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Why is the Right of Annulment massacre instead of Tranquility?


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#51
fluffyamoeba

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Maria Caliban wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Circle tower, 2nd floor, 4 tranquils are trapped and become possessed during the fight.
If you kill everything quick enough a few might survive.

I believe that's another point where gameplay and story diverge. Much like in DA 2, how abominations don't need a host at all but sometimes are simply summoned.


Most of the waves of enemies in DA2 appear out of thin air, so I'm not sure this even means that they were summoned.

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raymonddhj

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The right of tranquility cannot be that secretive b/c I made elf traquil during my mage-hating-mage play through

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You know what any intelligent mage would do under these circumstances? Kill a templar. Take said templar's armor. Barricade self in closet. When the cavalry arrives, pound on the door until they let you out. Cry for your mommy. When they take you out of there and kick you out of the templar order because you might have been possessed, make a big stink about how this isn't fair and you worked so hard to become a knight blah de blah de blah. Then head for the hills while trying desperately not to giggle like a giddy schoolgirl.

Oh, and make sure your phylactery was destroyed before you attempt this.

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The chant teaches you these things if you read the lost scrolls:

The only good mage is a dead mage. Thus spake the maker to Andraste. - From the Canticle of Merideth, book 1 chapter 3.

Thou shalt kill the mages, both guilty and seemingly innocent, to protect you from what they may become. - The Old Testament of Cullen - Book 1 chapter 1.

Now the Cullen book is considered OLD testament as opposed to the more modern book of Cullen which contradicts this one. I believe this is because he was subjected to blood magic and/or it is heretical writing (the New Testament of Cullen).

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I do wonder what happens to a Templar or Templars, if anything, if he/they take/s matters into his/their own hands. Obviously, if the order is given, the order is given, and if it's clear that it's a Blood Mage or Abomination, you cut off the head and all that jazz. But has there ever been an overzealous Templar, and if so, I wonder if the Chantry punishes it, and how.

RazorrX wrote...

The chant teaches you these things if you read the lost scrolls:

The only good mage is a dead mage. Thus spake the maker to Andraste. - From the Canticle of Merideth, book 1 chapter 3.

Thou shalt kill the mages, both guilty and seemingly innocent, to protect you from what they may become. - The Old Testament of Cullen - Book 1 chapter 1.

Now the Cullen book is considered OLD testament as opposed to the more modern book of Cullen which contradicts this one. I believe this is because he was subjected to blood magic and/or it is heretical writing (the New Testament of Cullen).


LOL. XD

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PsychoBlonde wrote...

You know what any intelligent mage would do under these circumstances? Kill a templar. Take said templar's armor. Barricade self in closet. When the cavalry arrives, pound on the door until they let you out. Cry for your mommy. When they take you out of there and kick you out of the templar order because you might have been possessed, make a big stink about how this isn't fair and you worked so hard to become a knight blah de blah de blah. Then head for the hills while trying desperately not to giggle like a giddy schoolgirl.

Oh, and make sure your phylactery was destroyed before you attempt this.

Except that if you are a Templar, being found in a tower during the annulment, namely a Templar the annulling Templars don't recognize, they are probably going to kill you, just to be on the safe side.

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David Gaider wrote...

The issue is this:

By the time the Right of Annulment is invoked, the tower in question has moved beyond the possibility of mages being brought under control enough that Tranquility would even be possible. It's possible some mages might survive the initial assault, but the order cannot be "take any prisoners you can" simply because by that point a mage might have been corrupted and become a blood mage... something which cannot be detected under normal circumstances. Thus capturing them becomes a means for them to escape the quarantine.

So therefore the order is "kill everyone". At the end of the day, if any mages are still alive for whatever reason... then, yes, I imagine they could theroretically be made Tranquil as opposed to executed outright.


Can you tell us what happens in the Kirkwall case?

I presume that Cullen becomes acting Knight-Commander.  Does he rescind the Right of Annulment?  Are the surviving mages made Tranquil? What happens to the apprentices in the Circle (some are brought into the Circle at an extremely young age.)

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Paeyne wrote...

Can you tell us what happens in the Kirkwall case?

I presume that Cullen becomes acting Knight-Commander.  Does he rescind the Right of Annulment?  Are the surviving mages made Tranquil? What happens to the apprentices in the Circle (some are brought into the Circle at an extremely young age.)


Varric only mentions "many survivors" in the ending where Hawke sides with the mages... so it doesn't look too good for the Circle of Kirkwall.

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Paeyne wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

The issue is this:

By the time the Right of Annulment is invoked, the tower in question has moved beyond the possibility of mages being brought under control enough that Tranquility would even be possible. It's possible some mages might survive the initial assault, but the order cannot be "take any prisoners you can" simply because by that point a mage might have been corrupted and become a blood mage... something which cannot be detected under normal circumstances. Thus capturing them becomes a means for them to escape the quarantine.

So therefore the order is "kill everyone". At the end of the day, if any mages are still alive for whatever reason... then, yes, I imagine they could theroretically be made Tranquil as opposed to executed outright.


Can you tell us what happens in the Kirkwall case?

I presume that Cullen becomes acting Knight-Commander.  Does he rescind the Right of Annulment?  Are the surviving mages made Tranquil? What happens to the apprentices in the Circle (some are brought into the Circle at an extremely young age.)


If Hawke supported the mages I assume the remaining Templars went into lockdown while the mages fled the city. They sure didn't look like they wanted to face Hawke.

If Hawke supported the Templars its acting Knight-Commander Cullens' decision to continue with the Right of Annulment <or he might get in a heated argument with a senior chantry sister over who has the authority>