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[DePhoegon]

Just to show you what I mean, I have a lvl 12 Rogue (hawke) with 26 talent points.  ....  I promise this is legit copy on a perfectly clean/unmodified PS3 and DA2 (Disc verision)

Rogue hawke - Profile page

Just to show, one of the biggest failures I've found, that I am positive ANY game tester would have found.  I'm not going to say the method, though it did take me awhile to confirm it.   This happend to me by shear accident, and keeps happening.  It's not something that gives that many points, it's litterally just 2 points extra a time, and it keeps happening.

Modifié par DePhoegon, 06 avril 2011 - 03:36 .

[SuicidalBaby]

you haven't used Maker's Sigh at all?

If you have, this is a known issue.

[Musou1776]

Yeah... I can tell you workaround if you want one.

[Ace Attorney]

Old OLD known issue.

[DePhoegon]

SuicidialBaby wrote...

you haven't used Maker's Sigh at all?

If you have, this is a known issue.

The issue isn't with the 'Maker's Sigh'  It's with not being a Dual weilding rogue.    It's rather unfair to not be expected to use this once or twice, assuming you want to go Bow *which is actually fun*   Since when ever you reload or load a save, and *for me* don't have 'laserate' or the twin daggers attack,  it puts them on you.     If they have a way to reset talent points *which works perfectly with the mages, and from what I've seen Warrior hawke*    I say the fail is in the Rogue talent tree, if you go up and easily use dual daggers to a poin *say getting laceration* then use bows and respect for it, then it starts to weird out.   This is a massive failure on BioWare or EA.   When this is the only class that has this issue, and it's only with Dual wield.    It wouldn't be hard to find with a decent game tester either.  

As I said Rogue Hawke breaks the level system.  With this 'error' being easy to reproduce and only happening under a few conditions[Load/Reload - Hawke only - Bow Hawke That use to be Dual-weilding],  The companies either added this *which wouldn't make any sense* or they totally failed on correcting a nice huge flaw.  

I've gotten use to using the 'Maker's Sigh' to correct the prespent points I truelly don't want spent there *hawke & NPC's*

I mean, it's not like Rogue Hawkes would chance their spec to try something new out, oh Wait.   
I mean, it's not like Rogue Hawkes would ever load / re-load for any reason, oh wait - achievements / bad luck battle / Resuming the game.
I mean, it's not like players have to look this up to know about it, Oh wait I found it by natural game play.
I mean, It's like way hard, complicated, time consuming, & risky to do. Oh wait it's simple, quick, easy, and risk free. (outside of breaking the game and being OP - Though .. 6130 Crit with maril in the party *used a curse*, vender bow, and assassination on a med armor target)

[Gaidren]

DePhoegon wrote...

SuicidialBaby wrote...

you haven't used Maker's Sigh at all?

If you have, this is a known issue.

The issue isn't with the 'Maker's Sigh'  It's with not being a Dual weilding rogue.   

No, it's an issue with Maker's Sigh.  The game bugs and gives you points back in abilities you didn't take after respec.  It isn't specific to rogues at all, my mage had the same bug.

Meh, I just avoided using the "free" abilities to make it fair.

[Ace Attorney]

It is an issue with Maker's Sigh. Fact, even confirmed by a Dev.

[A Forgotten Tome]

As others have said, known issue, you are not a special snowflake, it can happen with any class, there are workarounds.

[Feranel]

I restarted my game because I kept getting Battle Synergy for free, well, that and I got friendly with Isabella. I decided I wanted to rivaly romance her.

She teases me for being too nice now

[mokponobi]

Stash all your potions, buy the makers sigh, use it, retrieve your potions, no extra talent or spell. Please read the forum for workarounds first before ranting.

We all understand that bioware isn't perfect and there will be bugs in games.

btw. Start over, that particular game is fubared.

Sorry for your frustration.

Modifié par mokponobi, 06 avril 2011 - 03:29 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

If I accidentally get a few extra points from a bug in the game, I'm not going to start over or consider that save "fubared", if that's all that's "wrong".

