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[xi ShadowWolf x]

Awwhhh poor merrill

[Furball34]

Nice to see others wanting Merrill dead too
Tho she's not the only NPC in DA2 I wanted dead.
Fortunately I get to execute one and the other I can
just ship off to some horrible place

Im impressed with Biorware's ability to make NPCs
I end up loathing, namely:

DA2
Merrill
Anders
Fenris
Sebastian

DA:O
Alistair(or whats its name)

ME1&2
Ashley
Kaiden

Kotor
Carth
Bastila

Tho none have annoyed me as much as Merrill did.
Now I just leave her in the shack in Low town and try very hard to forget she exists.

edit:
forgot that chantry zealot Seb.

Modifié par Furball34, 06 avril 2011 - 08:55 .

[GavrielKay]

Redneck1st wrote...

I couldn't agree more no one  forced the keeper to to take in the demon. She did it on her own. Heck the clan shouldn't of even still been there. If they had left long ago like they were suppose to have done than the clan and the keeper would still be alive. What were Marealith's reason for sticking around for so long? If anything Marealith is the one to blame for the destruction of the clan and her own death and not Merril.

How would it have been better for Merrill to end up an abomination while sitting in the middle of the alienage?  Geez, can you think of no-one else who might have been hurt if Merrill lost control?  Just because the Champion runs around killing demons for target practice doesn't mean that your average Kirkwaller would have been able to survive an encounter with Pride-Merrill.  The Keeper sticking around is irrelevant to me except that she did finally keep Merrill from setting the demon loose by fixing the mirror.

Merrill should have known that the Keeper might do something drastic.  She was supposed to be the first for her Keeper, true to her clan and anything they needed to survive.  The demon-mirror was her obsession and it cost her and her clan dearly before she realized it was hopeless.  I can't sympathize with that.

[Rifneno]

What I want to know is how the keeper (I admit it, I'm too lazy to find her name and copy and paste it) managed to contain it.  If you become an abomination, even if it's just to a measly rage demon then it takes over.  That's it.  But this woman released an ancient pride demon, a ridiculously powerful Fade entity, and just went about her day to day life like it was a sore knee.  Not to mention the wards holding it were extremely powerful.  How did she manage this?!

[Cyakura]

Rifneno wrote...

What I want to know is how the keeper (I admit it, I'm too lazy to find her name and copy and paste it) managed to contain it.  If you become an abomination, even if it's just to a measly rage demon then it takes over.  That's it.  But this woman released an ancient pride demon, a ridiculously powerful Fade entity, and just went about her day to day life like it was a sore knee.  Not to mention the wards holding it were extremely powerful.  How did she manage this?!

That part I think we should not try to break our heads around it, it was meant to be.

[Chiricahua]

Good! I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought Merrill extremely annoying. I have a co-worker in his 30s that also plays these games. I thought he had weird taste in women already and then when he said he picked Merrill as his romance interest, I just lost it. I said that she extremely annoys me because of her ignorance and she acts like she's 12. He disagreed. I didn't like that the only way to not kill all the Dalish is to say you're taking responsibility for this little blood mage horror child.

[Alikan]

Such Merril hate.

although in honesty i rather disliked her in DAII.

Just restarted DA:O as a dalish and there she is rather businesslike and seemingly competent.....the deal with the demon must have turned her goofy....

[Rifneno]

Chiricahua wrote...

Good! I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought Merrill extremely annoying. I have a co-worker in his 30s that also plays these games. I thought he had weird taste in women already and then when he said he picked Merrill as his romance interest, I just lost it. I said that she extremely annoys me because of her ignorance and she acts like she's 12. He disagreed. I didn't like that the only way to not kill all the Dalish is to say you're taking responsibility for this little blood mage horror child.

Why?  Because those morons deserve to be spared?  It's a mob of racist idiots willing to kill someone for... for... I don't even know what the hell they thought they were attacking for!  Removing that algae from the gene pool is doing Thedas a service.

As for Merrill, I think she just appeals to that "protect the damsel in distress" instinct in guys.

[Maria Caliban]

Chiricahua wrote...

...when he said he picked Merrill as his romance interest, I just lost it.

That's a healthy response to a *co-workers* pick of fictional romantic interest.

[Deified Data]

Merril gets more sympathy than she really deserves. Sure, she's cute, but she's willing to put the restoration of some useless trinket above the well-being of her clan and her companions. She never explains why it's so important. She's either hopelessly obsessed with something that doesn't matter or poorly written.

It's hard to love someone hopelessly intent on destroying themself. It's even harder when you know that she choose the eluvian before Hawke any day.

[TurianRenegade]

Why would anyone hate on Merrill? If anyone needs to be killed, it's Fenris....the guy's a tremendous ******.

[Maria Caliban]

Deified Data wrote...

Merril gets more sympathy than she really deserves. Sure, she's cute, but she's willing to put the restoration of some useless trinket above the well-being of her clan and her companions. She never explains why it's so important. She's either hopelessly obsessed with something that doesn't matter or poorly written.

