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[aftohsix]

"Gay Agenda"

Where a video game character hits on you and makes you gay.

This is the stupidest thing I've ever read. Ever.

[LyndseyCousland]

markusprime wrote...

Call me a homophobe I care not. Its disgusting, you ruined Anders, and DA2 in the process. Let me guess SW:TOR is going to be full of gay on gay wookies and ewok. As a straight person this is a disturbing and a disgusting. You lost alot of "core" fans with this. Im sure you gained some special intrest groups though. Im done, goodbye.

Please, oh please, tell me you are a troll?

[Seena]

markusprime wrote...

[Call me a hating intolerent bigot]   I care not. Its disgusting, you ruined Anders, and DA2 in the process. Let me guess SW:TOR is going to be full of gay on gay wookies and ewok. As a straight person this is a disturbing and a disgusting. You lost alot of "core" fans with this. Im sure you gained some special intrest groups though. Im done, goodbye.

There, fixed.

Oh and don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

[bluuberg]

Russalka wrote...

blue.o7 wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Just imagine Anders and Hawke sweaty in each other's arms. It is just so beautiful.

So very beautiful, what is there to complain about?

Fenris, too.

How coudl I forget Fenris, the elf with the golden voice! For shame.
Also that picture is so fun ^^

[Rykoth]

Just think, if this game had come out 30 or so years ago.

"OMG, Isabela has dark skin. You're pushing the darkie agenda!"

Or just think, if it had been several hundred years ago.

"OMG, Merrill has a Welsh Accent! Sebastian has a Scottish Accent! Most elves are Irish! You're pushing the Welsh/Irish/Scottish immigrant agenda!"

... I don't have any sympathy for people raised a certain way. it's called re-educate yourself, or gtfo.

[Satyricon331]

aftohsix wrote...
"Gay Agenda"

Where a video game character hits on you and makes you gay.

This is the stupidest thing I've ever read. Ever.

these games are making me gay, haha
these games are making me gay, hoho hehe haha
in the m-m way
where they give sausages all the time
and I'll be happy to see
those nice young men
on those big, sharp screens
and these games are making me gay

Modifié par Satyricon331, 06 avril 2011 - 11:58 .

[Knightly_BW]

Finnigan McBonk wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

AshiraShepard wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...
You'd be surprised at the amount of free will and rational thought that is utterly stripped from a person simply because mummy told them otherwise when they were young.

Or brutally beat them for playing with girly toys (when little) or doing something not "rated M for Manly." Like enjoying dancing.

Well, yes, exactly.  It's even more sad that a person would impose their views on a child through violence - most likely leading to that child doing the same to their children one day...

I don't have children, but if I ever do, I intend to encourage them as much as possible, to discover things for themselves and make up their own minds about the larger issues in the world and universe.

Oh.... how we try to do that with our kids. <3

And then... invevitably, in come some random neighborhood kids imposing their parents' views through heckling, bullying... ridicule, etc. Ain't life grand? 

True. I tend to not look back as my school years have many terrible memories in that issue. Not bullied physically but being ridiculed harm person's self confidence very bad.

Of course I more hated when some of those guys who ridicule you in public comes around alone and ask you for more intimate times...

As a gay guy I wouldn't want my children (which having one is out of question but anything is possible in life) or any children to be gay. I don't believe in/trust  people that much. Everything is fine when you become an adult but those childhood days always be a nightmare haunting me from time to time, it breaks my heart just to imagine that any other child could suffer same fate. Humans not ready for gay children yet. Hope things will change.

[PlumPaul93]

Rykoth wrote...

Just think, if this game had come out 30 or so years ago.

"OMG, Isabela has dark skin. You're pushing the darkie agenda!"

Or just think, if it had been several hundred years ago.

"OMG, Merrill has a Welsh Accent! Sebastian has a Scottish Accent! Most elves are Irish! You're pushing the Welsh/Irish/Scottish immigrant agenda!"

... I don't have any sympathy for people raised a certain way. it's called re-educate yourself, or gtfo.

Yeah because homosexuals are as ridiculed and hated as black people in the mid 1900's

[Seena]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

*shrug*

It all essentially boils down to:

A person is nothing more than a product of their environment.

If you are raised in a homophobic family/community, then you will likely be homophobic.

If you are raised in a religious family/community, then you will likely be religious.

You'd be surprised at the amount of free will and rational thought that is utterly stripped from a person simply because mummy told them otherwise when they were young.

