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[Russalka]

Demonhoopa wrote...
On the other hand, I guess it couldn't hurt to have an "off" button for those that aren't .....uh......skillful enough to properly negotiate the dialogue options.

Would that not be offensive?
It does not matter whether it would be made for all sexualities, the reasons for it would ALWAYS be because some people can't handle the homosexuality.

And I have not seen any gay gamers make any serious posts about how they are appalled by the heterosexual content.

Modifié par Russalka, 06 avril 2011 - 09:08 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

MrTijger wrote...
Uh...homophobes are not tolerant and you are not either. You do not tolerate the Anders line, apparently, so who is intolerant here? I assume you looked it up yourself.
While you're at it, look up civil rights for another example of why having a majority does not give you special rights.

I love the way the fanatics accuze anybody who doesn't stand with them of homophobia, bigotry, racism, or just about anything. Its pathetic.

[Cutlass Jack]

"The purpose of all life is to live, reproduce, and die."

I can't help but notice playing video games isn't on that list. Congratulations. We're all defective.

[Pacifien]

I might have mentioned once in this thread that this wasn't the forum to be having a discussion about how homosexuality works in our world and to keep the discussion about Dragon Age. That warning utterly failed, so I'll try it again. And then probably get irate if I'm ignored again.

[Jademoon121]

Russalka wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...
On the other hand, I guess it couldn't hurt to have an "off" button for those that aren't .....uh......skillful enough to properly negotiate the dialogue options.

Would that not be offensive?
It does not matter whether it would be made for all sexualities, the reasons for it would ALWAYS be because some people can't handle the homosexuality.

And I have not seen any gay gamers make any serious posts about how they are appalled by the heterosexual content.

Strange on how gay guys and girls don't normally freak out when they see guy on girl love....

[Warheadz]

Schurge wrote...

That is not what I meant to imply. What I was saying is that heterosexuals who don't support the behavior can't say anything because homosexuals (the minority) are untouchable.

I agree that some groups often have this magical immunity when discussing something just because they are a minority, but that still doesn't change the thing that at least I haven't heard a single good argument against homosexuality in general or why it shouldn't be in games/media.

There isn't a single reason why we shouldn't let people do people of the same sex as them. In the age in which we can build bombs which can kill millions of people and we can transfer organs from a body to another, we are way past the point of talking about something as unnatural and therefore bad.
And you might believe that God exists, but that's your opinion. Don't drag others into it.
And I don't think the issue of human race dying out because all the men are doing each other and women are in the bed together isn't imminent, we can forget about that too.
And believe me, this sick world has things that need attention way more than homosexuality.

We can't even discuss it until someone gives a decent argument against it, other than God forbids it or that its unnatural.


And anyways, a lot of people are just hypocrites. Most guys have watched lesbian porn and thought there was nothing wrong with it.

Modifié par Warheadz, 06 avril 2011 - 09:12 .

[randName]

@Demonhoopa: :smug: yes, people are too easily offended.

fchopin wrote...

I am beginning to agree with the person who said that reading posts about DA2 is more fun than actually playing the game.

It really is, and welcome to the joy of posting ~

Pacifien wrote...

I might have mentioned once in this
thread that this wasn't the forum to be having a discussion about how
homosexuality works in our world and to keep the discussion about Dragon
Age. That warning utterly failed, so I'll try it again. And then
probably get irate if I'm ignored again.

Sorry about that, I'll edit in a clause about DA right now ~ promise.

Modifié par randName, 06 avril 2011 - 09:12 .

[Schurge]

MrTijger wrote...

Schurge wrote...

That is not what I meant to imply. What I was saying is that heterosexuals who don't support the behavior can't say anything because homosexuals (the minority) are untouchable.

However, I do think it is fair to say that homosexuality is not supported by the majority in at least the cases of America, and the world as a whole. Look up the word tolerance.

Oh? Have you been banned? Hindered in posting? So...you can say whatever you want but you get a rebuttal. Perhaps you're being a bit...dramatic?

Uh...homophobes are not tolerant and you are not either. You do not tolerate the Anders line, apparently, so who is intolerant here? I assume you looked it up yourself.
While you're at it, look up civil rights for another example of why having a majority does not give you special rights.

Actually, in the case of DAII, without out of game knowledge I would not have known either Anders or Fenris were gay. My beef with the way homosexuality was treated in DAII has always been that they were all bi-sexual and I support them making a purely homosexual companion which sends a completely different message than what making them all bi-sexual sent.

Nice way to turn around what I have to say. You think not supporting a behavior is intolerant. I was pointing out that tolerance does not require support. It does not require that I set around and say nothing when I sit and read page after page of others being belittled and written off because they don't share as cavalier an attitute as some of you about sex.

And no, I haven't been banned for saying anything about homosexuals, but it is reasonable to assume that I could get in trouble for expressing my views, hell, look at the uproar they have caused even though I believe they were non-inflamatory compared to alot of what I've read in here coming from the pro-homosexual camp.

