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[Avissel]

Really? I would have figured you would go berserker. Cause that's the angry one. (ba-dum ching)

[Plaintiff]

He is infused with lyrium that lets him rip the heart out of his enemys, makes him faster after a kill and enables him to send a shockwave out.

But I'm not seeing super-strength on the list of his abilities. If it were, it would have a lot more functionality than being able to punch halfway through a wall.

[Lithuasil]

You realize that there isn't a sword or dagger in this game, that could be operated in the intended way by anyone other then the hulk? :|

[The Angry One]

How dare you cast spurn on my 1 hander Vigilance.

[Avissel]

Lithuasil wrote...

You realize that there isn't a sword or dagger in this game, that could be operated in the intended way by anyone other then the hulk? :|

There are also no staffs that don't shoot magic.

[The Angry One]

Avissel wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

You realize that there isn't a sword or dagger in this game, that could be operated in the intended way by anyone other then the hulk? :|

There are also no staffs that don't shoot magic.

The Maker ordained that quarterstaffs are for sissies.

[Lithuasil]

Avissel wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

You realize that there isn't a sword or dagger in this game, that could be operated in the intended way by anyone other then the hulk? :|

There are also no staffs that don't shoot magic.

But the staffs are at least at a size (if not always form) to be used for comfortable fighting. But I'm pretty sure, unless it's hollow, the very first great sword you start off with, weighs more then me.

[aox_general]

Avissel wrote...

aox_general wrote...
So you can't claim that FemHawke LOOKS LIKE A WOMAN. FemHawke looks like some very specific women, and there's really no reason to ridicule those women who don't want or need to look like that.

FemHawke looking like a spefici woman, would still mean that she looks like a woman. Now if she looked like an ostrich? Then yes you could say "She does not look like a woman"

heh, so those are the only options? FemHawke looks the way she did or she looks like an ostrich? That's the limit of imagination?  Honestly, I think I rather choose ostrich. At least then I won't even try to pretend that's me. 

Obviously earlier I was refering to the statement someone made that FemHawke prouncing about and swaying her hips makes her "look like a woman", which still remains a silly and inaccurate statement.

[Avissel]

Lithuasil wrote...
But the staffs are at least at a size (if not always form) to be used for comfortable fighting. But I'm pretty sure, unless it's hollow, the very first great sword you start off with, weighs more then me.

Yes, but like I said. Show me any type of fighting staff that shoots little fire balls.
None of the weapon are realistic, It's a game.

[Lithuasil]

Avissel wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...
But the staffs are at least at a size (if not always form) to be used for comfortable fighting. But I'm pretty sure, unless it's hollow, the very first great sword you start off with, weighs more then me.

Yes, but like I said. Show me any type of fighting staff that shoots little fire balls.
None of the weapon are realistic, It's a game.

Said magic staffs only shoot lightning when they're worn by WIZARDS. The ski sized swords are supposed to be worn by normal people, as opposed to golems and ogres.

[Avissel]

aox_general wrote...
heh, so those are the only options? FemHawke looks the way she did or she looks like an ostrich? That's the limit of imagination?  Honestly, I think I rather choose ostrich. At least then I won't even try to pretend that's me. 

No, my point is not "Those are the only options" My point is that "if Hawke looks like a certain type of woman, then that means she looks like a woman," In order to say she doesn't look like a woman, she would need to look like something that is quite obviously not a woman

Said magic staffs only shoot lightning when they're worn by WIZARDS. The
ski sized swords are supposed to be worn by normal people, as opposed
to golems and ogres.

Actaully, if you make a warrior and give them enough magic skill to use a staff, doesn't it still use the magic shooting animation?

[SicoWolf-]

I do not want an ugly hero. Sorry. I also love her voice.

[The Angry One]

Avissel wrote...

Actaully, if you make a warrior and give them enough magic skill to use a staff, doesn't it still use the magic shooting animation?

Staffs have "restriction: mage" as well.

[TheAwesomologist]

I used to play female protagonists in most video games for the simple fact that 90% of any games is you just staring at your avatar's behind anyways. But that actually stopped with ME1 and DA:O. In ME1, and I know it's sacrilegious around here to say anything bad about Jennifer Hale, but I found the overly mannish tone to be a turn off. I imagine it's great for female gamers, I dunno. Either way I ended up playing a male Shepard and never looked back.

In DA:O I started the game by playing a female City Elf Rogue. After that awesome origin story I thought I was set... until I got to the end of the game. For whatever reason I couldn't convince Alistar to do the dirty deed AND I realized I was missing out on the Morrigan romance to begin with. I immediately started a second play through (Male Cousland - which has stronger in games ties anyways) and found the game much more enjoyable.

I enjoyed my Paragon Male Hawke Mage and later my Male Hawke Warrior. For my 3rd play through I thought I'd try a female Rogue. Well the run animation got ridiculous pretty quickly... Is that any way to run from darkspawn? The snarky lines were fine but if you tried to be aggressive it sounded fake, and if you tried to be good it was almost too sweet. Also the idle animation bugged me, she seemed like some teenager waiting at the mall standing around and not the roguish type.

There's no pleasing everyone, I know, but for me, FemHawke doesn't make the cut.

[Avissel]

The Angry One wrote...

Staffs have "restriction: mage" as well.

I could have sworn somebody posted about making a warrior with a staff....most have been using a mod or something to remove the restrictions, guess I just never noticed.

[Auroras]

I suppose for the next game they could redo the body models for warriors. Just use Aveline's model.

But there would be a lot of complaints, so...