This isn't necessarily the case.  Many youth today were raised by parents intolerant of homosexuality - yet we just had a repeal of the "don't ask don't tell" policy.    Also far more youth (18-29) support gay marriage than their parents...    http://thesocietypag...-age-and-state/


I do agree that being raised a certain way will predispose you to continuing with said way, but it isn't necessarily a sure thing.   )

[bluuberg]

Seena wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

*shrug*

It all essentially boils down to:

A person is nothing more than a product of their environment.

If you are raised in a homophobic family/community, then you will likely be homophobic.

If you are raised in a religious family/community, then you will likely be religious.

You'd be surprised at the amount of free will and rational thought that is utterly stripped from a person simply because mummy told them otherwise when they were young.

This isn't necessarily the case.  Many youth today were raised by parents intolerant of homosexuality - yet we just had a repeal of the "don't ask don't tell" policy.    Also far more youth (18-29) support gay marriage than their parents...    http://thesocietypag...-age-and-state/


I do agree that being raised a certain way will predispose you to continuing with said way, but it isn't necessarily a sure thing.   )

Very much so, my parents are as religious as they come yet none of us kids could be bothered with it. So there is always hope for the younger generation to see through it all and come out better for it.

[Satyricon331]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Rykoth wrote...

Just think, if this game had come out 30 or so years ago.

"OMG, Isabela has dark skin. You're pushing the darkie agenda!"

Or just think, if it had been several hundred years ago.

"OMG, Merrill has a Welsh Accent! Sebastian has a Scottish Accent! Most elves are Irish! You're pushing the Welsh/Irish/Scottish immigrant agenda!"

... I don't have any sympathy for people raised a certain way. it's called re-educate yourself, or gtfo.

Yeah because homosexuals are as ridiculed and hated as black people in the mid 1900's

The quantity of violent discrimination is relevent only if you think minorities need it to earn respect and rights, in which case you don't really believe in legal rights at all.

[LyndseyCousland]

I, uh, think it's dangerous to compare one group's discrimination to anothers. Let's not allow anyone to get into a 'we deserve more sympathy than youuuu' discussion.

[Seena]

BobSmith101 wrote...

It depends where you are from. Came across some documentry on BBC last night about Uganda introducing the death penalty for being gay. I don't really care what people get upto in private, but I fully understand people not wanting it forced on them in their entertainment mediums for whatever reasons (social,political,religious,personal).

Just in case anyone thinks I was making up the Uganda thing.

http://www.guardian....entence-gay-sex

Nothing is being "forced".  Don't like the same sex flirting? - don't click on the heart.

Can't possibly refrain yourself from clicking on the heart?

Don't buy the game.

It really is that simple.

[Satyricon331]

LyndseyCousland wrote...

I, uh, think it's dangerous to compare one group's discrimination to anothers. Let's not allow anyone to get into a 'we deserve more sympathy than youuuu' discussion.

That's exactly my point.  The issue is the existence of the discrimination, not how its particulars compare.

[PlumPaul93]

Satyricon331 wrote...

LyndseyCousland wrote...

I, uh, think it's dangerous to compare one group's discrimination to anothers. Let's not allow anyone to get into a 'we deserve more sympathy than youuuu' discussion.

That's exactly my point.  The issue is the existence of the discrimination, not how its particulars compare.

And my point was comparing the two was really really stupid

Modifié par PlumPaul82393, 06 avril 2011 - 12:11 .

[DJBare]

Why bother with a game pushing the gay agenda, the homophobes do a good enough job with these threads.

Can we now get back to the game....oh wait.

[LyndseyCousland]

My bad! I'm sleepy.

[QwibQwib]

Not this again.....

[Satyricon331]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Satyricon331 wrote...

LyndseyCousland wrote...

I, uh, think it's dangerous to compare one group's discrimination to anothers. Let's not allow anyone to get into a 'we deserve more sympathy than youuuu' discussion.

That's exactly my point.  The issue is the existence of the discrimination, not how its particulars compare.

And my point was saying comparing the two was really really stupid

No, he highlighted how someone who discriminates is a bigot regardless of the particular group.  You raised a particular point of comparison.  

[randName]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Rykoth wrote...

Just think, if this game had come out 30 or so years ago.

"OMG, Isabela has dark skin. You're pushing the darkie agenda!"

Or just think, if it had been several hundred years ago.

"OMG, Merrill has a Welsh Accent! Sebastian has a Scottish Accent! Most elves are Irish! You're pushing the Welsh/Irish/Scottish immigrant agenda!"

... I don't have any sympathy for people raised a certain way. it's called re-educate yourself, or gtfo.

Yeah because homosexuals are as ridiculed and hated as black people in the mid 1900's

Given that in some countries they execute people on the grounds of homosexuality you could argue that in some senses its worse.