[SuicidalBaby]

and respec for it, then it starts to weird out.

/thread

[corkey sweet]

if you only get 5 or 6 extra ability points it can be a good thing, now you don't need to buy any mortal vasel tombs cause you got the points for free

[Fruit of the Doom]

Bioware has gametesters? Really?

Damn, they must suck.

[psrugger]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Bioware has gametesters? Really?

Damn, they must suck.

I'm going to guess they hired them after Witch Hunt....I know, I know...it's a dead horse, but really...what the hell does a dead horse care if you beat it!?

[Amioran]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Bioware has gametesters? Really?

Damn, they must suck.

Do you know how many variables there are in testing games? Things as these are expected. Actually the most glaring and obvious bugs usually get unnoticed, just because when you beta-test you follow a sort of routine where you test a list of things, so, it is mechanical, while a player "test" things in all a different way.

If however you would just test the game with how a player "test" it you would have bugs having to do with engine/specific mechanics, and that would be even worser.

Modifié par Amioran, 07 avril 2011 - 06:57 .

[Zan Mura]

It pays to familiarize yourself with the random assortment for Wikias available for each game. The Maker's Sigh issue for instance is mentioned there.

Basically, the way it works is that when you use the respec potion, save, then load that save, a random number of talents from the ones you lost will reappear (note, these talents will include the ones you picked for the first time ever, before drinking your first respec potion... so even if you never pick up backstab again, it may still appear because you took it on your initial run). If you now use the potion again, it'll redeem those talents as extra talent points. The thing to be careful about here though, is that passive talents regained this way will induce a permanent negative modifier. I've come to abuse this bug rather happily after my first 2 playthroughs, gives access to new fun builds.

Also, every single time you use the respec potion on Varric, he gains an extra talent point. Without the save & reload trick even.

[DePhoegon]

Zan Mura wrote...

It pays to familiarize yourself with the random assortment for Wikias available for each game. The Maker's Sigh issue for instance is mentioned there.

Basically, the way it works is that when you use the respec potion, save, then load that save, a random number of talents from the ones you lost will reappear (note, these talents will include the ones you picked for the first time ever, before drinking your first respec potion... so even if you never pick up backstab again, it may still appear because you took it on your initial run). If you now use the potion again, it'll redeem those talents as extra talent points. The thing to be careful about here though, is that passive talents regained this way will induce a permanent negative modifier. I've come to abuse this bug rather happily after my first 2 playthroughs, gives access to new fun builds.

Also, every single time you use the respec potion on Varric, he gains an extra talent point. Without the save & reload trick even.

I have to say that it's never happen to varric with me. *shrugs*  Though  I what bothers me is I have use a more complicated work around for an issue that all it's intent will only make you OP.

Though I'll be sure to abuse this bug/glitch, on hard/nightmare playthough.       Though what I'm not sure about is, It only a hawke thing or is varric special or something?  

[Kelleth]

This explains alot... Thanks for the heads up, I was wondering where all those extra points were coming from.

[Killjoy Cutter]

I've never had this bug happen as far as I can tell.

Maybe it helps to now exactly what you're speccing for and not keep using the potion over and over and over...

[Tj14]

lol what a topic

do some research first before bashing into forums

[bunnies]

about that, anders has a similar bug, i'm surprised i never seen anyone mention it. Even if you dont get maker's sigh bug, even if you avoid it, with all precautions, he gets vengeance even if you specc out of it, after every cutscene when he goes glowing.
He puts it on in feynriel quest, and learns the skill + puts it on quickbar, if you get rid of it, the skill returns if he's present during the mage saving quest with templar hunters. There's one more occasion, but i can't recall it atm.
didnt wanna start another topic, since someone probably mentioned it before

[SuicidalBaby]

That is by design, it is not a bug. He doesnt gain the actual ability point till Dissent, his personal quest. So there is no "If he is present" condition applicable