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[skyrend]

JediMB wrote...

I really have to play through the original Witcher, so I can make up my mind on whether I'm interested in the sequel.

All I can say right now is that TW2 has pretty graphics. (Unlike the original.)

The original was good, but had some glaring flaws.  Gameplay is one thing that takes getting used to but can actually be OK.  The other is that the voice acting is definitely a couple of leagues behind Bioware and one thing I hope they've improved significantly this time around.  Otherwise, great story and atmosphere.

[Apollo Starflare]

Wasn't TW1 heavily censored for release in the States? Or am I remembering incorrectly? I have yet to get around to playing it, although it certainly interests me enough to give it a try and plenty have recommended it (funnily enough much as with DA2 usually with a 'but it does have x amount of problems'). And yet... it just never grabs me like a BioWare game does. It just lacks the character that pulls me into a game like DAO/2 or JE (for example) and various little things manage to put me off.

Not being able to customise the main character is a massive loss, the fantasy world is far from being as different as some make it out to be from everything I have read (this would be less of an issue if people didn't keep talking about it as if it completely reinvents the genre), and it's infamous immaturity in certain areas comes across as a bit eyebrow raising despite my general lack of qualms with such things.

Eh I don't know, even the graphics thing seems overblown to me. It's pretty sure, but there is plenty of brown there too, and just how explorable will it be? I read some comments along the lines of 'if you see it, you can go to it' but that doesn't seem backed up by some of the gameplay videos.

I guess I just really want to like what I'm seeing, but for some reason it's a struggle. Maybe it's a simple as my not being a Geralt fan, at least until I get around to trying to game properly.

With all that said I don't see BioWare needing to look at TW2 for tips just yet. Maybe once the game is out and folks can take in the full extent of it's cinematic design, but with a few exceptions DA2 had fantastic cinematic direction. Sex scenes afterall are FAR from the be all and end all of cinematics. Oh and while some films have nudity, it's hardly a staple of epic movies - quality ones aimed at a wide audience anyway.

[Sabriana]

Galad22 wrote...

I don't usually like games which force you to play only male protagonist (same if you are forced to play as female really) either, I think it's important that you could play as both. But I don't let it limit myself, since well you will lose some great games that way.

Yeah, I know Galad. I try though, I really do. I once lost my male PC in a game (don't remember which one) in an all out melee free-for-all. I couldn't find my own PC, that's how little I was connected to him.

My son, standing behind me, watching, cracked up something fierce. I still get ribbed by him about that. I don't think I'll ever live that down, not in a thousand years

[wolfsite]

Soo the point of the Witcher is to treat women like sex objects, bend them over a barrel, then move on..........  I bet all women feel proud at how they will be portrayed in this game.

And yes I have played The Witcher 1, that was the impression I got ( Hi I would like to help you with your problem..... why are you taking your.... no look I just want to be a nice person you don't have to do that) aside from poor gameplay, repetitive fetch and retrieve quests as voice acting that makes scratching a chalk board with a procupine sound pleasent.

[Kronner]

wolfsite wrote...

Soo the point of the Witcher is to treat women like sex objects, bend them over a barrel, then move on..........  I bet all women feel proud at how they will be portrayed in this game.

It's not a game that takes place in 2010 or 11, or in real world for that matter. You act as if everything was the same throughout the history. It's not a game for kids. I don't see why smashing someone with a hammer is fine, but nudity is such a taboo. It's stupid, and ridiculous.

Modifié par Kronner, 06 avril 2011 - 08:09 .

[Dark83]

skyrend wrote...

Still have yet to play femshep although I've heard her voice acting is great.

Eh. People say her voice acting is good, but I don't see it as better. They like it because she's got personality, I guess. I think manShep's voice is basically that of a cool professional, which suits how I pictured him. Detached and cool - and I think these people miss the nuances in his infliction, which I'm more impressed with than femShep's rather direct portrayal. She's more expressive, he's more subtle.

