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[errant_knight]

DA:O is one of the only games where I play as a female as I usually find the presentation of female characters very annoying. I was really sad to see them throw that away. It was unique and appreciated. I tried a female mage in the demo, which was enough to convince me to never ever do that, but it wasn't until I got to the full game that I realized that female warriors look just as ridiculous. So I played a male Hawke. I can't even stand to let Aveline go into rooms first to take the heat off my mage Hawke. It was very distressing as I really enjoyed being able to play as my own gender for a change. I never got to the voice, since I quit the game and made a new character as soon as I saw Hawke run a few feet.

Modifié par errant_knight, 06 avril 2011 - 05:28 .

[Aeowyn]

I don't really see an issue with the female walk. Her hip sway is not overly done, and I prefer it to fem Shep's ME2 male walk with the head swing. Seriously.
I also love that my warrior can FINALLY wear armour that not only covers everything but also looks good on her. As for carrying the 2 handed swords and make it look believeable - since when did male Hawke make it look any more believeable? I'd say that role would go to the qunari.

[EmperorSahlertz]

People got a messed up perception of what kind of body is "required" to be a warrior. Just saying. (as in you do NOT have to be extremely buff to carry a 2h)

[TheBlackBaron]

I must be alone in thinking the two-handed swords aren't particularly unrealistic - a 6ft long sword is large but not outrageously so, and they commonly weighed in the 4-10 pound range.

[Sjofn]

I don't like her idle or run animations much, and I wish she had guns like Aveline, but otherwise I'm pretty happy with LadyHawke.

[Ski Mask Wei]

I think they did a good job with LadyHawke. I like her animations and all that. Although she might be a little too dainty as a warrior but I'd rather keep it the way it is than do what they did to FemShep in ME2 movement wise.

[Starling2105]

No way! Just because a femme character is tough doesn't mean she needs to be butch. I liked her adorable movements while running around being a sarcastic warrior.

Make her manly and I might as well just make a male character.

[DAFerelden91]

Glad to see I'm not the only one got annoyed by female Hawke's pointless and overdone hip swings.Still can't believe some people actually like that...lol
I say Bioware is not very good at making female characters.Look at the body models they used in DA:O and DA2,those ladies look like anorexic sl#ts with massive boobs job.Ugh,even old ladies like Leandra and Wynne..What's with those huge boobs?!Can't we make a female character with tough,intimidating and kick ass looking? In Mass Effect 2 console version,we can't even make a female character with decent looking lips!

Modifié par DAFerelden91, 06 avril 2011 - 06:41 .

[TheBlackBaron]

DAFerelden91 wrote...

Glad to see I'm not the only one got annoyed by female Hawke's pointless and overdone hip swings.Still can't believe some people actually like that...lol
I say Bioware is not very good at making female characters.Look at the body models they used in Mass Effect and Dragon Age(both DA:O and DA2),those ladies look like anorexic sl#ts..Can't we make a female character with tough,intimidating and kick ass looking?

Uh, what?

This may be a result of staring too long at the female models in my perverse sexual lust, but FemHawke is pretty curvy, and FemShep is no twig herself. 

[foam]

Starling2105 wrote...

No way! Just because a femme character is tough doesn't mean she needs to be butch. I liked her adorable movements while running around being a sarcastic warrior.

Make her manly and I might as well just make a male character.

No one is saying that she should be "manly". I'd simply prefer that she walked/ran more like a real woman and less like an exaggerated parody of one. What about the people who don't want her to be adorable and dainty?

I personally feel like she was created with the male gamer in mind. Though I could be wrong, of course.

[DAFerelden91]

TheBlackBaron wrote...
Uh, what?

This may be a result of staring too long at the female models in my perverse sexual lust, but FemHawke is pretty curvy, and FemShep is no twig herself. 

*sigh*Well,this is one of the reason why Bioware fails at creating female characters... lol Curvy body,yes,perfect for models and...well,wh0r3s.But fighters and warriors?Dear Maker,NO!At least make us a somehow athletic but not over-buffed body!
As for FemShep...I don't know,I just hate her lip and her voice..lol

Modifié par DAFerelden91, 06 avril 2011 - 06:47 .

