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[The Angry One]

Read the Templar spec description in DA2.
What Alistair said has either been retconned, he was lying or he just has a mutant natural affinity.

[IanPolaris]

The Angry One wrote...

Read the Templar spec description in DA2.
What Alistair said has either been retconned, he was lying or he just has a mutant natural affinity.

I think it's a partial retconn and Alistair did leave himself a way out and in DAO Alistair did have Templar abilities.

My guess if you don't want to say it's a retcon is to say that early on the Templars discovered that Lyrium made some of their abilities work better.  Over time, more and more Templars got addicted to get an 'edge'.  I think this may have happened even before the Templars became part of the Chantry.  Afterwords, the Chantry gained control of the lyrium trade and spread the bit of misinformation that you HAD to take Lyrium to be a Templar.

My guess still is you don't....but it does make your abilities stronger.

-Polaris

[errant_knight]

The Angry One wrote...

Read the Templar spec description in DA2.
What Alistair said has either been retconned, he was lying or he just has a mutant natural affinity.

Heh, yeah, we've been through all that. At the end of the day, we don't know where that leaves us. We don't know if they've changed it for DA2 or if it will change again for the next game. We don't know what else might be at play. We don't know if the changes in DA2 applied only to Hawke because he/she wasn't a templar, had no training, and had no templar buddy to help them learn to do all that stuff without lyrium and to increase their willpower. All we know is that the templar skills for Hawke are different from the skills for Alistair or the warden. We don't know what it means, or if it means anything.

Modifié par errant_knight, 07 avril 2011 - 03:31 .

[Koffeegirl]

IanPolaris wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Read the Templar spec description in DA2.
What Alistair said has either been retconned, he was lying or he just has a mutant natural affinity.

I think it's a partial retconn and Alistair did leave himself a way out and in DAO Alistair did have Templar abilities.

My guess if you don't want to say it's a retcon is to say that early on the Templars discovered that Lyrium made some of their abilities work better.  Over time, more and more Templars got addicted to get an 'edge'.  I think this may have happened even before the Templars became part of the Chantry.  Afterwords, the Chantry gained control of the lyrium trade and spread the bit of misinformation that you HAD to take Lyrium to be a Templar.

My guess still is you don't....but it does make your abilities stronger.

-Polaris

Lol, or Alistair is really  Fiona and maric's son and has magical abiilities lending to his ability to use templar spells without being addicted to lyrium  (this is probably wrong though)

[Koffeegirl]

Koffeegirl wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Read the Templar spec description in DA2.
What Alistair said has either been retconned, he was lying or he just has a mutant natural affinity.

I think it's a partial retconn and Alistair did leave himself a way out and in DAO Alistair did have Templar abilities.

My guess if you don't want to say it's a retcon is to say that early on the Templars discovered that Lyrium made some of their abilities work better.  Over time, more and more Templars got addicted to get an 'edge'.  I think this may have happened even before the Templars became part of the Chantry.  Afterwords, the Chantry gained control of the lyrium trade and spread the bit of misinformation that you HAD to take Lyrium to be a Templar.

My guess still is you don't....but it does make your abilities stronger.

-Polaris

Lol, or Alistair is really  Fiona and maric's son and has magical abiilities lending to his ability to use templar spells without being addicted to lyrium  (this is probably wrong though)

But now that I think about it that doesnt make sense cause the warden and sten and oghren could learn the templar skills as well

[The Angry One]

Skills are different for every class/spec so that isn't saying much.
Arguing what's going to be changed in the future is a little futile, and the description as it is now pretty much says it applies to all Templars in and outside the order, and specifically attributes the magic resistance to the Lyrium in the Templar's system.

[_Somebody]

Koffeegirl wrote...

Lol, or Alistair is really  Fiona and maric's son and has magical abiilities lending to his ability to use templar spells without being addicted to lyrium  (this is probably wrong though)

Maybe hes a dreamer like Feynriel.

[errant_knight]

Koffeegirl wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Read the Templar spec description in DA2.
What Alistair said has either been retconned, he was lying or he just has a mutant natural affinity.

I think it's a partial retconn and Alistair did leave himself a way out and in DAO Alistair did have Templar abilities.

My guess if you don't want to say it's a retcon is to say that early on the Templars discovered that Lyrium made some of their abilities work better.  Over time, more and more Templars got addicted to get an 'edge'.  I think this may have happened even before the Templars became part of the Chantry.  Afterwords, the Chantry gained control of the lyrium trade and spread the bit of misinformation that you HAD to take Lyrium to be a Templar.

My guess still is you don't....but it does make your abilities stronger.

-Polaris

Lol, or Alistair is really  Fiona and maric's son and has magical abiilities lending to his ability to use templar spells without being addicted to lyrium  (this is probably wrong though)

Heh, we've been through that, too , but I'm not going there again except to say that children of elves and humans are human and have no magic elven abilities.

[Raiil]

Well, that settles it; another question we need answered by the devs.

[_Somebody]

Koffeegirl wrote...

But now that I think about it that doesnt make sense cause the warden and sten and oghren could learn the templar skills as well

That doesnt really matter. Its like making Wynne a blood mage.

[The Angry One]

Koffeegirl wrote...

But now that I think about it that doesnt make sense cause the warden and sten and oghren could learn the templar skills as well

Well, maybe they snorted Lyrium without telling Alistair. :happy:
You don't see them do it but you don't see Hawke do it either.

[_Somebody]

errant_knight wrote...

Heh, we've been through that, too , but I'm not going there again except to say that children of elves and humans are human and have no magic elven abilities.