I couldn't stand my femShep ME1 game though - I only use the default faces because custom faces tend to suck compared to the premodeled, detailed ones. femShep's animation was ugh... weird neck linkage, and her body is off. Maybe its just me. It feels like the animation is trying to do manShep's actions with a smaller body. (I only really noticed the animation flaw in the "gather around the conference room" sequence.)

Maybe they fixed it in ME1, but I didn't bother because she can't bone Tali. :innocent:

[DraCZeQQ]

MizzNaaa wrote...


I didn't truly understand the meaning of shades of gray morality until I played that game...there is just NO FRACKING WAY for you to pick the right choice, they took the whole grey thing to a completely new level that I have NEVER experienced in any other game!

Exactly and when they tried this "gray thing" in DA2 it just felt so unnatural, forced and didnt even make much sense ...

[PaulSX]

Crash_7 wrote...

@Brokololly

I don't see any noteworthy difference in the technical aspects of DA/TW graphics? I think the attention to detail and complexity is higher in TW than DA, but that is a different aspect.

Some of DA 2's level designs are rich (ok, not as rich as TW/2), but some of TW's combat was awful. 6 of 1, half a dozen of another.

We can have both!

yeah, my major concern about witcher 2 is its combat, seriously the more I look into it, it's more like a hack n slash type combat, really I dont want to abuse my fingers again

[skyrend]

wolfsite wrote...

Soo the point of the Witcher is to treat women like sex objects, bend them over a barrel, then move on..........  I bet all women feel proud at how they will be portrayed in this game.

And yes I have played The Witcher 1, that was the impression I got ( Hi I would like to help you with your problem..... why are you taking your.... no look I just want to be a nice person you don't have to do that) aside from poor gameplay, repetitive fetch and retrieve quests as voice acting that makes scratching a chalk board with a procupine sound pleasent.

Most of the sex scenes/cards required a good amount of effort to get the characters into bed (get the right gift, pick the right dialogue, etc), so I find it odd that you were repulsed by something that could be avoided very easily.

[wolfsite]

skyrend wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Soo the point of the Witcher is to treat women like sex objects, bend them over a barrel, then move on..........  I bet all women feel proud at how they will be portrayed in this game.

And yes I have played The Witcher 1, that was the impression I got ( Hi I would like to help you with your problem..... why are you taking your.... no look I just want to be a nice person you don't have to do that) aside from poor gameplay, repetitive fetch and retrieve quests as voice acting that makes scratching a chalk board with a procupine sound pleasent.

Most of the sex scenes/cards required a good amount of effort to get the characters into bed (get the right gift, pick the right dialogue, etc), so I find it odd that you were repulsed by something that could be avoided very easily.

All I did was be the nice person, and just about every person bent over backwards.  So you are saying I'm wrong because I feel that shows women in a bad light morally.

[Marionetten]

wolfsite wrote...

Soo the point of the Witcher is to treat women like sex objects, bend them over a barrel, then move on..........  I bet all women feel proud at how they will be portrayed in this game.

Contrary to popular belief, the dark ages weren't particularly pleasant or politically correct. Rape, slavery, racism, sexism... well, you name it. I don't begrudge The Witcher for taking a more realistic angle and actually portraying the nitty-gritty. In fact, I applaud it for it. Gives me a reason to try and make things better.

And it's not as if there aren't any powerful women in The Witcher. Triss Merigold is one of the most influential individuals in the entire game. Does the fact that Geralt can engage in sexual activities with her somehow lessen her value? If so, I dread to think of Isabela's worth.

Modifié par Marionetten, 06 avril 2011 - 08:15 .

[AbounI]

Brocko, from this gameplay (beta version) trailer, you can judge how to handle the game, and appreciate the really good soundtrack too, admire the environment and its lightning effect, etc etc, in case you never saw it

Modifié par AbounI, 06 avril 2011 - 08:15 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

Marionetten wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

And those idiots calling me troll are just plain stupid. They voice their opinions and thus I can voice mine. Porn and nudity doesn't make a game good expecially when it's thrown at you every minute.

