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[Stardusk78]

First of all I want to say that as a Soldier you WILL inevitably spam AR, no matter what but the Claymore Soldier allows for the High Risk/High Reward Style that many of us love (all the classes do is played right). I am going to start a compilation of Soldier Vids here to show how much fun and daring the Claymore Soldier can be.It really restore the fun of the class!

Here are all my Claymore Soldier vids and I hope others add some as well!





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4cTx6ksKe0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01KO2fqh7xE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlXro6sMj-o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U-NaCHMEPc

I plan on making more!

Please Contribute your own!

[Bozorgmehr]

Never tried the Claymore on a Soldier and it's the only class I couldn't find a save game to play Arrival. Maybe I start a new playthrough, who knows ...

[Stardusk78]

Bozorgmehr wrote...

Never tried the Claymore on a Soldier and it's the only class I couldn't find a save game to play Arrival. Maybe I start a new playthrough, who knows ...

You should Boz...it is high risk to get in close and Blast but Heightened AR+Commando and 2+ Upgraded Claymore...can one shot a Krogan with melees hits after words and two shot Harbinger...very rewarding I think!

[Alamar2078]

Do it Boz .. you know you want to

[Alamar2078]

Note: I haven't tried this build and may not like it much. On the other hand my thoughts won't take away from anyone else's enjoyment

Modifié par Alamar2078, 06 avril 2011 - 06:28 .

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Bozorgmehr wrote...

Never tried the Claymore on a Soldier and it's the only class I couldn't find a save game to play Arrival. Maybe I start a new playthrough, who knows ...

If you want I can send u my Soldier saves. One of them is definetly saved before Suicide Mission so you'll get a chance to play Arrival. Interested?

[Aynien]

Bozorgmehr wrote...

Never tried the Claymore on a Soldier and it's the only class I couldn't find a save game to play Arrival. Maybe I start a new playthrough, who knows ...

You can use Gibbed in one your saves and edit the classe, than clean the weapon loadout and skills and you got yourself a soldier at whatever place you like.

Modifié par Aynien, 06 avril 2011 - 06:48 .

[thatdude90210]

That looks like a lot of fun. I never tried it either, as the Widow is usually too awesome to forgo. I might try a run too. But what about the other AR, hardened, instead. That might give enough protection for extra shot with the Claymore before going for cover, maybe?

[Tony Gunslinger]

Nice one, Stardusk78

The soldier I like to play the most is the Claymore Soldier. I did only one video but I've only barely tapped its potential:

[Bozorgmehr]

@ PnXMarcin1PL and Aynien: Thanks for trying to help out, but I already modded my Claymore Engineer to become a Soldier.

Finished Mordin's RM and it's pretty good though I hate you cannot reload in ARush - got me killed when I charged a Krogan without shields and couldn't fire coz Claymore wasn't loaded

Which bonus powers work well? I'm thinking Neural Shock coz I don't think I'm gonna spam ARush (no reload trick ) and you don't need the damage bonus against normal mooks (with two SG upgrades - Jack's next on Soldier Shep's recruitment list 'course).

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Energy Drain (area or heavy), reave, slam and geth shield boost are perfect powers for soldier, atlhough geth shield boost makes soldier more defense playstyle. I'd go with energy drain You saw what it's capable of in my vid and other vids too.

[RedCaesar97]

Bozorgmehr wrote...

Which bonus powers work well? I'm thinking Neural Shock coz I don't think I'm gonna spam ARush (no reload trick ) and you don't need the damage bonus against normal mooks (with two SG upgrades - Jack's next on Soldier Shep's recruitment list 'course).

I have not had a chance to play a Claymore Soldier yet (I want to run a character through ME1 first), but from what I have read in other posts on the forums, Neural Shock and Slam are good since they are on short cooldowns and will not interfere with Adrenaline Rush (AR) too much. Stasis is good as well, but Stasis is good on any class.