[ejoslin]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

I have more problem with Male Mage Hawke. What do you need all those muscles for? To twirl a stick?

Why do all male characters in RPGs have perfectly developed musculature? This is a medieval fantasy - do they all work out in modern gyms or something? You know, it's impossible to separate those fine muscles on Male Hawke's arms/back unless he specifically exercise each piece of them, which he likely does NOT have the equipment for. Even if he could get as bulky from working on a farm, he won't get as refined and as proportional.

You realize that that is not true?  Look at art from medieval times and you'll see men with well-developed physiques.

Not that it's realistic for all men to have bodies like that, but certainly modern exercise facilities are not required for that type of physique.  What many people lose sight of, actually, is different body types develop differently. So many people think if we eat x and workout y we'll end up looking like z.  And that really is true only to a point.  I have four children with vastly different body types including one who is naturally muscular.  The naturally muscular child has those fine muscles on her arms, back, and even her abs and has since she was about 4 or 5.  It's not a matter of her being thin (three of my four children are thin, with one being fine boned and skinny, one being slim and broad shouldered, one being muscular, and then the other has the tendency to be heavy despite being extremely active and having a black belt ninjitsu), she also has very well defined muscles.

Hmmmm, anyway, I have no issue with the way the models look (well, Isabela is a little absurd).  It's the hip sway.  No one runs like that, not even in shorts, much less heavy armor.  Save the exaggerated sway for the walk, and have the run, while still being feminine, be a little less... sway!

Modifié par ejoslin, 06 avril 2011 - 04:20 .

[The Angry One]

At least it's not as bad as in World of Warcraft, few things are more ridiculous than watching a bunch of mega-muscled Fabios in skirts casting spells.

[Dasha Dreyson]

Halo Quea wrote...

And then there's Fem Hawke's size.   I'm sorry but she doesn't look like she could even hold a great sword, let alone swing it with any force and knock someone down with it.  Most of the weapons are bigger than she is!  All of the armors look so different on her, kind of like the way they looked on my Female Elven Warden in Origins.  Everything on her looked like it was made for a doll too.   The Armor of the Fallen (which looked great on my male Hawke) looks like a leather suit with straps and exposed shoulder pads.  The only armors that I've found for her that beef up her appearance is of course the Champion's armor, the Wall armor and it's many copies that I came up on later in the game.   But outside of those armors her physique is not in keeping with her character at all.  Just very very unconvincing as a warrior. 

As someone who collects swords, I can say that she wouldn't have problems holding a greatsword if she held it correctly. It is something she has been trained to do and she has had plenty of time to strengthen the muscle groups required. Also muscle density vs. size is partly determined by how you train, genetics (which to be honest Carver has big muscles so that goes against my arguement) and partly by nutrition. Along those same lines, Lady Hawke could have a lot of dense tissue and be quite a bit heavier than she looks. Honestly, I'd be sad if every female warrior in Dragon Age was written the same way (Rowan is more like what you descibe).

[sphinxess]

Altima Darkspells wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

You act as though the men in this game look like they could handle the two-handers. I'd say only the qunari qualify.

Well, I'd say one doesn't have to be a body-builder to have muscles, but then I remember that the guys pretty much are chiseled adonises when stripped naked.

Still, I've seen some guys in real life that would snap bodybuilders in half and they had pot-bellies.

Though the two-handers in DA2 are ridiculously large.

Strongest guy I ever met in real live was a still pretty fat guy who lost like 150 pounds - that extra weight really builds muscle

[The Angry One]

Judging by art is quite futile.
You only have to look at the golden sarcophagus masks of egyptian Pharoahs and compare them to the faces generated by computer imaging their mummified remains to see they're radically different.

[ejoslin]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Well, I admire how beautiful your children are, but that has at least something to do with modern nutrition. I am pretty sure that 99.999% of men in medieval times look nothing like medieval art. :-) We are talking about a time when continent-wide epidemics with >10% population reduction occur once every century or so, and pregnancy is the biggest cause of death for humanity above all else.

I mean, seriously, go to a developing country and take a look at the body types. A lot of physical laborer are muscular, sure, but their muscle compositions are peculiar to the type of movement they perform in their jobs. Nobody could grow all their mucles in equal perfect proportion like Male Hawke without careful nutrition and a well-rounded exercise regime, no matter how good their genes are.

Well, I did say it was unrealistic that all men have that physique; my point was that a modern gym is not needed for some people who are lucky to get that type of body.  Most people in our modern world don't have that type of physique either, after all; even athletes come in varying body types.  Even people who weight train will end up with different builds -- much of this is genetic.  I use my kids as an example just because they are four people with vastly different body types who all have the same basic diet and lifestyle.  It's a good rebuttal to people who think that diet + exercise = fixed results.  It would be nice, but it just isn't true.  

As far as nutrition and disease?  There's no indication that Hawke lived either in poverty or was phyiscally affected by disease.  Magic is a part of this world, and healing would go a long way in preventing the issues that you're referring to.

Anyway, this is very off topic at this point.  I still don't like the femHawke walk because it's way too exaggerated (it makes me laugh).  But I'm not going to expect a video game to have varying body types either -- that would be too much detail to hope for.

Modifié par ejoslin, 06 avril 2011 - 05:55 .

[The Angry One]

ejoslin wrote...

Anyway, this is very off topic at this point.  I still don't like the femHawke walk because it's way too exaggerated (it makes me laugh).  But I'm not going to expect a video game to have varying body types either -- that would be too much detail to hope for.

Saints Row 2 says hi.