It's hard to love someone hopelessly intent on destroying themself. It's even harder when you know that she choose the eluvian before Hawke any day.

Merrill gets about as much sympathy as she deserves.

Merrill has a self-destructive obsession. I agree that her interest in the eluvian is dangerous.

She reminds me of the characters from Requiem for a Dream, all of whom also get a great deal of sympathy from me. None of whom I consider 'cute.'

What I object to is people then claiming Merrill is responsible for the actions of Merethari or her clan. Merrill leaves the clan. She doesn't return to the demon until a period of time passes in which the clan should have left. She asks Hawke to accompany her and tells Hawke exactly what the danger is. You can say 'no' if you don't feel it's something your Hawke would do and Merrill will never venture to Sundermount.

If you do go, that's Merrill's companions accepting the danger of Merrill becoming an abomination and them having to fight her.

[Torax]

Merrill's fault is her obsession on the Mirror. Past that it's was a willingness to make deals with demons/spirits to fix it assuming the risk was always just her own. Everything else that happened was outside her hands. Marethari and her clan did the rest on their own. Can't fault her for that.

If you don't like how the Elves were modeled which also means how Merrill was modeled? That is one thing. Here is the important thing to point out, Isabela could probably be blamed for more deaths of innocents than you can ever claim of Merrill. In particular even just in Kirkwall. More people died to Qunari in the Invasion and over time even Isabela's own crew died to her stealing that book. Even if you slaughtered Merrill's entire clan it wouldn't amount to all the Guards & Citizens killed by the Qunari.

So if you want to bother killing Merrill? You better kill Isabela first. The blood on Merrill's hands is her own. Isabela's is littered with the blood of others that she tries to shrug off with a smile.

Modifié par Torax, 07 avril 2011 - 12:18 .

[hoorayforicecream]

Torax wrote...

Merrill's fault is her obsession on the Mirror. Past that it's was a willingness to make deals with demons/spirits to fix it assuming the risk was always just her own. Everything else that happened was outside her hands. Marethari and her clan did the rest on their own. Can't fault her for that.

If you don't like how the Elves were modeled which also means how Merrill was modeled? That is one thing. Here is the important thing to point out, Isabela could probably be blamed for more deaths of innocents than you can ever claim of Merrill. In particular even just in Kirkwall. More people died to Qunari in the Invasion and over time even Isabela's own crew died to her stealing that book. Even if you slaughtered Merrill's entire clan it wouldn't amount to all the Guards & Citizens killed by the Qunari.

So if you wan to bother killing Merrill? You better kill Isabela first. The blood on Merrill's hands is her own. Isabela's is littered with the blood of others that she tries to shrug off with a smile.

I'd put the blood on the hands of the Qunari doing the killing than on Isabela... Isabela brought the Qunari to Kirkwall, but that doesn't mean that Isabela forced the Qunari kill everyone. The Qunari forced the Qunari to kill everyone, and even the Arishok admitted that they'd return eventually to take Kirkwall, tome or no tome. Isabela's not completely free of blame, but I certainly wouldn't say she's responsible for the deaths of all the people in the Qunari attack.

[nijnij]

I killed Fenris and it felt awesome, although I didn't actually get to see him die because Isabela one-shot him quite spontaneously and... turns out he explodes too !

[Torax]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Torax wrote...

Merrill's fault is her obsession on the Mirror. Past that it's was a willingness to make deals with demons/spirits to fix it assuming the risk was always just her own. Everything else that happened was outside her hands. Marethari and her clan did the rest on their own. Can't fault her for that.

If you don't like how the Elves were modeled which also means how Merrill was modeled? That is one thing. Here is the important thing to point out, Isabela could probably be blamed for more deaths of innocents than you can ever claim of Merrill. In particular even just in Kirkwall. More people died to Qunari in the Invasion and over time even Isabela's own crew died to her stealing that book. Even if you slaughtered Merrill's entire clan it wouldn't amount to all the Guards & Citizens killed by the Qunari.

So if you wan to bother killing Merrill? You better kill Isabela first. The blood on Merrill's hands is her own. Isabela's is littered with the blood of others that she tries to shrug off with a smile.

I'd put the blood on the hands of the Qunari doing the killing than on Isabela... Isabela brought the Qunari to Kirkwall, but that doesn't mean that Isabela forced the Qunari kill everyone. The Qunari forced the Qunari to kill everyone, and even the Arishok admitted that they'd return eventually to take Kirkwall, tome or no tome. Isabela's not completely free of blame, but I certainly wouldn't say she's responsible for the deaths of all the people in the Qunari attack.

I'm just pointing out someone that could have prevented the deaths of so many a long time ago and in the end the one that caused it to all be there. She even lies to the player until it's thrown in front of you by Qunari what she stole. How she could have prevented and to a point was a cause and effect of all the death. Meanwhile assuming you don't kill the clan? Merrill just causes the Death of one person. Marethari. But she was just trying to protect Merrill.

So at least from that standpoint one is kind of worse.