You're free to voice your opinion. Just don't expect people to take you seriously when you deem to label this pornography. According to your argument Requiem for a Dream is a porno. Ass to ass and all.

I have no idea what Requiem for a Dream is and don't intend to watch/play it given the description you've given it. This is pornography regardless of if you agree with this or not. Porno is sex videos and can be real people doing it or can be animated. Porn is porn.

[Crash_7]

suntzuxi wrote...

Crash_7 wrote...

@Brokololly

I don't see any noteworthy difference in the technical aspects of DA/TW graphics? I think the attention to detail and complexity is higher in TW than DA, but that is a different aspect.

Some of DA 2's level designs are rich (ok, not as rich as TW/2), but some of TW's combat was awful. 6 of 1, half a dozen of another.

We can have both!

yeah, my major concern about witcher 2 is its combat, seriously the more I look into it, it's more like a hack n slash type combat, really I dont want to abuse my fingers again

From the game play vids that I've seen TW 2's combat has been sped up and involves more skill use than the original.  In the original, taking down a boss relied too much on that special bomb or poison that took an entire level to find and create.  Magics were there, but only if you chose to specialise in that tree; the same goes for the different sword styles.  From what I have been able to work out TW 2's combat now involves more liberal use of all of those skill sets.

Like I said, I really enjoyed both games, I expect to enjoy each franchise's new iterations. 

Modifié par Crash_7, 06 avril 2011 - 08:18 .

[AbounI]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

And those idiots calling me troll are just plain stupid. They voice their opinions and thus I can voice mine. Porn and nudity doesn't make a game good expecially when it's thrown at you every minute.

You're free to voice your opinion. Just don't expect people to take you seriously when you deem to label this pornography. According to your argument Requiem for a Dream is a porno. Ass to ass and all.

I have no idea what Requiem for a Dream is and don't intend to watch/play it given the description you've given it. This is pornography regardless of if you agree with this or not. Porno is sex videos and can be real people doing it or can be animated. Porn is porn.

In no way Requiem for a dream is a porno, it's a beautiful movie treating about the dependances, all kind of dependances (legal, social or not)

[JamesMoriarty123]

I've said it once and I'll say it again. Mass Effect. Love with the blue alien is one of the most tasteful scenes I've seen in gaming romance. The music, the words, the build-up, when ye play it through for the first time, its just WOW!.

That is all.

[Russalka]

I do have to ask, how many of those women he can go through like that?

[Maverick827]

I still don't see the appeal of this franchise. It has action and swordplay, but not as good action and swordplay as Assassin's Creed (animations look slow and unwieldy). It has some RPG elements, but not as many as Dragon Age (cannot create your own character, not many stats/abilities/equipment). It looks nice, but not as nice as Metro 2033 (faces in particular look terrible).

So it's just a hodgepodge of averageness?

[Eternal Phoenix]

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

Elton John you obviously never played Baldurs Gate or KOTOR.
Please play those games then go to The Witcher then DA:O and DA2.
If you will still think after that DA2 is more of an RPG then Witcher you should get off this topic, because apearantly you dont anything how RPG games should look like and realizing how few RPG elements DA2 has.

I've played many RPG's and most have been D&D games. I know what an RPG is and even the DEVs of The Witcher call The Witcher an ACTION RPG. There is hardly any customization to the main character. DA2? There is customization, plus stats plus choices (even if you think they don't do anything or that they are rubbish, they're still there). Both are action RPG's but one has more RPG elements than the other and that's not The Witcher 1 & 2.

They can have the greatest graphics in the world, good graphics didn't save Oblivion.

