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[Baihu1983]

So we all know how small a role the VS had in ME2. Will the Mass Effect 2 crew get the same treatment in ME3? I mean anyone of them can die meaning Bioware cant make them a major part of the plot can they? I would hate to see some of them be reduced to a 5 minute cut scene where they treat you like crap before going off never to be seen again.

So how do people think BW will handle this? Have they started something they cant really finish?

[Gentleman Moogle]

You're gonna find pretty much a 50/50 split on this issue. Personally, I think we'll see most, if not all, of the squaddies from ME2 come back in ME3. It just makes no sense to me to spend an entire game building up what amounts to the best crew in the galaxy, only to shelve them in the next game and make way for MORE newbies.

It'd be like the crew of the original Star Trek having a glorious first season... And then next season the Enterprise is crewed by completely new people with the exact same mission. It just wouldn't work.

[Timon44]

Yesterday I started a thread discussing this topic. Personally I think we will have most of our old squad return in ME3. If you like you can check out my reasoning here: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/103/index/6941755

Modifié par Timon44, 06 avril 2011 - 07:25 .

[xzxzxz701]

I think we will see some of the fan favorites come back (Garrus, Tali, Thane, ect.) as perma/temorary squad memebers. No doubt we will have new squad memebers, but I think alot of old faces with return.

Also, it seems like ME3 might have more temporary companions than full companions. Like say Tuchanka is under attack by the Reapers, and you go there and find Wrex leading the Krogan army. You can then have Wrex on your team for that mission, but only that mission.

[CroGamer002]

Some squadmates are returning as squadmates in ME3.

[Baihu1983]

But will Bioware invest time in guys like Thane whos dieing? A mission going for a cure would be sweet.

Samara mentions she would like to go to Omega after shes done with the SM to help people there. It would be out of character for Jack to stay along unless she became a LI.
Miranda and Jacob could all come down to if you stayed with IM at the end.
Tali and Garrus are the only ones i think would stay with Shepard no matter what.

[Nozybidaj]

It'll be interesting to see how they bring all these dead squad members back. No, having a production line leading into the Lazarus Project station wouldn't be lame, not at all. /rollseyes

Actually, thinking about, that might just be right up Mac's ally. Just need to find a way to add some grimdark to all that amped up.

[Baihu1983]

Nah they wont do that. I mean if Shepard dies in ME2 that saves pointless.

[Td1984]

Nozybidaj wrote...

It'll be interesting to see how they bring all these dead squad members back. No, having a production line leading into the Lazarus Project station wouldn't be lame, not at all. /rollseyes

Actually, thinking about, that might just be right up Mac's ally. Just need to find a way to add some grimdark to all that amped up.

They won't do it. BW said all deaths on the final mission are final. If Shep dies, you can't export to ME3.

[xzxzxz701]

Nozybidaj wrote...

It'll be interesting to see how they bring all these dead squad members back. No, having a production line leading into the Lazarus Project station wouldn't be lame, not at all. /rollseyes

Actually, thinking about, that might just be right up Mac's ally. Just need to find a way to add some grimdark to all that amped up.

They won't be brought to life in ME3, even if they are a squad memeber in ME3. If they died, they stay dead.

Modifié par xzxzxz701, 06 avril 2011 - 07:47 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

Thane will undoubtedly not be alive in ME3. His life expentency is less than year, and the Reapers most likely won't reach a Relay by that time. I expect some acknowledgement of a Thane romance in ME3, particularly if you cheated on your ME1 romance to do it, but most likely Thane will be referenced through Kolyat, who may have a sidequest or a storyline that differs depending on whether Thane survived to have those talks with his son.

As for the others, there're a lot of variables. Undoubtedly Tali and Legion will have key roles in the quarian/geth conflict that was built up in ME2. Tali hints, if you manage to charm/intimidate her out of exile, that the Fleet had elements of support for Tali as an Admiralty member, which may actually smooth things over for Shepard during ME3. That the Tali vs. Legion argument scene's outcome may affect this as well (perhaps making both of these characters more open to a diplomatic solution to the conflict) is something to think about.

