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[Dominus]

ey', leave mah pixie box out of dis mista sigar!

[Moondoggie]

Seagloom wrote...

Of games I personally played? Cybermorph on the Jaguar. I remember buying that console early in its life cycle, playing that game, and feeling a palpable sense of regret. I could tell I made a mistake buying the console, and there was no way to take it back. Fortunately a few games such as Aliens vs Predator and the awesome that is Tempest 2000 made up for it later. I played tons of bad games. (Many on the Jaguar in fact. Kasumi Ninja anyone? Gah! ) Only Cybermorph made me feel like a worse person for having tried it.

"Where did you learn to fly?"

[Horus Blackheart]

Moondoggie wrote...

Seagloom wrote...

Of games I personally played? Cybermorph on the Jaguar. I remember buying that console early in its life cycle, playing that game, and feeling a palpable sense of regret. I could tell I made a mistake buying the console, and there was no way to take it back. Fortunately a few games such as Aliens vs Predator and the awesome that is Tempest 2000 made up for it later. I played tons of bad games. (Many on the Jaguar in fact. Kasumi Ninja anyone? Gah! ) Only Cybermorph made me feel like a worse person for having tried it.

"Where did you learn to fly?"

Yes I saw the angry videogame nerds review of  Cybermorph  and i LOLed.
sonic freeriders is abismal on that level so is fable 3

[Sable Phoenix]

Hmm.  Okay, games I wish had never been made in order of release date.

MechWarrior 4.  Oh goodness.  MechWarrior 2 was a smash hit, and releases under the MechWarrior 2 title (Ghost Bear's Legacy and Mercenaries) all improved upon the previous titles in the series.  MechWarrior 3 lacked the replay value due to a weak storyline but was technically superior and overall a respectable evolution of the game series.

Then Microsoft got their hands on MechWarrior 4 and decided to completely abandon any pretense of adhering to the Battletech universe in all but the most superficial manner, whether you're looking at the canon BattleTech storyline, the construction of mechs and the difference between standard Battlemechs and Omnimechs, heck they even changed the weights and functions of the weapons themselves.  It was a disaster, and combined with MechCommander 2 and the lamentable X-Box release Mech Assault, Microsoft effectively killed any future Battletech computer games.  I hate Microsoft.

KOTOR 2.  Taking the game out of hands of BioWare was the first mistake, resulting in a darker and more depressing rendering of the Star Wars universe than we've ever seen, and one which pretty much ignores how the Force works.  The second was LucasArts' pressure to release it ahead of schedule.  It was buggy as all get out, completely unbalanced, and the story had no resolution at all thanks to the rushed ending.  Overall a stunning disappointment after the stellar KOTOR.

Dragon Age 2.  When compared to its predecessor, this game isn't even worthy of the name "Dragon Age".  Rushed production (this time under pressure from EA) once again resulted in a buggy, weak-storied release with, amazingly, inferior graphics to the first game.  But the problems extend farther than that, since the game was made not for the people who loved the first game, but those who hated it.  Senseless changes to the art style in an attempt to subject the established look and feel to the "Rule of Cool", ridiculous changes to the combat for the same reason, incredibly dumb-downed quest and equipment structure and lack of interactivity with the party members all fly in the face of the spiritual return to classic RPGs that the first Dragon Age represented.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 07 avril 2011 - 12:53 .

[Maverick827]

Turnip Root wrote...

World of Warcraft-The game reinforces a lot of negative stereotypes about gamers

I don't see how this is anywhere near true. Wold of Warcraft's playerbase is comprised predominately by "normal" people who would otherwise think lowly of games and gamers if they were not now one themselves.

If anything, by incorporating these people into the gaming community, it only serves to break down the negative stereotypes about gamers.

[Seagloom]

Turnip Root wrote...

Yeah the Jaguar has got to be one of the worst consoles ever made.  My older brother owned one and he actually traded his Neo Geo for it. 
I remember when I saw Cybermorph my first impression was that it was like Starfox for the Super NES except it was boring.
The 3DO was expensive as hell and a commercial failure but at least it was graphically pretty powerful for it's time.  The Jaguar was barely more powerful than the Super Nintendo it seemed even though it did get a pretty good port of Doom.

I enjoyed three games on it. Tempest 2000 was my favorite. Aliens vs Predator was decent. Doom was also spiffy. I found the lack of music during levels disappointing, but derived many hours out entertainment of it. I got rid of my Jaguar before Rayman released. I bought that for Playstation later.

The 3DO was a much better console. I bought one used and had no regrets at all. The store I bought it from threw in Star Control II. Wonderful, wonderful game. Over time I picked up Flashback, Out of This World, Wing Commander III, Gex, Super Wing Commander, Yu Yu Hakusho, Slam 'N Jam, Alone in the Dark, and Road Rash. Not all those games were excellent, but I enjoyed them. I eventually traded up to a Playstation when it was obvious the console was being abandoned. It was fun while it lasted, though. The Jaguar was just a mess.

