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[Shacary]

I would agree some characters I would LUV to slaughter or slap a good one... I really dont like isabela, this is like my 5ht playthru and the first where I could " tolerate her". I grew up around Army and construction workers, so I am surely no prude, but she is SOOO cliche , its like watching a bad comedy... totally missing the mark on me.
That being said, I can respect others do like her, but MAN i would totally luv to be able to slap some of the npcs. Like my sibling during an arguement... Merrill rarely, Isa OOO ya, even Anders and occassionally my favorite character in the game too [ Fenris }. someone will make this mod i hope once the toolset provided? ;p;

[AshenEndymion]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Torax wrote...

I'm just pointing out someone that could have prevented the deaths of so many a long time ago and in the end the one that caused it to all be there. She even lies to the player until it's thrown in front of you by Qunari what she stole. How she could have prevented and to a point was a cause and effect of all the death. Meanwhile assuming you don't kill the clan? Merrill just causes the Death of one person. Marethari. But she was just trying to protect Merrill.

So at least from that standpoint one is kind of worse.

There wasn't any death (well, of the scale we're talking about anyway) when she ran off. She ran off before the Qunari attack, and plausibly didn't know about it at all, having left the city the day before the issue with the elves started the battle. Sure, she could have done something had she known that the Qunari were going to attack the city. But nobody knew that they were going to do that, since they hadn't done anything for 4 years.

Regardless, I find it a bit specious to blame Isabela for the Qunari's actions. They chose to attack Kirkwall because the Arishok couldn't stand the corruption of Kirkwall. Returning the tome would have, at best, only delayed the eventual invasion.

The fact that the Arishok offers the duel, and they leave, after they get the book says that they probably wouldn't have attacked in the first place, but would have just left (if Isabella didn't run off with the book).

I think the point is that one cannot blame Merrill for Pol, Merithani, or the rest of her clan's deaths.  Nor can they blame Merrill for the theoretical deaths of those in the Alienage or Kirkwall in general due to her actions.  Not unless they also blame Isabella for the Qunari attacks (since if Isabella never went after that book the Qunari wouldn't have landed in Kirkwall, stayed there for 4 years, etc.).

Merrill is not responsible, directly, for a single death of a character.  Claiming she is indirectly responsible still gives her have less blood on her hands than any other companion save Varric and Aveline...

[Auroras]

The Angry One wrote...

Auroras wrote...

And for some reason, your 'don't you know' reminded me of Sarah Palin. D:

MY COVER IS BLO... I mean, a purely coincidental similarity I assure you.

-suspicious- I see.

-ninja rolls out of the scene- 

[dgcatanisiri]

Merrill wants to find and restore lost Dalish knowledge. The big thing with the Dalish in the world of Thedas is that they have lost their heritage, all of that knowledge, and that they want to recover it. Merrill was an apprentice to the Keeper, which meant it was going to be her job to do the same thing.

Merrill is very realistic about what she's trying to do - the Eluvian is a piece of their past, and even the bad should be remembered with the good. Does Marethari ever tell her specifically WHY the Eluvian should not be reassembled? No, just that it is an evil device and should be left to lie. If Marethari would explain more to her, she might back down from trying to recover it. But she doesn't. She never stops considering Merrill a child. I know that from a Keeper or an elder, the 'da'len' term is usually just an affectionate name, but from Marethari to Merrill, it sounds like she really considers Merrill to be a child.

Pol's death is because Marethari has let the idea of Merrill being an abomination sink into the clan. He dies because Marethari never steps in to counter the out of hand nature of the stories being told. Her response when told of Pol's death basically comes down to 'he died because of your blood magic, da'len,' which is a far greater refusal to take responsibility than Merril ever does.

Merrill takes precautions. She doesn't go running straight back to the demon but instead tries to fix things on her own, and then waits until the clan should have moved on. But they haven't because Marethari still wants to teach a lesson to Merrill. Merrill returns to the demon with her eyes wide open and brings Hawke with her in order to deal with her if the deal with the demon goes sour and instead, Marethari takes in the demon and forces Merrill to kill her. And then the clan, the tales of Merrill having snowballed amongst them over the years, won't listen when they come after Marethari and force Hawke and company to kill them.

Out of all the people involved in this, Marethari is the one most responsible for what happens, and frankly, it's hard for me to like her at all. Remember what happens when Merrill asks for the tool to fix the mirror? The deal is if they recover the amulets of the hunters, Marethari will give Merrill what she needs. Do the task and she gives the tool to HAWKE, saying that she hopes that Hawke won't give it to Merrill. That was twisting the bargain in the hopes that it would still result in Merrill not getting the mirror fixed. When she does that, no matter how I feel about Merrill's quest, I automatically want to give Merrill the tool.

