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[Ealos]

In 7:84 human and qunari delegates met in Llomerryn (home of Welsh piracy) and signed a peace treaty. 150 years later the qunari launch an (in the eyes of any human) unprovoked attack on a Free March city, commanded by no less a figure than the commander in chief of all qunari military. The Llomerryn Accord has been categorically violated.
Does anything happen in the game to suggest that this has any effect on the political situation? I would have thought that humanity would be somewhat... unsettled by this, particularly Marchers, Antivans and Rivainis. Seemed to be forgotten with things moving on to the mage issue (with the exception of a mention of Tevinter sniggering at Qunaris). Also, do you think that it will have repercussions in DA3?

[Tripedius]

I didn't think the Arishok was the cic of all the Qunari. He was high ranked, but not the highest. Also Qunari delegates we're killed unprovoked, that would have been the first act of war. So the humans broke the treaty first.
And yes, I think the whole point would be to have it have repercussions in DA3. DA3 will probably have the same themes (qunariwar, mage- templar war) as DA2.

[Ealos]

Good point with delegates, slipped my mind for some reason. Still surprised there was no talk of it in third act. The Arishok is the cic of the Qunari, leader of the army as the Arigena leads the craftsmen and the Ariqun leads the priesthood.

[Augustei]

Ealos wrote...

In 7:84 human and qunari delegates met in Llomerryn (home of Welsh piracy) and signed a peace treaty. 150 years later the qunari launch an (in the eyes of any human) unprovoked attack on a Free March city, commanded by no less a figure than the commander in chief of all qunari military. The Llomerryn Accord has been categorically violated.
Does anything happen in the game to suggest that this has any effect on the political situation? I would have thought that humanity would be somewhat... unsettled by this, particularly Marchers, Antivans and Rivainis. Seemed to be forgotten with things moving on to the mage issue (with the exception of a mention of Tevinter sniggering at Qunaris). Also, do you think that it will have repercussions in DA3?

The accord was broken before the Qunari attack by the andrastian nations.. It just was never recognised by the Qunari. Once in Kirkwall and one in Rivain when they killed a large number of converts to the Qun, Another when members of the chantry in Kirkwall were kidnapping and killing both Qunari soldiers and Qunari converts.. The Qunari never broke the accord ammusingly since they dont care for a piece of paper the humans place value on when the Qunari place no value or have a view of any significance on it.

So yeah, the Qunari didn't really break the broken accord

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 06 avril 2011 - 09:00 .

[Ealos]

Good points! Thanks, suppose I was thinking of it as a territorial thing, as far as I know there have been no attacks on Qunari-dom, but I suppose that any converts to the Qun would be regarded by them as part of "Qunari-dom", so that would probably "count", as it were.

[Conduit0]

I don't really see the Qunari doing anything. The person responsible for the death of the delegates was dealt with, so vengence was metered out. The Arishok attempting to conquer the city was acting outside the demands of the Qun, so its entirely possible that the Qun will see his death as his own failure and not an insult that needs to be answered.
As for humans using it as an excuse to start a war, I doubt it, they'll have their hands full with the mage war.

[greyman33]

The accord was never really a treaty in the first place. It was a piece of paper that the Qunari signed because that was what it took to get the Exalted March to stop killing massive numbers of civilians. The Arishok admits it holds no meaning for the Qunari. They stopped fighting because of the toll the war was taking on non-combatants, and when they feel the time is right to 'educate' this part of Thedas they will begin marching again.

As far as reprisals, you'd think that in the three years following the aborted Qunari takeover of Kirkwall there would have been some action or mobilization at least prepared. Maybe political maneuvering prevented it (clearly the mage-templar war and the internal problems in the Chantry could delay things after the three year mark). Kirkwall, after all, was an independent city-state. It's possible that the other nations looked at what was happening, noticed it was confined to just that one city, and ignored it.

