Meredith did. A "rite" is something the requires sanction, preparation, then action, like the way it was described in DAO.

Because them possessing the right to annul the Circle does not automatically mean they have the right to do so whenver they wish? It's not a ritual or an observance, after all, but a privilege that may be exercised under select criteria.

[AshenEndymion]

Rylor Tormtor wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Rylor Tormtor wrote...

In addition, if it was "right" instead of "rite", as in the Knight Commander has the "right" to annul the circle, why did Gregoir have to send for permission, instead of just declaring like Meredith did. A "rite" is something the requires sanction, preparation, then action, like the way it was described in DAO.

He's asking for the "right" from the Grand Cleric.
In case it escaped you, the Grand Cleric at the time Meredith orders it is dead.

Aye, but there's the rub. Rights are not something given by an authority, but inherent unto an office, while a rite might be something more appropriate for a religious figure to grant.

The point is moot, however, and I am just being overly nitpicky,so.. umm... carry on. ;-)

Yeah, no... I have the RIGHT to drive a car.  Given to me by the state I live in.  I can't just go around and drive, willy-nilly without said permission....

Of course, if the Grand Cleric gives permission by sending a holy sword that must be used to pierce every mage within the Circle.... Then "Rite" certainly is applicable.

[jadefishes]

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who has spent any time at all pondering the question.

[Avissel]

David Gaider wrote...
Because them possessing the right to annul the Circle does not automatically mean they have the right to do so whenver they wish? It's not a ritual or an observance, after all, but a privilege that may be exercised under select criteria.

Plus, "Privillage of Anullment" just sounds akward.

[Apollo Starflare]

The Angry One wrote...

Rylor Tormtor wrote...

In addition, if it was "right" instead of "rite", as in the Knight Commander has the "right" to annul the circle, why did Gregoir have to send for permission, instead of just declaring like Meredith did. A "rite" is something the requires sanction, preparation, then action, like the way it was described in DAO.

He's asking for the "right" from the Grand Cleric.
In case it escaped you, the Grand Cleric at the time Meredith orders it is dead.

Goddamnit Anders!

Oh and I vote for 'rite' ala "the rite of AshkEnte".

[David Gaider]

Apollo Starflare wrote...
Oh and I vote for 'rite' ala "the rite of AshkEnte".

This isn't an election.