Other characters, such as Jack or Samara, are more likely to appear in sidequests than full-blown missions, due to their lesser significance in the grand scheme of galactic conflicts. Other characters, such as Jacob, Miranda, and the Virmire Survivor, are likely to just be "there" and ready to offer support for Shepard's mission. I don't doubt that there will be a smattering of new party members to ensure that the player DOES in fact have a squad, with a few ME2 party members that will be excluded from the equation in the event that they did not survive. The ramifications of Grunt, Mordin, Tali, and Legion not surviving to play roles in their respective racial conflicts is interesting, as well.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Thane will undoubtedly not be alive in ME3. His life expentency is less than year, and the Reapers most likely won't reach a Relay by that time. I expect some acknowledgement of a Thane romance in ME3, particularly if you cheated on your ME1 romance to do it, but most likely Thane will be referenced through Kolyat, who may have a sidequest or a storyline that differs depending on whether Thane survived to have those talks with his son.

As for the others, there're a lot of variables. Undoubtedly Tali and Legion will have key roles in the quarian/geth conflict that was built up in ME2. Tali hints, if you manage to charm/intimidate her out of exile, that the Fleet had elements of support for Tali as an Admiralty member, which may actually smooth things over for Shepard during ME3. That the Tali vs. Legion argument scene's outcome may affect this as well (perhaps making both of these characters more open to a diplomatic solution to the conflict) is something to think about.

Other characters, such as Jack or Samara, are more likely to appear in sidequests than full-blown missions, due to their lesser significance in the grand scheme of galactic conflicts. Other characters, such as Jacob, Miranda, and the Virmire Survivor, are likely to just be "there" and ready to offer support for Shepard's mission. I don't doubt that there will be a smattering of new party members to ensure that the player DOES in fact have a squad, with a few ME2 party members that will be excluded from the equation in the event that they did not survive. The ramifications of Grunt, Mordin, Tali, and Legion not surviving to play roles in their respective racial conflicts is interesting, as well.

Man, I am not the biggest Thane fan, but Kolyat is no replacement for him. If you're going to give us a new Drell, give us Liara's chew toy, Feron. That dude has some skills, and has seen some stuff, and is more romantically appealing to the ladies. (I honestly find him more interesting than Thane, but Thane wasn't my LI.)

That said... the nature of Thane's condition is open enough that him still being alive isn't unreasonable.

I can't believe I've gone this long without referencing This American Life, but here we go: there was a story there recently, about people who have a certain kind of cancer - the kind that is all throughout your bones and your system - who live for years after. This one woman is alive something like eleven years after she was told she had six months to live. 98% of people in her situation are dead within a year, and they're studying people like her to figure out why they don't die quickly, but nobody really knows. I'd consider Thane to be in a similar situation: he could be dead in six months, he could live for years as a crazy outlier. Also, it's explicitly stated that he is ready to die so has repeatedly refused new treatments... if he has a newfound will to live, he might start taking better care of himself.

[Almostfaceman]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Thane will undoubtedly not be alive in ME3. His life expentency is less than year, and the Reapers most likely won't reach a Relay by that time. I expect some acknowledgement of a Thane romance in ME3, particularly if you cheated on your ME1 romance to do it, but most likely Thane will be referenced through Kolyat, who may have a sidequest or a storyline that differs depending on whether Thane survived to have those talks with his son.

As for the others, there're a lot of variables. Undoubtedly Tali and Legion will have key roles in the quarian/geth conflict that was built up in ME2. Tali hints, if you manage to charm/intimidate her out of exile, that the Fleet had elements of support for Tali as an Admiralty member, which may actually smooth things over for Shepard during ME3. That the Tali vs. Legion argument scene's outcome may affect this as well (perhaps making both of these characters more open to a diplomatic solution to the conflict) is something to think about.