Cutlass Jack wrote...

"The purpose of all life is to live, reproduce, and die."
I can't help but notice playing video games isn't on that list. Congratulations. We're all defective. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png

Actually, I am a little embarrassed to be a gamer and I don't like being called one. It has fostered laziness in me that has encouraged me to let down others and gameing is basically a crutch I use for dealing with being bi-polar. It would definently be to my benefit to stop playing games!

Modifié par Schurge, 06 avril 2011 - 09:15 .

[Jademoon121]

Regardless, if there's any reason to be disgusted by Anders, it's for his fanaticism and being possessed by a demon; not where he hits on the radar or how he does it.

[Demonhoopa]

I hear banjo music........"squeal like a pig" 

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 06 avril 2011 - 09:15 .

[Zkyire]

Jademoon121 wrote...

Regardless, if there's any reason to be disgusted by Anders, it's for his fanaticism and being possessed by a demon; not where he hits on the radar or how he does it.

After what Anders does, yeah.

Apparantly that doesn't matter, but his sexual orientation does.

Kinda messed up priorities.

[Heavensrun]

MrTijger wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

I agree with most of his statements. I am also struck by seeing that most of the "oh noez, gayness" comes from men. I'm a straight female, and f/f (or m/m) does not interest me, personally, in the least. Whatever floats your boat, actually. I can't play a lesbian, because I am not able to keep my eyes (and my PC's hands) off the males.

However, I'm not in the slightest bit offended by Isabela's innuendo about "back-watching" and her subsequent proposition to femHawke. Acutally, I find it quite funny.

I have yet to find any thread where a straight female goes all out complaining about being hit on by a bi-female in a game.

Thats the difference between women and boys

No, I'm fairly certain that's the genitals.

[Jademoon121]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

Regardless, if there's any reason to be disgusted by Anders, it's for his fanaticism and being possessed by a demon; not where he hits on the radar or how he does it.

After what Anders does, yeah.

Apparantly that doesn't matter, but his sexual orientation does.

Kinda messed up priorities.

Yeah, I hated his constant rambling and hatred of Templars, always bringing it up and always whinning about it, and even I'm a mage-sympathizer. I made the mistake of having him be my first romance. To be fair, he's got a soft-spot for the weak and sick....and cats.

[Warheadz]

Demonhoopa wrote...

I hear banjo music........"squeal like a pig" 

It never happened to me, but I really think many people are really overreacting. Hard to believe that Fenris and Anders did something like this to Hawke, and now people want to sue Bioware....

...Or maybe Bioware employees secretly hide the fact that they were raped by them too and suffer in silence.

[Valcutio]

ReconTeam wrote...

MrTijger wrote...
Uh...homophobes are not tolerant and you are not either. You do not tolerate the Anders line, apparently, so who is intolerant here? I assume you looked it up yourself.
While you're at it, look up civil rights for another example of why having a majority does not give you special rights.

I love the way the fanatics accuze anybody who doesn't stand with them of homophobia, bigotry, racism, or just about anything. Its pathetic.

It's funny that the vast majority of people that use that term have no idea what it means. It's like they think it's comparable to racism. It's a quick way to identify people that lack intelligence.

Dragon Age 2's sales are low. I'm not going to say that the only reason is the overwhelming homosexual content but I think it's clear that it's part of it.

Dragon Age: Origins handled romances well. There was one gay guy and it fit his character very well. I liked Zevran. Anders was never gay in Awakening and by forcing the change, the DA2 team contributed to destroying the character. I don't care if Obama, Chuck Norris and Brad Pitt all came out in favor of Anders. It doesn't change the fact that Anders was a MUCH better character in Awakening.

[AlanC9]

casa de morte wrote...
Kind of like how bioware ignored all the core fans

Not all, if you don't mind. I'm pretty much a core fan, and I wasn't upset by what Bio tried to do with DA2.

[Schurge]

Pacifien wrote...

I might have mentioned once in this thread that this wasn't the forum to be having a discussion about how homosexuality works in our world and to keep the discussion about Dragon Age. That warning utterly failed, so I'll try it again. And then probably get irate if I'm ignored again.

You shouldn't allow these threads then, let alone put homosexuality into your game when it is such a controversial and complex issue in real life that has a prominent place in the political arena.

Knowingly or not Bioware took a stand when they made all the companions that were allowed to have sex bisexual.

[Russalka]

Valcutio wrote...
Dragon Age: Origins handled romances well. There was one gay guy and it fit his character very well. I liked Zevran. Anders was never gay in Awakening and by forcing the change, the DA2 team contributed to destroying the character. I don't care if Obama, Chuck Norris and Brad Pitt all came out in favor of Anders. It doesn't change the fact that Anders was a MUCH better character in Awakening.

How can a sexuality fit a character? Either you create a character who is bisexual or you don't.