[foam]

Edit: Oops why didn't my first post show up? D:

Modifié par foam, 06 avril 2011 - 06:50 .

[Camilladilla]

foam wrote...

Starling2105 wrote...

No way! Just because a femme character is tough doesn't mean she needs to be butch. I liked her adorable movements while running around being a sarcastic warrior.

Make her manly and I might as well just make a male character.

No one is saying that she should be "manly". I'd simply prefer that she walked/ran more like a real woman and less like an exaggerated parody of one. What about the people who don't want her to be adorable and dainty?

I personally feel like she was created with the male gamer in mind. Though I could be wrong, of course.

Well, I admit, I would rather have had Aveline as the base for my femHawke and her voice as well, but I believe I'm in a sad minority.

[Aeowyn]

I think the animations were created with the female gamers in mind because there has been a lot of wishes on the Fem Shep thread. Fem Shep had her separate animations in Mass Effect 1, and they looked realistic. In Mass Effect 2 they completely removed them and she now uses the male Shep walking and sitting animations which honestly looks stupid.
Additionally, some people really need to look at women with muscles. They don't suddenly look larger because they had muscles, unless they're body builders.
@DAFerelden91: So just because you hate FemShep you call her anorexic? Right. I love the fact that female Shepard actually looks like a woman and isn't just ****** and ass. The boob armour in Origins was ridiculous, as were the female bodies in the upper arm/torso area. They've at least made it proportionate, and I love that in DA2 the boob armour is gone and replaced with something believeable.

[mesmerizedish]

The proper terminology is "Lady Hawke," not Fem Hawke.

[Starling2105]

foam wrote...

Starling2105 wrote...

No way! Just because a femme character is tough doesn't mean she needs to be butch. I liked her adorable movements while running around being a sarcastic warrior.

Make her manly and I might as well just make a male character.

No one is saying that she should be "manly". I'd simply prefer that she walked/ran more like a real woman and less like an exaggerated parody of one. What about the people who don't want her to be adorable and dainty?

I personally feel like she was created with the male gamer in mind. Though I could be wrong, of course.

haha well no you are probably right. That's why almost all female characters in games are oversexualized - they have the male gamer in mind since they are the largest demographic.

But it's true..some of her animations are exaggerated,' but I guess I'd prefer that to F!Shep whose movements are very masculine. A healthy balance between the two is good to aim for.

[sylvanaerie]

When I first saw it in the demo, I didn't care for it but I have grown to like LadyHawke's appearance, animation and voice. I don't want some mannish PC with boobs and ass and male animations running round the game. Just because she kicks ass, she doesn't have to compromise her femininity. By the same token I don't think she will squeal, stomp her foot and complain about breaking a nail. She seems to be made of sterner stuff than that.
As for her size/2hander ratio, look at Fenris. I hardly believe he's the beast in combat that he is to look at him but I know for a fact, that sometimes little people can contain surprising strength in those wiry muscles. My baby brother is like that.
Plus the armor DOES make more sense in this game. I hate some of the armor styles in other games where you get exposed bellies, throats, sometimes the boobs AND ass in thong style metal. Who the hell wears a steel thong up their crack? Or nine inch bootheels? The finest in chain mail hooker wear...
As far as I'm concerned, Bioware took a huge step forward with females in DA2. LadyHawke's delivery of lines was as good as the male (though i did notice some differences in dialogues). I never got a sense of either gender being prefered over another in the care taken in writing and acting. Both are excellent.

[katling73]

Lady Hawke's running style makes me giggle a bit. Honestly, that girl is going to put out a hip or a vertebrae swinging her hips like that while she's running. And the arm movements are really, really girly too. I think the programmers need to go and watch some female athletes run - sprinters, middle distance runners and long distance runners to cover all the bases - to see how it's really done.

Though I definitely approve of the armour both in DA2 and DA:O. It actually looks like proper armour. Nothing annoys me more than a female character wearing something that is supposed to be armour but is actually a chain mail bikini. It might be sexy (for varying values of sexy) but it's completely impractical and she'd be dead in her first battle irl.