Other characters, such as Jack or Samara, are more likely to appear in sidequests than full-blown missions, due to their lesser significance in the grand scheme of galactic conflicts. Other characters, such as Jacob, Miranda, and the Virmire Survivor, are likely to just be "there" and ready to offer support for Shepard's mission. I don't doubt that there will be a smattering of new party members to ensure that the player DOES in fact have a squad, with a few ME2 party members that will be excluded from the equation in the event that they did not survive. The ramifications of Grunt, Mordin, Tali, and Legion not surviving to play roles in their respective racial conflicts is interesting, as well.

Man, I am not the biggest Thane fan, but Kolyat is no replacement for him. If you're going to give us a new Drell, give us Liara's chew toy, Feron. That dude has some skills, and has seen some stuff, and is more romantically appealing to the ladies. (I honestly find him more interesting than Thane, but Thane wasn't my LI.)

That said... the nature of Thane's condition is open enough that him still being alive isn't unreasonable.

I can't believe I've gone this long without referencing This American Life, but here we go: there was a story there recently, about people who have a certain kind of cancer - the kind that is all throughout your bones and your system - who live for years after. This one woman is alive something like eleven years after she was told she had six months to live. 98% of people in her situation are dead within a year, and they're studying people like her to figure out why they don't die quickly, but nobody really knows. I'd consider Thane to be in a similar situation: he could be dead in six months, he could live for years as a crazy outlier. Also, it's explicitly stated that he is ready to die so has repeatedly refused new treatments... if he has a newfound will to live, he might start taking better care of himself.

He refuses new treatment?  When I query him and let him know we have medical facilities on the Normandy he tells me the hanar are working on a cure - he just doesn't expect them to find it in time.  I may have missed some dialogue though - never played a femshep - is this what he tells the ladies?

[xzxzxz701]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Thane will undoubtedly not be alive in ME3. His life expentency is less than year, and the Reapers most likely won't reach a Relay by that time. I expect some acknowledgement of a Thane romance in ME3, particularly if you cheated on your ME1 romance to do it, but most likely Thane will be referenced through Kolyat, who may have a sidequest or a storyline that differs depending on whether Thane survived to have those talks with his son.

As for the others, there're a lot of variables. Undoubtedly Tali and Legion will have key roles in the quarian/geth conflict that was built up in ME2. Tali hints, if you manage to charm/intimidate her out of exile, that the Fleet had elements of support for Tali as an Admiralty member, which may actually smooth things over for Shepard during ME3. That the Tali vs. Legion argument scene's outcome may affect this as well (perhaps making both of these characters more open to a diplomatic solution to the conflict) is something to think about.

Other characters, such as Jack or Samara, are more likely to appear in sidequests than full-blown missions, due to their lesser significance in the grand scheme of galactic conflicts. Other characters, such as Jacob, Miranda, and the Virmire Survivor, are likely to just be "there" and ready to offer support for Shepard's mission. I don't doubt that there will be a smattering of new party members to ensure that the player DOES in fact have a squad, with a few ME2 party members that will be excluded from the equation in the event that they did not survive. The ramifications of Grunt, Mordin, Tali, and Legion not surviving to play roles in their respective racial conflicts is interesting, as well.

Actually no, Thane can still fight for 9 more months, and then he will have to settle down and his disease will start to take his toll on him, but it won't kill him for a while. Also, Shep says that it will take the Reapers a few months (2-4) to get to the Milky Way, not a year.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Almostfaceman wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Thane will undoubtedly not be alive in ME3. His life expentency is less than year, and the Reapers most likely won't reach a Relay by that time. I expect some acknowledgement of a Thane romance in ME3, particularly if you cheated on your ME1 romance to do it, but most likely Thane will be referenced through Kolyat, who may have a sidequest or a storyline that differs depending on whether Thane survived to have those talks with his son.

As for the others, there're a lot of variables. Undoubtedly Tali and Legion will have key roles in the quarian/geth conflict that was built up in ME2. Tali hints, if you manage to charm/intimidate her out of exile, that the Fleet had elements of support for Tali as an Admiralty member, which may actually smooth things over for Shepard during ME3. That the Tali vs. Legion argument scene's outcome may affect this as well (perhaps making both of these characters more open to a diplomatic solution to the conflict) is something to think about.