What about Feynriel? Hes a mage.

Modifié par Somebody, 07 avril 2011 - 03:34 .

[errant_knight]

The Angry One wrote...

Skills are different for every class/spec so that isn't saying much.
Arguing what's going to be changed in the future is a little futile, and the description as it is now pretty much says it applies to all Templars in and outside the order, and specifically attributes the magic resistance to the Lyrium in the Templar's system.

This whole topic is about what could happen in future, so there ya go. We got here by wondering if Alistair could have control of templars who weren't dependent on Lyrium as the Chantry's were.

[IanPolaris]

Somebody wrote...

Koffeegirl wrote...

Lol, or Alistair is really  Fiona and maric's son and has magical abiilities lending to his ability to use templar spells without being addicted to lyrium  (this is probably wrong though)

Maybe hes a dreamer like Feynriel.

DId you see Alistair in the fade?  Let's just say, "I really doubt it" and leave it at that.

-Polaris

[Raiil]

It may be that the most basic templar skills can be developed without lyrium, somehow.


Keep in mind that the more impressive skills for templars develop end game, when you and your companions are probably much more powerful than most people in your class/occupation (I know my Amell that fought the Archdemon outstripped the First Enchanter by miles); Alistair may be powerful enough from your journey to develop on his own what others would need lyrium to supplement.

[The Angry One]

errant_knight wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Skills are different for every class/spec so that isn't saying much.
Arguing what's going to be changed in the future is a little futile, and the description as it is now pretty much says it applies to all Templars in and outside the order, and specifically attributes the magic resistance to the Lyrium in the Templar's system.

This whole topic is about what could happen in future, so there ya go. We got here by wondering if Alistair could have control of templars who weren't dependent on Lyrium as the Chantry's were.

Speculation on the plot is one thing, but you're saying we can't rely on information because they might change it later.
As it is now with the information we have, Templars need Lyrium. End of story.

[Koffeegirl]

The Angry One wrote...

Koffeegirl wrote...

But now that I think about it that doesnt make sense cause the warden and sten and oghren could learn the templar skills as well

Well, maybe they snorted Lyrium without telling Alistair. :happy:
You don't see them do it but you don't see Hawke do it either.

Now I have a funny image in my head of Oghren and Sten hiding in the tent with their secret stashes of lyrium....if I could draw I would so make a comic of this.

[errant_knight]

The Angry One wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Skills are different for every class/spec so that isn't saying much.
Arguing what's going to be changed in the future is a little futile, and the description as it is now pretty much says it applies to all Templars in and outside the order, and specifically attributes the magic resistance to the Lyrium in the Templar's system.

This whole topic is about what could happen in future, so there ya go. We got here by wondering if Alistair could have control of templars who weren't dependent on Lyrium as the Chantry's were.

Speculation on the plot is one thing, but you're saying we can't rely on information because they might change it later.
As it is now with the information we have, Templars need Lyrium. End of story.

Uh...okay, for you I guess, but that doesn't mean the rest of us can't continue to discuss possibilities, right?

[KnightofPhoenix]

I personally am more curious about the power of the blood that Avernus develops (and apparently he make several breakthroughs). He does say that wardens drawing power from the taint would allow them to face demons with powers they cannot match, unlike (or better than) blood magic which they know.

So potentially, Wardens could become a more efficient "mage police".

[_Somebody]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I personally am more curious about the power of the blood that Avernus develops (and apparently he make several breakthroughs). He does say that wardens drawing power from the taint would allow them to face demons with powers they cannot match, unlike (or better than) blood magic which they know.

So potentially, Wardens could become a more efficient "mage police".

If you allowed him to continue the research any way he wanted, does he make further breakthroughs? (I told him to be ethical in his research, and he complained about it in that letter)

[errant_knight]

Valentia X wrote...

It may be that the most basic templar skills can be developed without lyrium, somehow.


Keep in mind that the more impressive skills for templars develop end game, when you and your companions are probably much more powerful than most people in your class/occupation (I know my Amell that fought the Archdemon outstripped the First Enchanter by miles); Alistair may be powerful enough from your journey to develop on his own what others would need lyrium to supplement.

That seems like a reasonable hypothesis, and a good way to put the lore of the two games together without dismissing either outright.

[The Angry One]

errant_knight wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Skills are different for every class/spec so that isn't saying much.
Arguing what's going to be changed in the future is a little futile, and the description as it is now pretty much says it applies to all Templars in and outside the order, and specifically attributes the magic resistance to the Lyrium in the Templar's system.

This whole topic is about what could happen in future, so there ya go. We got here by wondering if Alistair could have control of templars who weren't dependent on Lyrium as the Chantry's were.

Speculation on the plot is one thing, but you're saying we can't rely on information because they might change it later.
As it is now with the information we have, Templars need Lyrium. End of story.

Uh...okay, for you I guess, but that doesn't mean the rest of us can't continue to discuss possibilities, right?

Sure, and you might as well discuss the possibility of Asari landing in a spaceship and helping Alistair in exchange for help in kidnapping Qunari.
Point is that it's most likely that Templars need Lyrium and even if they don't, where are you going to find a sizable amount of Templars who aren't addicted to it?

[Koffeegirl]

I really do hope bioware tells us what is going in at the Ferelden Circle though. Meredith and Orsino made me miss the reasonable Irving and Gregoir so much. that Circle's been through enough. They don't need anymore hardship. I like the idea of Alistair or Anora having Templars under their control that aren't addicted to lyrium. It seems to much of a happy thing for the writers to do though.