At least here in Sweden, when I was growing up, the person most likely to be beaten up on the street was a gay guy around 20 years of age, I'm certain a gay arabic guy at the age of 20 with pom-poms would be more likely to be beaten up, but still.

& you could compare the 1980s (not 1950, 1981 to be precise) and say that black people in movies or on TV caused a stir, and partly they did, or MTV and Michael Jackson was a good example from the time. & At the time most of the civil liberties were in place for black people, and had been for some time in many places. Many of which are not in place concerning Homosexuals today.

So in many regards it was a very apt comparison to black poeple in 1981.

Modifié par randName, 06 avril 2011 - 12:18 .

[Seena]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

In most countries that are regarded to have a high standard of human rights, people are free to believe whatever they like, as long as it doesn't infringe upon other's beliefs.

That means: 'Homophobes' as you put it, are entitled to their belief. Just because you don't share it does not give you right to insult them, nor them the right to insult you because you are pro-gay.

The same applies to being religious or not, etc.

The TC clearly has not done the socially acceptable thing here, but you shouldn't all lower yourself to the same level by throwing childish insults his way.

The tone of a post - sets the tone for it's replies.

There are ways to say you have issues with dialogue options that aren't so likely to elicit  viceral responses.  Very few here have been able to master those ways.

[Sabriana]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Well of course, I appreciate, even though I don't have children, that in the end, they are heavily influenced by other children at their school, their teachers, mentors, or more or less anybody they have interactions with.

But there are plenty of parents out there who deliberately influence their children in certain ways when they are young and impressionable - not because society demands it (e.g. don't become a serial killer), but simply because it suits the parents, or agrees with their personal beliefs.

(e.g. I am religious, I believe X, therefore I will make my child believe X, and treat him/her as a blasphemer/demon if they do not comply, or I am homophobic, I will beat my child physically if they do anything even remotely linked to being 'gay' in my mind like a boy liking pink).

DISCLAIMER: The above examples certainly do NOT represent all parents who are religious/homophobic - and are not meant to. But they are definately representative of some.

I agree there too. It is hard to counter peer pressure and other outside influences, but if a child knows that those closest to her/him is fine with their choices, they have a support network they can count on.

Peer pressure is crushing at times, especially in the teenie ages, but if a child has a strong sense of self, those pressures are somewhat alleviated. I also never, ever brought out the often used: "you are/like/prefer/etc what? What will the neighbors think!!" to my kids.

The irrational fear of outside influences is what drives homophobia to a great extend. My kids pediatrician is gay. What did I have to listen to from a "well meaning" neighbor? "Oh dear, aren't you afraid he'll turn your son gay?" What kind of mind-set is that? And yes, I do believe that this was learned behavior on her side. When I told her that both my children are members of the straight/gay alliance she visibly paled, lol. I guess being homosexual is

a) bad
learned/forced upon people

in her (and plenty of others' mind) and that's just plain wrong. If either (or both) of my kids realized that they are homosexual, I would be a-okay with that. My door, arms, and ears are always open for them. My only problem with them being sexually active would be the plethora of STD's around, and that would apply for hetero- and homosexual activities.

Modifié par Sabriana, 06 avril 2011 - 12:19 .

[Zmajc]

Male, straight here. I wasn't raised in a homophobic way nor do i have anything against gay people or object their liberties in any way. I do however find male on male scenes and males hitting on me repulsive. If someone male grabbed my ass i wouldn't see it as a compliment but would bash their face in instead. It's just how it is i can't change that and it has nothing to do with me being sexually insecure i know what i find sexually attractive and unattractive.

I don't object gay content if only there was a gay romance toggle in game play settings. If they can have a violence/gore toggle i see no reason why not for this. It would be a win-win situation for everyone.

[Ashira Shepard]

ReiSilver wrote...

you know what this thread needs?
more dancing men
Here you go OP, enjoy~

CaramellDansen... OUR ARMIES SHALL OVERRUN THE EARTH.

[PlumPaul93]

Zmajc wrote...

Male, straight here. I wasn't raised in a homophobic way nor do i have anything against gay people or object their liberties in any way. I do however find male on male scenes and males hitting on me repulsive. If someone male grabbed my ass i wouldn't see it as a compliment but would bash their face in instead. It's just how it is i can't change that and it has nothing to do with me being sexually insecure i know what i find sexually attractive and unattractive.

I don't object gay content if only there was a gay romance toggle in game play settings. If they can have a violence/gore toggle i see no reason why not for this. It would be a win-win situation for everyone.

this is a good response but be prepared for idiotic "We want no straight romance button" responses