Other characters, such as Jack or Samara, are more likely to appear in sidequests than full-blown missions, due to their lesser significance in the grand scheme of galactic conflicts. Other characters, such as Jacob, Miranda, and the Virmire Survivor, are likely to just be "there" and ready to offer support for Shepard's mission. I don't doubt that there will be a smattering of new party members to ensure that the player DOES in fact have a squad, with a few ME2 party members that will be excluded from the equation in the event that they did not survive. The ramifications of Grunt, Mordin, Tali, and Legion not surviving to play roles in their respective racial conflicts is interesting, as well.

Man, I am not the biggest Thane fan, but Kolyat is no replacement for him. If you're going to give us a new Drell, give us Liara's chew toy, Feron. That dude has some skills, and has seen some stuff, and is more romantically appealing to the ladies. (I honestly find him more interesting than Thane, but Thane wasn't my LI.)

That said... the nature of Thane's condition is open enough that him still being alive isn't unreasonable.

I can't believe I've gone this long without referencing This American Life, but here we go: there was a story there recently, about people who have a certain kind of cancer - the kind that is all throughout your bones and your system - who live for years after. This one woman is alive something like eleven years after she was told she had six months to live. 98% of people in her situation are dead within a year, and they're studying people like her to figure out why they don't die quickly, but nobody really knows. I'd consider Thane to be in a similar situation: he could be dead in six months, he could live for years as a crazy outlier. Also, it's explicitly stated that he is ready to die so has repeatedly refused new treatments... if he has a newfound will to live, he might start taking better care of himself.

He refuses new treatment?  When I query him and let him know we have medical facilities on the Normandy he tells me the hanar are working on a cure - he just doesn't expect them to find it in time.  I may have missed some dialogue though - never played a femshep - is this what he tells the ladies?

From the LotSB files: 

Thane's Medical Report From Dr. Chakwas
Lung Capacity: 42% (left-side lung shows large lesions, right lung has nodular lesions only)
Antibiotic treatment: Now resistant to cipoxidin, malanarin, alburcin
Metastatic progress: stomach, liver (minor), heart (negligible at this time)
Treatment Options:
Viable transplant candidate but refused to be added to list
- Synthetic lung generation currently impossible for drell

It also says that regular exercise will help him stay healthy. So there are clearly treatment options, but he wasn't really interested in pursuing them. I think there may be a line or two about it in other places, but I'm not entirely sure. I take his "I'm going to die, there are no treatments available" line as both fatalistic and pessimistic... he doesn't want to give Shep unreasonable hope for his survival, and until now he wasn't really all that interested in taking care of himself.

[ErebUs890]

Glad there wasn't much VS in ME2. Ashley/Kaiden are poor characters. I think ME2 has more characters that people really like.

[Destroy Raiden_]

I think using the whole everybody can die so they shouldn't be in ME3 is a joke shep can die and he/she is going to be in ME3 sure main character but the point is BW isn't going to just shelve everyone based off of that issue if a player wants to be commander idiot and kill all his crewmen then thats on him and his game should suffer its not like that player doesn't have backup sheps that kept some if not all alive.

The VS will be in ME3 most likely has a regretting crew mate asking for forgiveness and to be included onto the team if not just plainly saving sheps ass and then auto being put onto the team sense BWs motto is recruit them or leave them behind instead of recruit them or find a reasonable replacement. Tali, Garrus, Chakwas, Joker, and Miranda will be back on the ship sense all these people have played significant roles in ME - ME2.

The only ones I can see as not returning or would come back as npcs are Legion, Samara, Zeed, Kasumi, Mordin, and Jack all others are on the fence as to what roles they will have.

[ErebUs890]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

if a player wants to be commander idiot and kill all his crewmen then thats on him and his game should suffer

You say that like anyone who gets a character killed is a moron. Some people would just like to see how it's going to effect ME3.

