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[Darth Krytie]

I firmly believe that the Idol didn't make Meredith think the way she did. She'd be a zealot regardless. But, if it weren't for the Idol, you'd be able to kill her with the Murder Knife and everyone would be whinging that the last fight was boring and over in two seconds.

It didn't create anything in her that wasn't already there, anyhow. All it did was magnify it a little.

[Avissel]

The Angry One wrote...
He was in Soul Calibur 4. Because.. um... just because I guess. There was some plot about it.. didn't pay attention.

Was it even set on Earth? I thought Soul Calibur was just in some generic setting.

[The Angry One]

Avissel wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
He was in Soul Calibur 4. Because.. um... just because I guess. There was some plot about it.. didn't pay attention.

Was it even set on Earth? I thought Soul Calibur was just in some generic setting.

16th century Earth.

[Avissel]

The Angry One wrote...

16th century Earth.

Then I suppose you win this round >_>

[Oloria]

Yes, I've also wondered about the purpose of the idol and what, if any, value it had added as a plot device (other than to provide RP reasons to make Meredith into a tougher boss fight). It does seem a little out of place in a story mostly driven by socio political issues.

The only thing I can think of is that the idol helps to tie in Hawke to the events that transpire at the end of Act 3. One of Cassandra's conversations with Varric seems to imply that the "legend" of Hawke circulating tells the (false) tale that Hawke knew all along where the idol was, what its effects were, and perhaps even deliberately let it fall into templar hands in the hope that it would heighten the templar-mage conflict in Kirkwall.

Given Hawke's connection to Anders (regardless of whether he/she supported him or not), people must be speculating (if not already pretty convinced), that Hawke wanted and planned to bring about the war that follows at the end of DA2. The fact that Hawke discovered the idol that ultimately fed Meredith's paranoia to the point of madness possibly adds evidence to Hawke's motives for starting a revolution.

[Curlain]

Zippy72 wrote...

Red Kryptonite did it.

Meredith's Kryptonian?!

This explains how she did that flying thing in the final battle...

This explains things, she must be connected with the Star Metal baby in Origins, which means Zod can only be around the corner 

[The Angry One]

Curlain wrote...

Zippy72 wrote...

Red Kryptonite did it.

Meredith's Kryptonian?!

This explains how she did that flying thing in the final battle...

This explains things, she must be connected with the Star Metal baby in Origins, which means Zod can only be around the corner 

Zod: KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!

Qunari: No.

[TheRealJayDee]

The Angry One wrote...

It IS Soul Edge. Morrigan travelled to Earth through the mirror and stole Soul Edge from Darth Vader. This is why it sounds like a lightsaber.

Thanks for clearing that up, now the ending starts making sense!

[PirateT138]

Because it's a forced, bad story after Act II. It made zero sense, as did her inexplicable ability to leap small buildings in a single bound. I was unaware lyrium (of any sort, even if it is kind of the omni-gel of DA) turned you into a super-hero.

[Sordel]

Avissel wrote...

Sordel wrote...

Yes, it's a hole in the plot. Act III is actually very thin: there are too few quests to really understand Orsino or Meredith, and at the end it seems that Bioware were provided to use a silly device to explain that Meredith was maaaad instead of showing how she had got to the idea that all mages must be tranquillised (which, on the evidence, is a highly rational belief).

It's not a plot hole. It's a plot device.

Meredith was already a hard ass and suspicious of the mages, the Idol just amplified her paranoia.

You're right, plot device is a better description. I still think that it's a bad plot device though.Ugly weapon model as well.

[Massakkolia]

The saddest thing about the idol plot device was that it destroyed a potentially intriguing antagonist. Meredith could have been as complex of a character as Loghain was but now all we got was a crazed woman who wasn't fully responsible for her actions. Meeting Meredith earlier in the game and witnessing her descend into zealotry would have been brilliant. The whole idol business just seemed so cheap and cliché.

[Morroian]

Taura-Tierno wrote...

But the problem with the mages started in Act 1, according to Varric. That's when things started getting worse, and that was before the idol was discovered. So, Meredith was already on the same track before she was influenced. The idol just pushed her further along.

I was a bit disappointed in that, though. It would have been nice if Meredith had simply been a really, really zealous and fanatically crazy villain in a human fashion, without supernatural causes.

I can see why they did something of the sort, although it obviously could have been done better. Without some sort of plot device Meredith would hardly be a boss type battle and indeed without a plot device its difficult to see Meredith being so bad that Hawke is in the right despite her clear despotic tendencies pre-idol. I guess they could have had something like her resorting to blood magic but in the end the result is similar and would be more repetitive.

Even in using such a plot device it should have been developed better, like the Arishok was developed, they probably wanted surprise but surprise is not necessarily a good thing.

Modifié par Morroian, 07 avril 2011 - 12:53 .

[88mphSlayer]

basically the idol justifies the crazy final boss fight with walking statues, there was going to be persecution on mages after anders blew up the chantry regardless of any idol