Moondoggie wrote...

"Where did you learn to fly?"

I hated that disembodied talking head. Damned Cybermorph.

Modifié par Seagloom, 07 avril 2011 - 01:01 .

[Seagloom]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

KOTOR 2.  Taking the game out of hands of BioWare was the first mistake, resulting in a darker and more depressing rendering of the Star Wars universe than we've ever seen, and one which pretty much ignores how the Force works.

I thought that was one of the few things KotOR2 did right? At least I recall reading something about the writers taking the hole in the Force stuff from expanded universe material.

[Sable Phoenix]

Seagloom wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

KOTOR 2.  Taking the game out of hands of BioWare was the first mistake, resulting in a darker and more depressing rendering of the Star Wars universe than we've ever seen, and one which pretty much ignores how the Force works.

I thought that was one of the few things KotOR2 did right? At least I recall reading something about the writers taking the hole in the Force stuff from expanded universe material.

An awful lot of the EU material ignores the movies too.  So no, I don't think that's something that KOTOR 2 did right.  The game did pretty much nothing right.

One of the best things KOTOR accomplished was setting the story far away from the movies, while still remaining completely true to them.

[TheMufflon]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

An awful lot of the EU material ignores the movies too.

To be fair, even the movies ignore the movies.

One of the best things KOTOR accomplished was setting the story far away from the movies, while still remaining completely true to them.

If you by "the movies" mean the three prequels, then yes. Otherwise: not even close.

Modifié par TheMufflon, 07 avril 2011 - 01:13 .

[Sable Phoenix]

TheMufflon wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

One of the best things KOTOR accomplished was setting the story far away from the movies, while still remaining completely true to them.

If you by "the movies" mean the three prequels, then yes. Otherwise: not even close.

If by the three prequels, you mean episodes IV, V, and VI, then yes.  Filtered through the d20 system, of course, which I've never been a fan of.  Nevertheless it managed to look and, more importantly, feel just like the 1977-1983 Star Wars movies.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 07 avril 2011 - 01:18 .

[TheMufflon]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

If by the three prequels, you mean episodes IV, V, and VI, then yes.  Filtered through the d20 system, of course, which I've never been a fan of.  Nevertheless it managed to look and, more importantly, feel just like the 1977-1983 Star Wars movies.

KotOR, like pretty much every Star Wars product after the original trilogy (or, some would argue, after Empire) just takes all the things that were superficially "cool" in the Star Wars movies (like lightsabers and Darth Vader) and copy-pastes them all over the place, seemingly without realizing that this ruins what was cool about it in the first place: their extraordinariness.

Suddenly every sith has a red lighsaber and a name that starts with Darth, even though the original trilogy was pretty clear about the fact that lighsabers were jedi weapons (the Emperor refers to them as "toys" and "jedi weapons" and really shows nothing but contempt for them) and the only reason Darth Vader had one was that he was a fallen jedi, and he had coloured his red to symbolize that fall; that's what made him an interesting character. Now we have generic good and generic evil, colour-coded for your convenience. 

Modifié par TheMufflon, 07 avril 2011 - 01:39 .

[Dominus]

Mmm, color coded morality - That sounds familiar, doesn't it? But yes, that's the general gist, the extraordinary has become just another game, just another film, just another one.

[Elvis_Mazur]

I don't even remember the game's name anymore, just that you get to play it on Mars, it's a shooter with a good destruction system, it was released for the current generation of consoles, and that I hate it.

So repetitive in gameplay, environments (I know I can't expect lots of different maps in Mars, but I still hated it), lack of cut-scenes or anything replacing it, lack of an engaging story, stupid missions.

Oh man, I shouldn't have remembered it.

[Rockworm503]

Mesina2 wrote...


Hitman( every single one of them suck)
y

[Rockworm503]

Turnip Root wrote...

One game I forgot to mention in my original list..

Tresspasser.

This was a PC game based on the Jurassic Park franchise that was so incredibly ambitious yet it was a complete failure.
I'm not sure if there was a computer at the time that could run it but back then I had a dual Voodoo 2 set up on my PC(state of the art back in 1998) and even that could not get the game at a playable framerate when the action got hectic.
The game tried to have this realistic physics system where you could pick up and use any object but the controls were so awful that it became nearly impossible to manipulate anything. Your character's arm I remember would flail around wildly like it was a rubber band.