[Big stupid jellyfish]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

shep can die and he/she is going to be in ME3

Shep dies in ME2 = Shep can't be imported into ME3

[jamesp81]

ErebUs890 wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

if a player wants to be commander idiot and kill all his crewmen then thats on him and his game should suffer

You say that like anyone who gets a character killed is a moron. Some people would just like to see how it's going to effect ME3.

And that's fine if they like the challenge of playing the game with less going for them.

[ErebUs890]

jamesp81 wrote...

ErebUs890 wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

if a player wants to be commander idiot and kill all his crewmen then thats on him and his game should suffer

You say that like anyone who gets a character killed is a moron. Some people would just like to see how it's going to effect ME3.

And that's fine if they like the challenge of playing the game with less going for them.

I doubt there will be that much less going for them...

[AntenDS]

If you import a dead Shep into ME3. Shep's body should be flung at the first reaper to enter the Sol system and then you get a Critical Mission Failure screen.

[Kingthlayer]

I feel they should bring back the squad as is and add no one new. As I've always said, if a crew member is dead in a game it's because the player made that choice and not because the Suicide Mission was to hard.

In my maleshep game, all the aliens are dead, because he doesn't like aliens. The last thing he wants is more aliens being shoved into the crew because they're just going to find a way to die.

If a player wants to play with a crew of 6 then let them. I have other Shepards that enjoy the company of aliens and would like to kill Reapers with them.

Plus some unique squad dialogue based on if someone is dead or not, like Miranda would be a little ticked off if you let Jacob die.

We don't need new squad mates, if they get rid of the current crew and bring in new people, then Mass Effect 2 will have to go down as the most worthless game ever made because the whole game is about building your crew, sure there is a side mission where you kill some collectors and a reaper jr but the main game is about the crew.

[xzxzxz701]

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

I feel they should bring back the squad as is and add no one new. As I've always said, if a crew member is dead in a game it's because the player made that choice and not because the Suicide Mission was to hard.

In my maleshep game, all the aliens are dead, because he doesn't like aliens. The last thing he wants is more aliens being shoved into the crew because they're just going to find a way to die.

If a player wants to play with a crew of 6 then let them. I have other Shepards that enjoy the company of aliens and would like to kill Reapers with them.

Plus some unique squad dialogue based on if someone is dead or not, like Miranda would be a little ticked off if you let Jacob die.

We don't need new squad mates, if they get rid of the current crew and bring in new people, then Mass Effect 2 will have to go down as the most worthless game ever made because the whole game is about building your crew, sure there is a side mission where you kill some collectors and a reaper jr but the main game is about the crew.

Its common sense to know that only a few ME2 squad mates will return to be on your crew, if even that. There will always be new squad mates, whether you like it or not.

[Almostfaceman]

xzxzxz701 wrote...

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

I feel they should bring back the squad as is and add no one new. As I've always said, if a crew member is dead in a game it's because the player made that choice and not because the Suicide Mission was to hard.

In my maleshep game, all the aliens are dead, because he doesn't like aliens. The last thing he wants is more aliens being shoved into the crew because they're just going to find a way to die.

If a player wants to play with a crew of 6 then let them. I have other Shepards that enjoy the company of aliens and would like to kill Reapers with them.

Plus some unique squad dialogue based on if someone is dead or not, like Miranda would be a little ticked off if you let Jacob die.

We don't need new squad mates, if they get rid of the current crew and bring in new people, then Mass Effect 2 will have to go down as the most worthless game ever made because the whole game is about building your crew, sure there is a side mission where you kill some collectors and a reaper jr but the main game is about the crew.

Its common sense to know that only a few ME2 squad mates will return to be on your crew, if even that. There will always be new squad mates, whether you like it or not.

Common sense is don't put a loaded gun to your head and pull the trigger.  Your opinion on what may or may not happen in a video game doesn't rise up to that standard. Your inflated self importance is amusing.