Any bonus ammo power will also work (Warp Ammo fits in nicely), but it looks like you want a more active ability. In that case, Energy Drain and Reave would probably work, letting you stay out in the open a little longer without using AR. 

I would not recommend a shield-boosting power, but you have been on these forums longer than I have so you should already know that.

Do not take Inferno Grenade. I tried to use it on a Soldier as a poor-man's Incinerate. The heavy evolution failed to even strip the armor off a Loki mech. Flashbang Grenade might work better.

[kstarler]

My current favorite bonus power for Soldier is Neural Shock, simply because, as stated, it doesn't interfere as much with ARush use and it keeps the enemy standing in place.

[Stardusk78]

thatdude90210 wrote...

That looks like a lot of fun. I never tried it either, as the Widow is usually too awesome to forgo. I might try a run too. But what about the other AR, hardened, instead. That might give enough protection for extra shot with the Claymore before going for cover, maybe?

Maybe it would but the 70% slow down +40% damage bonus maximises the immense power of the Claymore; always fo Heightened imo...

[Stardusk78]

Bozorgmehr wrote...

@ PnXMarcin1PL and Aynien: Thanks for trying to help out, but I already modded my Claymore Engineer to become a Soldier.

Finished Mordin's RM and it's pretty good though I hate you cannot reload in ARush - got me killed when I charged a Krogan without shields and couldn't fire coz Claymore wasn't loaded

Which bonus powers work well? I'm thinking Neural Shock coz I don't think I'm gonna spam ARush (no reload trick ) and you don't need the damage bonus against normal mooks (with two SG upgrades - Jack's next on Soldier Shep's recruitment list 'course).

Spamming AR helps a lot; the other thing to do imo is to max out Melee damage; wear full Kestrel+Strength Boost Pads= 45% Melee Damage Boostif you have a 2+ upgrades after you blast a Krogan in the face point blank you can melee him to death while still in AR.

[Sparrow44]

Yeah Claymore's alright with Soldier, a decent bonus power and shotgun upgrades and it can be pretty fun and can be just as versatile as other Soldier builds as you still have AR's and snipers if needed.

I'd generally only activate Adrenaline Rush when I'm down to health and need to get out of trouble (Hardened is the way to go) this is so I could maximize use of Claymore with the reload cancel and use AR on the last enemy on screen 'cause slow-mo shotgunning is pretty awesome.

@Stardusk have you seen the Boomstick: Claymore Soldier thread on here? Some nice videos there as well if you've not already seen.

[Stardusk78]

Sparroww wrote...

Yeah Claymore's alright with Soldier, a decent bonus power and shotgun upgrades and it can be pretty fun and can be just as versatile as other Soldier builds as you still have AR's and snipers if needed.

I'd generally only activate Adrenaline Rush when I'm down to health and need to get out of trouble (Hardened is the way to go) this is so I could maximize use of Claymore with the reload cancel and use AR on the last enemy on screen 'cause slow-mo shotgunning is pretty awesome.

@Stardusk have you seen the Boomstick: Claymore Soldier thread on here? Some nice videos there as well if you've not already seen.

Never seen that thread; do you have a link?

For the Claymore I always go Heightened; more slow down, more damage, more boom...

[swn32]

Claymore soldier isn't broken, its just not as interesting as Widow soldier. Claymore is fun only in the hands of a vanguard.

[Praetor Knight]

The Few, the Proud, the Claymore Soldiers



And I googled the thread mentioned by Sparroww, here's the link: This... is my BOOMSTICK! - Soldier + Claymore

[MrDizazta]

Why use the Claymore when you can have the Widow.
Widow Soldiers FTW!

[Stardusk78]

swn32 wrote...

Claymore soldier isn't broken, its just not as interesting as Widow soldier. Claymore is fun only in the hands of a vanguard.

Uhm. This is just wrong...not sure how you can say that to be honest but I have to disagree.