I was DEEPLY disappointed. I remember Next Generation magazine hyped this up so heavily and I was expecting a masterpiece. It's sad because there were some really good ideas in Tresspasser and it could've been a masterpiece. I WANTED THIS GAME TO BE GOOD SO BADLY! I tried so hard to overlook it's flaws but I COULDN'T! It's one of the worst games ever made!

OMG I remember that game... I still have my copy lying around somewhere.  I thought it was the best game ever made back when I first played it but try as I might I can't get into it now.

[A Killing Sound]

Chrono Cross and Xenosaga 1-3. **** followups to amazing games.
Any of the Phantasy Star Onlines
Devil May Cry 2, 4, and the forecoming DMC
The 3D Castlevanias with maybe an exception to Lords of Shadow
I agree with Dino Crisis 3. Hopefully we'll get a real part 3 someday.

Modifié par A Killing Sound, 07 avril 2011 - 02:32 .

[Turnip Root]

TheMufflon wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

If by the three prequels, you mean episodes IV, V, and VI, then yes.  Filtered through the d20 system, of course, which I've never been a fan of.  Nevertheless it managed to look and, more importantly, feel just like the 1977-1983 Star Wars movies.

KotOR, like pretty much every Star Wars product after the original trilogy (or, some would argue, after Empire) just takes all the things that were superficially "cool" in the Star Wars movies (like lightsabers and Darth Vader) and copy-pastes them all over the place, seemingly without realizing that this ruins what was cool about it in the first place: their extraordinariness.

Suddenly every sith has a red lighsaber and a name that starts with Darth, even though the original trilogy was pretty clear about the fact that lighsabers were jedi weapons (the Emperor refers to them as "toys" and "jedi weapons" and really shows nothing but contempt for them) and the only reason Darth Vader had one was that he was a fallen jedi, and he had coloured his red to symbolize that fall; that's what made him an interesting character. Now we have generic good and generic evil, colour-coded for your convenience. 

Really, out of all the things you can criticize Star Wars for the best you can come up with is Lightsaber color?

Hell, in the original trilogy Darth Vader's lightsaber didn't even have color.  The red was only added in the special edition so who gives a crap?

[Beocat]

Sly Cooper 3 - Loved the series until this game. It took all that was good and warped it with an awfully out of character ending as well. If they had stopped with SC2 I would have been happy and wouldn't have such a vile taste in my mouth every time I play the first 2 games.

Tales of Legendia - By far the only bad Tales game I've ever played. I couldn't get past 30 minutes in it for the post-battle dancing in it.

[TheMufflon]

Turnip Root wrote...

Really, out of all the things you can criticize Star Wars for the best you can come up with is Lightsaber color?

Wait, what? If you say Star Wars, the first thing that most people think of (except possibly for "NERDS!!!") is lightsabers. Lightsabers feature in every single Star Wars movie. Lightsabers were voted best ever film weapon. How is using the change in the attitude towards lighsabers as an example of the changes in Star Wars not a school-book example of an argument with pathos, ethos and logos?

Really, out of all the things you can criticize my post for, the best you can come up with is my choice of example?

Hell, in the original trilogy Darth Vader's lightsaber didn't even have color.  The red was only added in the special edition so who gives a crap?

Now this is just blatantly incorrect. While it is true that in the original, the lightsabers look somewhat washed out, in the 1997 special edition of A New Hope his lightsaber was (if anything) less red.

Modifié par TheMufflon, 07 avril 2011 - 03:31 .

[Turnip Root]

TheMufflon wrote...

Turnip Root wrote...

Really, out of all the things you can criticize Star Wars for the best you can come up with is Lightsaber color?

Wait, what? If you say Star Wars, the first thing that most people think of (except possibly for "NERDS!!!") is lightsabers. Lightsabers feature in every single Star Wars movie. Lightsabers were voted best ever film weapon. How is using the change in the attitude towards lighsabers as an example of the changes in Star Wars not a school-book example of an argument with pathos, ethos and logos?

Really, out of all the things you can criticize my post for, the best you can come up with is my choice of example?

Hell, in the original trilogy Darth Vader's lightsaber didn't even have color.  The red was only added in the special edition so who gives a crap?

Now this is just blatantly incorrect. While it is true that in the original, the lightsabers look somewhat washed out, in the 1997 special edition of A New Hope his lightsaber was (if anything) less red.

Obviously you didn't pay attention to the Star Wars movies.  Obi-Wan himself describes the weapons as being from a more civilized age meaning that they are relics of the past so why should anyone be surprised to see them as being more abundant in a game that takes place nearly 4000 years before the events depicted in the film?
I'm not talking about the 1997 special edition, I'm talking about the actual original films which I happen to have on laserdisc and in the original film the lightsaber fight between Obi-Wan and Darth Vader has them both holding yellowish looking light sabers.

[Ulathar]

Arcania and Command and Conquer 4.