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[errant_knight]

thurmanator692 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

I'm not believing that Alistair was abandoned by BOTH his parents until I have to.

when will you consider that you have to? It makes sense, Maric couldn't just be like "Hey-ooo, I gots an Illegitimate baby boy by an Orlesian elven Grey Warden, U mad?"

It also makes sense that Marric knocked up a maid. Until it's actual canon, then as far as I'm concerned, Goldana is his sister and they shared a mother. We have no more reason to believe that Fiona was his mother than to belive that there's another bastard out there somwhere creating a family line that will come into play after Alistair dies. But this is WAY off topic to the circle discussion.

[Raiil]

errant_knight wrote...

If this is actually true, it seems like a retcon. I'm pretty sure we were supposed to take Alistair at his word about that in Origins.

Why wouldn't we, and how would it change anything? If Fiona is his mother- he doesn't know that, and as far as he knows, he's telling you the truth.


I think Alistair's just an anomaly for game play purposes. And Hawke, unless there's a function in game that has you imbibing lyrium on a regular basis.

ETA: Gah, I meant we, not he, and other stuff.

Modifié par Valentia X, 07 avril 2011 - 02:46 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ok what are we talking about here?

[errant_knight]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

If this is actually true, it seems like a retcon. I'm pretty sure we were supposed to take Alistair at his word about that in Origins.

He does say "maybe it doesn't do even that".

Yeah, I guess they've left it pretty wide open and subject to change. Still, it would be helpful to have special forces whe weren't addicts when everyone else's were. But being resistant to magic is pretty important to what they do. Going back to the gameplay example, Alistair is resistant to magic by virtue of his willpower and being a templar, not lyrium, so the two gameplay examples would seem to be at odds.

[errant_knight]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ok what are we talking about here?

Lyrium and whether Alistair is an anomoly in not needing it. It could all just be a big handwave because they wanted to change templar gameplay for DA2, who knows?

Modifié par errant_knight, 07 avril 2011 - 02:50 .

[_Somebody]

DA2 implied that Hawke starts to drink lyrium if you use the Templar specialization. They made it seem more like its needed now, unlike Origins did.

Modifié par Somebody, 07 avril 2011 - 02:50 .

[errant_knight]

Yeah, to me this has retcon written all over it, but they'll do what they'll do, so I guess we can't speculate about whether templars can function without it.

[KnightofPhoenix]

errant_knight wrote...
Going back to the gameplay example, Alistair is resistant to magic by virtue of his willpower and being a templar, not lyrium, so the two gameplay examples would seem to be at odds.

Annulment in DA2 provides a 50% magic resistance though. I do not recall Alistair's resistance reaching that high.

[_Somebody]

errant_knight wrote...

Yeah, to me this has retcon written all over it, but they'll do what they'll do, so I guess we can't speculate about whether templars can function without it.

I dont even want to use the specialization anymore for roleplaying purposes. I dont like to think that Hawke needs to drink vials of lyrium, and end up like Samson.

[errant_knight]

thurmanator692 wrote...

the way i understand it, lyrium consumpion is the orthodox way of doing it, it makes it easier and whatnot, while it is possible to do it without, but takes a whole lot more training

This would make sense to me. It would also make sense in the context of gameplay as it would explain why Alistair needs time to become a stong templar.

[errant_knight]

thurmanator692 wrote...

I don't think you can officially call it a retcon untill alistair starts suffering from lyrium withdraw in DA3

I don't mean of Alistair, but of what's possible for templars--but if they made it so that the lack of lyrium could be overome by training, then both games takes on it could work together.

[errant_knight]

There's that, too. Makes sense.

Okay, I have to stop chatting now and be disciplined. Part two of my story isn't going to write itself.

Modifié par errant_knight, 07 avril 2011 - 03:01 .

[PantheraOnca]

Although, if the resistance isn't lyrium based the Chantry has no good reason to not be teaching everybody these techniques.

[errant_knight]

PantheraOnca wrote...

Although, if the resistance isn't lyrium based the Chantry has no good reason to not be teaching everybody these techniques.

Except for the reason that Alistair gave in Origins. Having an army be dependant on you is a handy means of control.

[errant_knight]

thurmanator692 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

I don't think you can officially call it a retcon untill alistair starts suffering from lyrium withdraw in DA3

I don't mean of Alistair, but of what's possible for templars--but if they made it so that the lack of lyrium could be overome by training, then both games takes on it could work together.

That was mostly a joke

Lol! Sorry, I was on a roll.

[PantheraOnca]

errant_knight wrote...

PantheraOnca wrote...

Although, if the resistance isn't lyrium based the Chantry has no good reason to not be teaching everybody these techniques.

Except for the reason that Alistair gave in Origins. Having an army be dependant on you is a handy means of control.

Ok, fine.

But I mean, if its not dependent on lyrium, Alistar CAN'T have been the first one to notice in the last 700 or whatever years, right?

I mean, I guess I'm giving the beneficience of man too much credit, but the fact that there is a method of resisting the scariest **** around, namely magic and mind control, you would think word would spread about it no? You would think that every nobel ever would want this training so they don't need fear magic, and can keep their shinies even if a blood mage happens to wander upon them.

If it's not dependent on lyrium, why don't more (any) non-templar have templar capabilities? Why don't the Grey Wardens adopt this training?

[_Somebody]

PantheraOnca wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

PantheraOnca wrote...

Although, if the resistance isn't lyrium based the Chantry has no good reason to not be teaching everybody these techniques.

Except for the reason that Alistair gave in Origins. Having an army be dependant on you is a handy means of control.

Ok, fine.

But I mean, if its not dependent on lyrium, Alistar CAN'T have been the first one to notice in the last 700 or whatever years, right?

I mean, I guess I'm giving the beneficience of man too much credit, but the fact that there is a method of resisting the scariest **** around, namely magic and mind control, you would think word would spread about it no? You would think that every nobel ever would want this training so they don't need fear magic, and can keep their shinies even if a blood mage happens to wander upon them.

If it's not dependent on lyrium, why don't more (any) non-templar have templar capabilities? Why don't the Grey Wardens adopt this training?

He tells you that the Chantry tries to keep these abilities secrect, and just to their templars. They keep control on their templars by giving them lyrium, which is addicting. People join the templars knowing that they will eventually be given lyrium once they take up their arms.

Modifié par Somebody, 07 avril 2011 - 03:19 .