[sammcl]

Lady Hawke's run animation was definately noticable, first time it really hit me was when I was running around Kirkwall in act 1 visiting vendors and collecting loot. I got used to it as time went on but it still needs to be a bit more subtle.

As for voice acting, I didn't feel like Lady Hawke had enough range, I never really stuck to one specific style of dialogue so I didn't really notice if sarcasm was really well done. I can say that overall Male Hawke's voice acting was much better for me. He conveys anger and authoritative tones much better. The only hiccup for me was when he hooked up with Isabela and said cheesily "come with me, I'll show you what I have in mind" or something along those lines. That was an awful delivery >_< I'm kind of accepted that romance dialogue will always sound lame.

[Ieldra]

Exile Isan wrote...
Geez, first people complain that FemShep walks too much like a man and now FemHawke's walk is too feminine. BioWare can't win.

Indeed.

I must say I was pleasantly surprised at femHawke's animation after ME2. Admittedly it is a bit overdone but I prefer it to the way femShep walked - or sat on a couch, to mention the most WTF femShep posture.

[sonsonthebia07]

Appearance = Sexy, yet with arrogance.

Movement = Awesome, vastly improved over previous titles. This is so much better than ME2 and Origins. Mass Effect 1 had a good female movement scheme though.

Voice = Awesome, works with just about any build.

I don't agree with you on any of the points, for all that I'm concerned this was a huge step in the right direction.

And like others say, Bioware cannot please everyone. She either walks too much like a man or too much like a woman - frankly, I'd take too much like a woman seeing as how she is one...


Also, please don't start with the "women are oversexualized" jazz when every damn human male in the game is walking around with a six-pack.

Modifié par sonsonthebia07, 06 avril 2011 - 08:18 .

[Reidbynature]

I've always been reluctant to post about Lady Hawke's running animation in case you got the odd "but I have" (turns out she had a blow to the head  ). I couldn't help but think every time that I've never seen anyone move like that. Still it's not game breaking, just daft. Though I'm not bothered about her physique. She looks much like how any other female in a fantasy setting would.

The voice is the bit that really gets me. Whoever the actress is, she doesn't embarrass herself exactly, but she doesn't sound right either. I don't know if it's the silly posh accent she's trying to do, but it sounds weird listening to her. It's as if she's part tranquil and her emotions don't really connect with whatever is actually being said or fit the situation. It's all a bit weird and off putting to play.

Modifié par Reidbynature, 06 avril 2011 - 08:42 .

[Stinkface27]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

People got a messed up perception of what kind of body is "required" to be a warrior. Just saying. (as in you do NOT have to be extremely buff to carry a 2h)

What are you basing this on, your vast experience fighting with a two-handed sword? You don't need to be super buff to lift one, but you certainly need to be strong and long-armed to use one expertly. Especially with the ease that Hawke uses his/hers.

[TobiTobsen]

Stinkface27 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

People got a messed up perception of what kind of body is "required" to be a warrior. Just saying. (as in you do NOT have to be extremely buff to carry a 2h)

What are you basing this on, your vast experience fighting with a two-handed sword? You don't need to be super buff to lift one, but you certainly need to be strong and long-armed to use one expertly. Especially with the ease that Hawke uses his/hers.

The question is: Could you ever use the two-handed swords in a way the Hawkes use them? I mean... i always thought the two-handed animations in DAO were pretty good but a little bit to slow, but what the **** are M! and F!Hawke doing there? How long can somebody do this? I mean there is a reason why two-handed sword were used against pikemen, but Hawke is fighting against nearly everthing with enormous speed. It must be really exhausting to fight the way he/she does it.

And... of course: The enemys with two-handed swords still use the DAO animations. Nobody taught them the Zweihänder-Ballet.

[DAFerelden91]

@Aeowyn Actually,it was a typo about FemShep,but whatever.I hate FemShep because of her bland voice.that's it.Guess the voice actor are to be blamed for doing bad job lol As for the boobs amour,well,it's gone,yes,but the massive boobs is still there!!Jeez!What's the hype about those "supernatural" boobies?!