The Widow Soldier is relatively boring; very effective, sure but boring nonetheless. Using the Claymore as a main weapon for the Soldier creates a high risk high reward situation; one shotting Guardian and Assassin Collectors; Blue Sun Legionaires can only be accomplished with the Claymore Soldier for example...it is simply much more exciting than the Widow Soldier.

[swn32]

Stardusk78 wrote...

swn32 wrote...

Claymore soldier isn't broken, its just not as interesting as Widow soldier. Claymore is fun only in the hands of a vanguard.

Uhm. This is just wrong...not sure how you can say that to be honest but I have to disagree.

The Widow Soldier is relatively boring; very effective, sure but boring nonetheless. Using the Claymore as a main weapon for the Soldier creates a high risk high reward situation; one shotting Guardian and Assassin Collectors; Blue Sun Legionaires can only be accomplished with the Claymore Soldier for example...it is simply much more exciting than the Widow Soldier.

• Once u start quickscoping, the Widow soldier becomes a lot more fun and more effective. It also gives the satisfaction of landing a perfect headshot which simply cant be achieved by firing a weapon point blank.
• Widow can be used at pretty much any range, from point blank to very long where as Claymore is a point blank only weapon. Its just way too inaccurate to be even mildly useful at any other range.
• Claymore's cant one shot nuke YMIR mechs, Widow can.
• Having a claymore means you do not get to have Geth Plasma Shotgun which can be used at even mid ranges and has a higher single shot damage than Claymore. If you can get the quick refire right, u can fire a chargeshot as well as an extra shot all within 0.33 seconds (triple fire). Thats 806.78 points of virtually instant damage as compared to the Claymore's 400.8.
• Geth Plasma Shotgun can double kill. This is because a single plasma ball of GPS does 62.5% damage of all 3 plasma balls on a single target. Hence hitting multiple targets actually does more overall damage than hitting a single target. This isnt the case with claymore where each pellet does 12.5% damage.
• Even though reload tricking Claymore has a higher shield/barrier/health DPS than Widow or GPS, the inability to quickly get into point blank distance negates it. Then again if you triple fire the GPS always in Heightened AR, Im sure the DPS can be matched if not exceeded.

Thing is, without the biotic charge ability its simply slower to use a claymore. A claymore soldier is just a gimped vanguard. Most of the time you just have to run towards enemies (wasting Adrenaline Rush in the process).. If you like claymore, play Vanguard.

Modifié par swn32, 07 avril 2011 - 12:13 .

[Waltzingbear]

Oh yes, if you want to use Claymore you should only play as a Vanguard.
The theory-crafting has concluded beyond any doubt that a Claymore Soldier is 66.3% less enjoyable to play than other available builds.

Do a favor to us all; stop wasting precious time by running to your target and start using a more formidable build that can take enemies out more effectively.

You, sir, are a stain to our society. Now get out there and Start Being More EFFECTIVE!!

[swn32]

Waltzingbear wrote...

Oh yes, if you want to use Claymore you should only play as a Vanguard.
The theory-crafting has concluded beyond any doubt that a Claymore Soldier is 66.3% less enjoyable to play than other available builds.

Do a favor to us all; stop wasting precious time by running to your target and start using a more formidable build that can take enemies out more effectively.

You, sir, are a stain to our society. Now get out there and Start Being More EFFECTIVE!!

I think you are in the wrong forum. Here in the strategy forum we discuss strengths and weaknesses of each builds.

Modifié par swn32, 07 avril 2011 - 02:18 .

[Tony Gunslinger]

A Widow soldier is an efficient sniper, and a Claymore soldier may be seen as 'gimped", but here's Gatsby's video:



I like what he said: "Taking the Claymore forces you use every single weapon that you have to the best of its abililties"

In that regard, I find the Claymore soldier more rewarding. Sure, using Widow/AR kills faster, but it doesn't expose you to other aspects of the gameplay that are just as enoyable/challenging.