There was a change with Anders, yes, but he really was shallow in Awakening. Justice stirred many things, changing him. What he did not find necessary to express beforehand, he does now.

[randName]

AlanC9 wrote...

casa de morte wrote...
Kind of like how bioware ignored all the core fans

Not all, if you don't mind. I'm pretty much a core fan, and I wasn't upset by what Bio tried to do with DA2.

I love it when people makes claims like casa de morte did, for one there are plenty of old core fans who love DA2, I don't, but then ~

[MrTijger]

Valcutio wrote...

Dragon Age 2's sales are low. I'm not going to say that the only reason is the overwhelming homosexual content but I think it's clear that it's part of it.

.

You do know that DA 2 sold a million copies faster than DAO, yes?

Guess that homosexual content is to blame

Oh..btw...in my playthroughs Anders isnt gay at all.

Modifié par MrTijger, 06 avril 2011 - 09:41 .

[randName]

Schurge wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

I might have mentioned once in this thread that this wasn't the forum to be having a discussion about how homosexuality works in our world and to keep the discussion about Dragon Age. That warning utterly failed, so I'll try it again. And then probably get irate if I'm ignored again.

You shouldn't allow these threads then, let alone put homosexuality into your game when it is such a controversial and complex issue in real life that has a prominent place in the political arena.

Knowingly or not Bioware took a stand when they made all the companions that were allowed to have sex bisexual.

DA isn't real life, in Thedas maybe 75% of the population are bisexual, maybe every is.

There are good reasons why grenades like religion, abortion and sexual orientation isn't allowed on most official forums, since they are grenades, and they normally create flame wars which makes moderating them, and keeping the community at peace a task that I'm certain Pacifien and the rest doesn't want.

The game on the other hand is not made so that we can talk about it on the forums, the forums are made so we can talk about the games, but sometimes you have to do sacrifices, and for the peace of mind of those that doesn't care about issues like these making rules against real world topics is normally best.

& Official forums for games are normally more ardent than these, and here the moderators let slip far more poletics and ethical discussions than what I've seen at forums like EVE-Online, despite the laters claim to maturity.

But in the end it doesn't matter, since these forums are a bonus to you, and to the devs, but not a nessesity, and there is no reason why the forums have to be able to tackle any of the issues brought up in the game, at all.

And we are allowed to talk about this complex topic in relation to DA and Thedas, that isn't Terra at all, and not real, with gods and lore that changes at the whims of its creators.

Thus what is normal here doesn't make a whole lot sense to use as an argument for Thedas at all.

Modifié par randName, 06 avril 2011 - 09:48 .

[Seifz]

ReconTeam wrote...

MrTijger wrote...
Uh...homophobes are not tolerant and you are not either. You do not tolerate the Anders line, apparently, so who is intolerant here? I assume you looked it up yourself.
While you're at it, look up civil rights for another example of why having a majority does not give you special rights.

I love the way the fanatics accuze anybody who doesn't stand with them of homophobia, bigotry, racism, or just about anything. Its pathetic.

It's funny that the vast majority of people that use that term have no idea what it means. It's like they think it's comparable to racism. It's a quick way to identify people that lack intelligence.

But it is comparable to racism.  In both cases, you're discriminating against someone because of a trait that they have no control over.  I'm pretty sure that we had a topic about this that went on for more than 100 pages.  We really don't need to do it again, I think.

Dragon Age 2's sales are low. I'm not going to say that the only reason is the overwhelming homosexual content but I think it's clear that it's part of it.

You have no evidence to support this claim.  Also, DA2 is selling faster than DA:O did.

Dragon Age: Origins handled romances well.

No, it didn't.  The romances in DA:O were shallow, had almost no affect on the story, and were clearly designed with sex as the main goal.  Indeed, you even got achievements for having sex with each companion.  Worse, the sex scenes weren't even any good since the characters all wore underclothes!

Anders was never gay in Awakening and by forcing the change, the DA2 team contributed to destroying the character. I don't care if Obama, Chuck Norris and Brad Pitt all came out in favor of Anders. It doesn't change the fact that Anders was a MUCH better character in Awakening.

Anders never mentioned his sexuality in Awakening.  Indeed, there were no romance plots in Awakening at all.  You only assumed that he was straight because he didn't hit on you.  You were wrong.

Modifié par Seifz, 06 avril 2011 - 09:42 .

[Schurge]

ReconTeam wrote...

I love the way the fanatics accuze anybody who doesn't stand with them of homophobia, bigotry, racism, or just about anything. Its pathetic.

Those words have new definitions these days.

Homophobia now means you simply don't support the behavior.

Racism now means that you don't see skin color, of all things. If you don't notice that someone is black, or you don't take it into account, you are racist!

Bigotry now means you have an opinion.

Modifié par Schurge, 06 avril 2011 - 09:43 .

[Russalka]

Why continue being off-topic?

Modifié par Russalka, 06 avril 2011 - 09:45 .