Like Maverick827 said. The Witcher 1's sword play doesn't match Assassin's Creed's swordplay and going by Witcher 2's gameplay, they are trying to make it like AC swordplay. Sadly it actually looks like Fable combat which was hit, hit, hit, roll, roll, hit which is a bit better than Witcher's gameplay which was click, click, change style, click, click, click, click, click, change style, click click.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 06 avril 2011 - 08:23 .

[Galad22]

Elton John is dead wrote...

I have no idea what Requiem for a Dream is and don't intend to watch/play it given the description you've given it. This is pornography regardless of if you agree with this or not. Porno is sex videos and can be real people doing it or can be animated. Porn is porn.

Yet you seem to be fine with killing or murdering hundreds of fake people in video games. This kind of hypocrisy is astounding.

[Fhaileas]

Sabriana wrote...

I won't play any "Witcher" games, because I can't play as a male PC.

No, I don't hate men, I love 'em. Why, some of my best friends are men p)

I know that I'm limiting myself, severely so. I also know that many men play female PC's and many women play male PC's. I just can't do it, it never feels right. I'm never *in* the game, I'm just playing it. Sorta like DA 2 (for me/end obligatory foot-note).

However, I don't mind reading about male protagonists, and I don't mind watching my friends play them. Weird? Probably.

The only games where I could play as a male PC, and actually enjoy it were PS:T and the Zelda stuff. Seriously. Oh lord, I hope I'm not too weird.

Edited because spelling is an art form

 
The Witcher looks amazing and from what I have seen has a living, breathing world with a gritty realism that DA2 can only aspire to in addition to choices and consequences which significantly alters the narrative, however I simply cannot fathom playing as a male protagonist despite the allure of the game; same with PS:T.

If only we could play as a female Witcher. :sigh: 

[Russalka]

There is a difference between erotica and porn.

[Fhaileas]

Galad22 wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

I have no idea what Requiem for a Dream is and don't intend to watch/play it given the description you've given it. This is pornography regardless of if you agree with this or not. Porno is sex videos and can be real people doing it or can be animated. Porn is porn.

Yet you seem to be fine with killing or murdering hundreds of fake people in video games. This kind of hypocrisy is astounding.

Yep he's fine with comitting virtual genocide in all its bloody and gory glory but not with two virtual characters making love ... go figure. <_<

[Eternal Phoenix]

Galad22 wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

I have no idea what Requiem for a Dream is and don't intend to watch/play it given the description you've given it. This is pornography regardless of if you agree with this or not. Porno is sex videos and can be real people doing it or can be animated. Porn is porn.

Yet you seem to be fine with killing or murdering hundreds of fake people in video games. This kind of hypocrisy is astounding.

Where did I say I was fine with that? My first two characters are GOOD characters. Killing is not just for the sake of it. Same goes for The Witcher, you kill monsters but when SEX is thrown at you just for the sake of it. It's NOT FINE.

Geralt: *Walking down town*
Woman: "You're sexy. Let's have sex."
Geralt: Sure.
*Sex card comes up that you can flap over*



Sure, if you think that's fine. Go for it. Like I said before, the reasons for sex in The Witcher are stupid. Dragon Age: Origins handle it more mature and even the love scenes were handled very well. DA2? It really lacks love scenes not that I care.

The Witcher devs suck at love scenes. They should give it up. Complaints are made against The Witcher for its women being all loose. No complaints are made against DA apart from the anders thing which says it all really.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 06 avril 2011 - 08:28 .

[Marionetten]

Fhaileas wrote...
If only we could play as a female Witcher. :sigh: 

Unfortunately, there are no female Witchers. CD Projekt couldn't implement it without contradicting Sapkowski. They once tried to make a female Witcher called Ciri but the experiment was a failure and Triss forced them to stop it prematurely.

That said, I could see Triss being a playble character. It'd be interesting to experience things from her viewpoint. Plus, she's a powerful sorceress. But now I'm totally going off-topic.

Modifié par Marionetten, 06 avril 2011 - 08:28 .