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[Icy Magebane]

I don't think any deaths should be undone, except for maybe Legion (new geth body) or Miranda (clone?). The others would just be illogical... as far as I can see, anyway.

But yeah, I assume there will be a couple new squad members, but why wouldn't most if not all of them return? Their stories may be concluded as far as some people are concerned, but would Jacob just leave Cerberus hanging right before they go off to war? Grunt abandons his Battlemaster? Actually, I could envision a few people leaving active duty, Tali for instance. She might have some kind of responsibilities to the Flotilla that can't be ignored... so I don't know.

All I know is that if somebody died, they shouldn't come back to life without a damn good reason. Maybe if Thane died, his son takes his place. Or maybe if Miranda died, Cerberus just kind of strongarms her "sister" or even brainwashes her into joining? Bah... I hate speculating... makes waiting for the game that much harder.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

JayhartRIC wrote...

It'll take more time to develop new characters, won't it?

In a word, yes. Man I totally need to make a reference for all of the super long explanations I've previously typed out, so I can just link to my old posts.

Some new, some old is my prediction. Brobably some borrowed, and I'm pretty sure we'll have at least one blue. I mean so far that's been the pattern, right?

[Gentleman Moogle]

And now name me one of those arguments that isn't overshadowed by "Hey, I'm going to fight the Reapers and I need someone I can trust by my side."

This is like saying "I'd love to help you put out the fire that's about to burn down our house, but I'm right in the middle of baking cookies and they'll burn a little if I leave them for too long."

Seriously, some priorities just take precedence over... Well, everything else.

[Baihu1983]

I actually see Zaeed playing a big role in ME3. I mean its clear his Hacketts son

[Guanxii]

 Definitely returning, if alive (8):

Grunt: token krogan (a 3rd krogan would be really pushing it… plus how are you going to replace the perfect krogan?)
Tali: token quarian, LI
Garrus: token turian, LI
Liara: token asari, LI
Mordin: token salarian (life-span issue would be a problem with any salarian)
Legion: token geth, the only one of it's kind in the entire galaxy that can independently operate and communicate with organics
Miranda: no connections or other prospects, LI, permanent replacement for Ashley  
Jacob: no connections or other prospects, LI, permanent replacement for Kaidan


Debatable:

Thane: serious health issues, otherwise LI-status may provide him w/plot-armor
Feron: could replace Thane, could also stand-in for Liara as [the] Shadow Broker
Jack: Compulsion to go rogue, Miranda, LI
Samara/Morinth: see Ashley/Kaidan issue, implicitly expressed will to leave for omega, Ardat-Yakshi compulsion
Ashley/Kaidan: cameo'd into a key role like Anderson or Wrex
Zaeed/Kasumi: optional dlc characters, no way in hell they will not be cameo'd

Modifié par Guanxii, 07 avril 2011 - 12:17 .

[ReiSilver]

I've said it once and I'll say it again. The entire point of ME2 was the squad mates, if they don't carry over into ME3 not only does it make your choices leading to the survival rate of the suicide run meaningless it renders ME2 wasted time as the main plot sure as hell didn't go anywhere and 90% of the 'main plot quests' were either recruiting or making your squad loyal.
Bioware would be shooting themselves in the foot (not that that's stopped them in recent times).

[Akizora]

JayhartRIC wrote...

It'll take more time to develop new characters, won't it?

reintroduce 12 characters equally, reintroduce the 6 most popular ones, introduce 6 new ones or introduce a mix of new ones and old ones. Reintroducing all 12 is just unrealistic, they don't have the time and they can't neglect an entire audience new to the series that want to get to know the characters.

Everybody deserves to enjoy the game equally and so the most logical course of action is a mix of it, this will appeal to most people. Newcomers that get to know old and new characters, Mass Effect fans that like the old characters and Mass Effect fans that want to get to know new characters because they might not have liked the old ones.

[G00N3R7883]

Baihu1983 wrote...

I mean anyone of them can die meaning Bioware cant make them a major part of the plot can they?

See both Dragon Age games. Alot of potential party characters can be killed or not recruited which means some players get to experience their VA and some players don't.

[Tazzmission]

the only person in me2s squad thatll get screwed is miranda. and i mean literally screwed

[Akizora]

G00N3R7883 wrote...

Baihu1983 wrote...

I mean anyone of them can die meaning Bioware cant make them a major part of the plot can they?

See both Dragon Age games. Alot of potential party characters can be killed or not recruited which means some players get to experience their VA and some players don't.

the only flaw in that logic is that it is contained within the same game, and other cases DAO deaths were retconned.

[Baihu1983]

Yeah what he said.

Tali and Mordin are the 2 i would keep over anyone else if i was made to pick.

[spacehamsterZH]

Tazzmission wrote...

the only person in me2s squad thatll get screwed is miranda. and i mean literally screwed

She already got screwed in several of my ME2 playthroughs.

Haw haw nyuk nuyk.

[SalsaDMA]

The reason certain ME1 squadies were relegated to non-squad appearances were because bioware wanted to be certain they were available for ME3. ie. not killable in the suicide mission.

One of the devs stated this in an interview, but I'll be darned if I can remember which one

[JayhartRIC]

But that could mean they are integral to the plot. You can be a squadmate without being integral to the plot.