Modifié par Torax, 07 avril 2011 - 12:24 .

[Deified Data]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Deified Data wrote...

Merril gets more sympathy than she really deserves. Sure, she's cute, but she's willing to put the restoration of some useless trinket above the well-being of her clan and her companions. She never explains why it's so important. She's either hopelessly obsessed with something that doesn't matter or poorly written.

It's hard to love someone hopelessly intent on destroying themself. It's even harder when you know that she choose the eluvian before Hawke any day.

Merrill gets about as much sympathy as she deserves.

Merrill has a self-destructive obsession. I agree that her interest in the eluvian is dangerous.

She reminds me of the characters from Requiem for a Dream, all of whom also get a great deal of sympathy from me. None of whom I consider 'cute.'

What I object to is people then claiming Merrill is responsible for the actions of Merethari or her clan. Merrill leaves the clan. She doesn't return to the demon until a period of time passes in which the clan should have left. She asks Hawke to accompany her and tells Hawke exactly what the danger is. You can say 'no' if you don't feel it's something your Hawke would do and Merrill will never venture to Sundermount.

If you do go, that's Merrill's companions accepting the danger of Merrill becoming an abomination and them having to fight her.

Fine, so long as you accept that if it came to choosing between Hawke and the eluian, she'd choose the latter. Why? Because she's damaged. I don't beliee she's evil, or that she needs to be put down. She needs help, is all I'm saying. Her priorities are all out of whack, and it doesn't make her appealling to me.

That wasn't always the case. I romanced her on my first playthrough because she was a cute elf chick with a quirky sense of humor - it wasn't until I finished her questline that I was left with some serious questions. Why pursue the eluian as she does? What does she inten to do with it once it's repaired? Again, I think some of this might be due to faulty writing. Merrill never gives a reason why the eluvian is so important. the player is just left guessing - it's hard to sympathize from that position.

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

Rifneno wrote...

What I want to know is how the keeper (I admit it, I'm too lazy to find her name and copy and paste it) managed to contain it. If you become an abomination, even if it's just to a measly rage demon then it takes over. That's it. But this woman released an ancient pride demon, a ridiculously powerful Fade entity, and just went about her day to day life like it was a sore knee. Not to mention the wards holding it were extremely powerful. How did she manage this?!

Well she certaintly did't have piles of lyrium lying around, so maybe she just took a dagger and-...
After all, Marethari was pretty knowledgeable about demons, yes?

Modifié par DamnThoseDisplayNames, 07 avril 2011 - 12:30 .

[hoorayforicecream]

Torax wrote...

I'm just pointing out someone that could have prevented the deaths of so many a long time ago and in the end the one that caused it to all be there. She even lies to the player until it's thrown in front of you by Qunari what she stole. How she could have prevented and to a point was a cause and effect of all the death. Meanwhile assuming you don't kill the clan? Merrill just causes the Death of one person. Marethari. But she was just trying to protect Merrill.

So at least from that standpoint one is kind of worse.

There wasn't any death (well, of the scale we're talking about anyway) when she ran off. She ran off before the Qunari attack, and plausibly didn't know about it at all, having left the city the day before the issue with the elves started the battle. Sure, she could have done something had she known that the Qunari were going to attack the city. But nobody knew that they were going to do that, since they hadn't done anything for 4 years.

Regardless, I find it a bit specious to blame Isabela for the Qunari's actions. They chose to attack Kirkwall because the Arishok couldn't stand the corruption of Kirkwall. Returning the tome would have, at best, only delayed the eventual invasion.

[noxsachi]

I hate Merrill and do wish you could hand her off to the Dalish for great justice, but outside of that just murdering her isn't that great. Although I also hate the Dalish...I really can't decide whats better during her quest, killing all the Dalish or being mean to her.
And yes my part for all of Merrill's quests is Fenris and Anders. Even the NPCs help me hate her.

[Cyakura]

Deified Data wrote...

Merril gets more sympathy than she really deserves. Sure, she's cute, but she's willing to put the restoration of some useless trinket above the well-being of her clan and her companions. She never explains why it's so important. She's either hopelessly obsessed with something that doesn't matter or poorly written.

It's hard to love someone hopelessly intent on destroying themself. It's even harder when you know that she choose the eluvian before Hawke any day.

I would not agree that it is poorly written, I think they made her exactly what she was meant to be.. an ignorant, selfish female (being extremely polite again) that would want to make players like myself want to slaughter her.

[Loc'n'lol]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Awww

[Icy Magebane]

That picture only makes me want to kill her more... (sigh) well, I've got a long way to go until the end of this run... better get on that.

[The Angry One]

[Loc'n'lol]

Deified Data wrote...

She never explains why it's so important. She's either hopelessly obsessed with something that doesn't matter or poorly written.

Well, I've been thinking about that and other claims like that, and I'm wondering if you were kind of supposed to read the character short stories to get real insight into each character's motivations... There are whole pats of their background that go unmentioned in conversation, so if you (the player) already know, it goes well, if not it probably feels awkward...