On the Qunari side of the boarder, it's hard to say how much their government would even know. As far as anyone knows there have been few, if any, ships to or from Par Valon to the Qunari homelands. And even locally, there would probably be no response. Remember, the Qunari in Kirkwall were bound to remain until the book could be recovered. Those who were not killed in the military action may still be camped out somewhere close, still hoping to find and recover their holy relic. It is entirely possible that nobody ever relayed news of what happened to Par Valon, even after three years.

Just speculation mind you.

[EmperorSahlertz]

It will probably only have repercussions if you kill the Arishok. If the Arishok leaves in peace the Qunari have no real reason for war... Yet anyway..

[Ealos]

To be honest, it was more shifts in human politics that I was wondering about, I assumed that the Arishok's death would not be resented by the Qunari - he was defeated by a worthy opponent in pursuit of his duty. More that I'd have thought that the Marchers would be more than a little worried by the attack on a city-state.

[Cutlass Jack]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

It will probably only have repercussions if you kill the Arishok. If the Arishok leaves in peace the Qunari have no real reason for war... Yet anyway..

Yet the Arishok makes it quite plain in that instance that he'll be returning to finish the job.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

It will probably only have repercussions if you kill the Arishok. If the Arishok leaves in peace the Qunari have no real reason for war... Yet anyway..

Yet the Arishok makes it quite plain in that instance that he'll be returning to finish the job.

Indeed. But even Sten did that back in DA:O. With the Arishok still alive, he may have been appeased to wait a while longer. With his death the Qunari state may crave for vengeance. Who knows?

[Ealos]

Heh, Qunari will always be back. "Just going out for some shopping dear BUT WE WILL RETURN TO CONQUER YOU ALL, don't wait up".

[Cutlass Jack]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Indeed. But even Sten did that back in DA:O. With the Arishok still alive, he may have been appeased to wait a while longer. With his death the Qunari state may crave for vengeance. Who knows?

Depends. I think if you went the Duel option and the rest of the Qunari leave, that the risk is minimal. The Arishok called a duel, they would honor the results of it.

If the 'full battle' option is picked, there would be no survivors left to say what happened, so the risk would be greater.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 06 avril 2011 - 02:08 .

[The Angry One]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Indeed. But even Sten did that back in DA:O. With the Arishok still alive, he may have been appeased to wait a while longer. With his death the Qunari state may crave for vengeance. Who knows?

Depends. I think if you went the Duel option and the rest of the Qunari leave, that the risk is minimal. The Arishok called a duel, they would honor the results of it.

If the 'full battle' option is picked, there would be no survivors left to say what happened, so the risk would be greater.

Whether he lives or dies, the Arishok never returns.
I have a personal theory that the Arigena and Ariqun had this incompetent moron sent out on a task they knew he'd fail at deliberately in order to replace him.

Modifié par The Angry One, 06 avril 2011 - 02:07 .

[Draco856]

But his failure or success depends wholly on Hawkes relationship with Isabella. If she returns, his mission is complete and the Qunari can return to Par Vollen.

[Beerfish]

The Angry One wrote...



Whether he lives or dies, the Arishok never returns.
I have a personal theory that the Arigena and Ariqun had this incompetent moron sent out on a task they knew he'd fail at deliberately in order to replace him.

Good thing the Qun have a place assigne for incompetant morons they could slot the Arishok into.

As for the accord.  One would have to get a copy of it and have a look all that it entails before saying who broke what part of the deal.  Both sides did some pretty nasty things to each other in Kirkwall.  After finding out that the Arishok lied about why he was there and then the following attack it could be argued that the Qunari came as a miltary force and just waited for the right time to strike.

[The Angry One]

Draco856 wrote...

But his failure or success depends wholly on Hawkes relationship with Isabella. If she returns, his mission is complete and the Qunari can return to Par Vollen.

Nope. If Isabela is handed over to the Arishok, she later escapes and takes the book with her.
No book, no return to Par Vollen ever.