[Mykel54]

I get the feeling that ME3 will have a mix of:
-new permanent squadmates (hopefully shiala is in)
-old permanent squadmates (the most popular ones, like garrus)
-old temporary squadmates (those with responsabilities like wrex, or kaidan/ashley)

Like Liara in ME2, i think many of the former squadmates will be available in certain portions of the game, but not in every mission. For example maybe Tali is available in dealing with the quarian-geth conflict, and then very late in the game she is available again for the final battle, but she won´t be permanent like in ME1 or ME2. I think bioware will try to make most companions appear and be playable even if only for small parts of the game, instead of having a limited number always with you, and the rest limited to npcs or cameos.

[Bluefuse]

AntenDS wrote...

If you import a dead Shep into ME3. Shep's body should be flung at the first reaper to enter the Sol system and then you get a Critical Mission Failure screen.

ME1 death style LOL

[AquamanOS]

Welp, according to gameinformer Garrus is definite squadmate, if he's still alive in 2. Legion Wrex and Mordin will be appearing to, although no info on their squadmate status.

[bluewolv1970]

AquamanOS wrote...

Welp, according to gameinformer Garrus is definite squadmate, if he's still alive in 2. Legion Wrex and Mordin will be appearing to, although no info on their squadmate status.

you forgot Liara and ash/kaiden

and I think it is safe to say that in the not to distant future Miranda and Tali will be announced as returning...


really only Thane,Samara,jacob,Grunt,Morinth,Kasumi,jack and Zaeed are up in the air at this point 

Modifié par bluewolv1970, 08 avril 2011 - 04:23 .

[Baihu1983]

I can see Grunt having gone off to find his own clan by ME3.

[ErebUs890]

Baihu1983 wrote...

I can see Grunt having gone off to find his own clan by ME3.

I hope not.... I'll cry... 

[Baihu1983]

I liked Grunt but Wrex was so much better.

[Maj.Pain007]

I hope Jack returns.

[Mr0TYuH]

As far as Thane goes, part of it depends on how much time elapsed in ME2. I always thought the first ME took place over a period greater than a year, mainly because during an early conversation with Ashley, she says it's Armistice Day. At the end, when you talk to the Terra Firma candidate, he also says it is Armistice Day, which always made me assume it was a year after the conversation with Ash. Thane says he has 8-12 months until his condition renders him unfit for service and that he had just enough time for one last mission, which made me think ME2 took about that much time. In Lair of the Shadow Broker, Liara refers to it as "a few months," so I don't know.

Anyway, Thane's condition will deteriorate quickly once he reaches the point of not being able to remain active. So he only has a few months past the 8-12 months he stated. If you read the dossier from LotSB, it says that his long capacity has been reduced to 42%. I remember one Olympic swimmer who only had one long. They said the equivilent would be filling your nose with cotton and then breathing through it. Also, his condition has metasistized to his stomach, liver and heart. While it says the heart has been negligibly effected at this time, considering the condition causes the stiffening of tissue, it could quickly lead to a rupture and kill him. Anyway, given what we know of his condition, if it is parallel to conditions in humans, he should need to pause regularly for breathe and be spitting up blood.

Anyway, as I've stated elsewhere, I don't want a cure for Thane. If one of a characters defining traits is a terminal illness with no cure, I want that character to die in a timely fashion. I'll admit I'm probably biased. As a character, Thane is one of my least favorites, which is kind of funny because I do find him very useful and use him in my squad frequently. Also, from a story point of view, it is kind of silly to use characters like Thane or Katsumi in combat situations. It would have been a better use of their talents to send them on missions ala Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood. Anyway, even if Thane was my favorite character, I would still want a payoff to his condition.

The one character I am kind of surprised to see peoples' opinions on is Grunt. It seems most posters think he would leave Shepard to return to his clan. Personally, I think he is, from a story perspective, one of the ones most likely to stay, given that Shepard is his battlemaster. Unless a better opportunity comes along or Grunt decides Shepard's weak for submitting to trail, I would think Grunt would stick with Shepard since Shepard still has powerful enemies to fight.

Of course, this is all just my opinion.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

See, I had the impression that ME2 took only a few months: a day or two per recruitment and loyalty mission still only adds up to a couple months. I also get the impression that ME3 will not have a timeskip, and will instead take place a month or so after the end of ME2.

Thane is (I think) the second most popular FemShep LI in ME2, which raises the chances for his return, in my mind. If we're still only 5-6 months from the start of ME2, keeping him around for ME3 isn't that strange, and we might get to see his health actually start to degrade... maybe have him get hooked up with some supplementary cybernetics and emergency treatements, just to keep him alive long enough to finish the mission. Chicks who dig tragedy will be into that, and get a good conclusion to their story. At most, it'd stretch his estimated functional lifespan out six to ten months over what was originally estimated, which is not that unreasonable.

Bioware is kind of up against it in this one. So far they've been pretty consistent at balancing love interests for men and women. We're getting Garrus back (#1 femshep LI!), so if we don't get Miranda, people may be upset. If we get Miranda and Tali back, but don't get Thane and get Jacob instead, a lot of girls will be pretty disappionted. Of course, they could break all patterns with LIs and just bring back one or two squadmates, unrelated to love-interest-ness. No way of knowing.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 10 avril 2011 - 09:05 .