Frankly, the direct responsibility for the death of the clan is on Marethari's shoulders, not Merrill's.

[Torax]

Actually giving the tool to hawke makes it much easier to Rival with Merrill cause she is too easy to please.

[kaiki01]

Ryzaki wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote...

@Ryzaki: Is that actually true? Have you seen it? Some wild rumor about killing Isabela turned out to be fruitless... so... is this a fact or something you heard?

Yes I did it myself. 

As long as her rivalry/friendship is low enough (which is easy enough to do) you can side with the templars and she will stand against you. Then you can cut her down (later on during the quest). 

Isabela has plot shield. She can't be killed. 

Curse Isabelas plot shield >_< She is the one companion I wish to slaughter!!!

[ThePasserby]

Merrill is a blood mage who summons demons as a matter of course. When we first met her, the way to the altar was barred by a magical barrier. The Keeper must know it was there, and she had sent Merrill to accompany us, which implies that the barrier was something that can be dispelled without the use of demons, since the Keeper was against such magic. But Merrill summoned a demon anyway. She is a mage who is playing with things she cannot control (she's seduced by demons in the fade).

So, in short, she's useful in combat,  from a meta-gaming point of view, but I dislike her for role play reasons.

[ThePasserby]

kaiki01 wrote...

Curse Isabelas plot shield >_< She is the one companion I wish to slaughter!!!

Hopefully, this means she'll appear in future DLCs or Expansions. Awakenings brought back the only companion that cannot be killed or driven off - Oghren.

[The Spirit of Dance]

i would kill everyone in my party except Merrill, Aveline, Varric and Bethany.

[sphinxess]

ThePasserby wrote...

Merrill is a blood mage who summons demons as a matter of course. When we first met her, the way to the altar was barred by a magical barrier. The Keeper must know it was there, and she had sent Merrill to accompany us, which implies that the barrier was something that can be dispelled without the use of demons, since the Keeper was against such magic. But Merrill summoned a demon anyway. She is a mage who is playing with things she cannot control (she's seduced by demons in the fade).

So, in short, she's useful in combat,  from a meta-gaming point of view, but I dislike her for role play reasons.

She did? all I saw was she slashed her wrist and used the blood to lower the barrier.

[ThePasserby]

sphinxess wrote...

ThePasserby wrote...

Merrill is a blood mage who summons demons as a matter of course. When we first met her, the way to the altar was barred by a magical barrier. The Keeper must know it was there, and she had sent Merrill to accompany us, which implies that the barrier was something that can be dispelled without the use of demons, since the Keeper was against such magic. But Merrill summoned a demon anyway. She is a mage who is playing with things she cannot control (she's seduced by demons in the fade).

So, in short, she's useful in combat,  from a meta-gaming point of view, but I dislike her for role play reasons.

She did? all I saw was she slashed her wrist and used the blood to lower the barrier.

Your companions will comment that Merrill summoned a demon to dispell the barrier. I think it was Bethany.

[The Angry One]

ThePasserby wrote...

sphinxess wrote...

ThePasserby wrote...

Merrill is a blood mage who summons demons as a matter of course. When we first met her, the way to the altar was barred by a magical barrier. The Keeper must know it was there, and she had sent Merrill to accompany us, which implies that the barrier was something that can be dispelled without the use of demons, since the Keeper was against such magic. But Merrill summoned a demon anyway. She is a mage who is playing with things she cannot control (she's seduced by demons in the fade).

So, in short, she's useful in combat,  from a meta-gaming point of view, but I dislike her for role play reasons.

She did? all I saw was she slashed her wrist and used the blood to lower the barrier.

Your companions will comment that Merrill summoned a demon to dispell the barrier. I think it was Bethany.

And Fenris, and red option Hawke. Merril will admit it too.
Though the visuals don't show anything.

[AshenEndymion]

The Angry One wrote...

ThePasserby wrote...

sphinxess wrote...

ThePasserby wrote...

Merrill is a blood mage who summons demons as a matter of course. When we first met her, the way to the altar was barred by a magical barrier. The Keeper must know it was there, and she had sent Merrill to accompany us, which implies that the barrier was something that can be dispelled without the use of demons, since the Keeper was against such magic. But Merrill summoned a demon anyway. She is a mage who is playing with things she cannot control (she's seduced by demons in the fade).

So, in short, she's useful in combat,  from a meta-gaming point of view, but I dislike her for role play reasons.

She did? all I saw was she slashed her wrist and used the blood to lower the barrier.

Your companions will comment that Merrill summoned a demon to dispell the barrier. I think it was Bethany.

And Fenris, and red option Hawke. Merril will admit it too.
Though the visuals don't show anything.

... I thought the conversations were about how Merrill "summoned a demon" to learn the blood magic she used to drop the barrier....

Not that she summoned a demon to drop the barrier.

[The Angry One]

AshenEndemion wrote...

... I thought the conversations were about how Merrill "summoned a demon" to learn the blood magic she used to drop the barrier....

Not that she summoned a demon to drop the barrier.

You don't need to consort with a demon to learn blood magic, nor do you usually summon it (more likely you'd go in the fade and learn there).

[ThePasserby]

AshenEndemion wrote...

... I thought the conversations were about how Merrill "summoned a demon" to learn the blood magic she used to drop the barrier....

Not that she summoned a demon to drop the barrier.

That's not what I get from what the companions said. It seems to me that they saw the demon, and called her out for it. The cutscene doesn't show the demon, though.

[AshenEndymion]

The Angry One wrote...

AshenEndemion wrote...

... I thought the conversations were about how Merrill "summoned a demon" to learn the blood magic she used to drop the barrier....

Not that she summoned a demon to drop the barrier.

You don't need to consort with a demon to learn blood magic, nor do you usually summon it (more likely you'd go in the fade and learn there).

One doesn't need to, no.  But Merrill learned blood magic from the pride demon.  That's what was said (because she used blood magic to purify the shard).  (I put "summoned a demon" in quotes because that's the phrase everyone was using...)

I don't recall anything in the conversation after she drops the barrier about any demon other than the one she says she learned blood magic from.  Because she specifically says that the barrier came down because she used blood magic to make it disappate.

Edit: And all the companions were like "oh, damnit!  You can only learn blood magic from demons!" Especially Anders....

Modifié par AshenEndemion, 07 avril 2011 - 05:15 .

[The Angry One]

Merril says something to the effect of "Yes I summoned the demon, but it helped us didn't it?"
Sounds more to me like she's saying she summoned it just then and it helped, rather than she summoned it sometime before, it taught her blood magic and that helped.

[AshenEndymion]

Spirit... but yes that's what she says.
And I don't take it that way, because we don't see a spirit or demon summoned. I see it as though she's talking about the thing that taught her blood magic (since we all know she didn't learn it from Marithani)

[dreadpiratesnugglecakes]

Cyakura wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Cyakura wrote...

I have never so far sided with templers cause of the great in justice that is doneto poor mage. well, I did once and hated myself for it. I kill Feneris many times cause of his ignorance. I do not kill Anders because Chantry supports slavery of mages. Sacrifices of Chantry preiests is as much fun to me as will be killing Merrill. But will have to foce myself to make a mage ( so that there is no Betheny) and side with templers just to get the UTMOST satisfaction of killing Merrill and I will practise to make it slow and as much painfull as possible.

So you want to kill Merrill for being a Blood Mage. Yet you have been unwilling to kill that bunch of Blood Mages in the Gallows?

Oh so all mages are guilty of blood magic? That is just as stating that all humanity needs to be enslaved and/or slaughtered cause there are criminals among humans:)

All humanity used to be enslaved..under mages.  Remember the Tevinter Imperium?  Remember how Andraste freed the slaves from the Mages?  The reason for the creation of the chantry?  The reason why mages are kept in circles so they won't go out and abuse people with their powers?  I know you're enjoying strutting around with your absolute moral authority weeping big blue tears about the poor oppressed mages but you need to review your history of Thedas.  Mages are kept under wraps for a reason; yes, the Kirkwall circle needs a Templar intervention but mages aren't some poor innocent oppressed minority.  They have the power to hurt hundreds of people...each of them.  They are under constant temptation to dark forces, which makes them even more dangerous.  Look at the destruction Uldred caused in DAO..and that was just in the confines of the Tower.  Imagine what he could have done in Denerim.  Mages should not be abused but you're not going to find a lot of people in Thedas who think they should be free.  All they have to do is look at the Tevinter Imperium and remember what it used to be like. 

[TheBlackBaron]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Oh jeebus.

Merrill is the Tali of Dragon Age.
Just when i thought i was safe

The Merrill fandom has not reached the darkest depths of the Tali-ban. Not yet, anyway. 

Should try and keep it that way. I already have to majorly distance myself from that lot. 

[HeavyTankZA]

i'd like to slaughter Anders, mr emo mage get's a bit much...

[Merced652]

/signed

i'd like to kill them all except varric and your sibling. But then i'd make myself suffer through more horrible retcons later.

[Cyakura]

supremebloodwolf wrote...

i would kill everyone in my party except Merrill, Aveline, Varric and Bethany.

LOL I am sure you would, just by looking at your forum portrait pic: