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[errant_knight]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I personally am more curious about the power of the blood that Avernus develops (and apparently he make several breakthroughs). He does say that wardens drawing power from the taint would allow them to face demons with powers they cannot match, unlike (or better than) blood magic which they know.

So potentially, Wardens could become a more efficient "mage police".

That wouldn't really affect the circle or position of Ferelden vis a vis the Chantry though. And it's blood magic so....

[KnightofPhoenix]

Somebody wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I personally am more curious about the power of the blood that Avernus develops (and apparently he make several breakthroughs). He does say that wardens drawing power from the taint would allow them to face demons with powers they cannot match, unlike (or better than) blood magic which they know.

So potentially, Wardens could become a more efficient "mage police".

If you allowed him to continue the research any way he wanted, does he make further breakthroughs? (I told him to be ethical in his research, and he complained about it in that letter)

That's his letter when you tell him to experiment as much as he wants

" Warden Commander of Ferelden

The last shipment was quite helpful for my research, Commander. If you could double the supply next time, it would prove most efficacious. Additionally, the information regarding the Architect has proven invaluable - we have made several breakthroughs recently. As the Architect surmised, considerable untapped power exists within Grey Warden blood. When properly prepared, its effects can be remarkable. 

But my research has also revealed alarming implications, which I've attached to the old Acanthan cypher. I urge you to send to the First Warden at once.

I will conduct further tests as long as I am able. My documentation is very thorough - if time finally claims me,
others may follow in my footsteps. 

Avernus"

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 07 avril 2011 - 03:50 .

[PantheraOnca]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Because Grey Wardens don't have training, they come with the skills they had. And the Chantry doesn't exactly play nice when it comes to its secrets, people who spread the word that lyrium was for Chantry control would probably be silenced, or declared possesed or somesuch

I find it unlikely that they do not do at least maintainance if not "learn how to [x]" workshops within the order.

Don't forget, that whenever you ask alistar about the GW in origins, the standard response is "well, if they hadn't all been wiped out we'd teach you about [x]" or "i hadn't been in the order long enough to learn about [y]" indicating that there is at least some form of instruction going on.

I can't see the wardens keeping powerful techniques that could benefit them in the fight against darkspawn secret. At least not among their own members.

[Raiil]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I personally am more curious about the power of the blood that Avernus develops (and apparently he make several breakthroughs). He does say that wardens drawing power from the taint would allow them to face demons with powers they cannot match, unlike (or better than) blood magic which they know.

So potentially, Wardens could become a more efficient "mage police".

I can see the recruitment posters now. 'Taint yourself now for the greater good!'


I wonder- would they possibly set up an entirely new branch? I don't see mages wanting to be policed by the Wardens and the Templars.

[KnightofPhoenix]

errant_knight wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I personally am more curious about the power of the blood that Avernus develops (and apparently he make several breakthroughs). He does say that wardens drawing power from the taint would allow them to face demons with powers they cannot match, unlike (or better than) blood magic which they know.

So potentially, Wardens could become a more efficient "mage police".

That wouldn't really affect the circle or position of Ferelden vis a vis the Chantry though. And it's blood magic so....

If push comes to shove, the Wardens in Amaranthine can have a new role.
Considering how the First Warden wants to expand Warden political power, I don't see him minding expanding the role of the Order.

And blood happens to be cheaper and much easier to use than Lyrium. What that could do however is ruin Orzammar.

[errant_knight]

Koffeegirl wrote...

I really do hope bioware tells us what is going in at the Ferelden Circle though. Meredith and Orsino made me miss the reasonable Irving and Gregoir so much. that Circle's been through enough. They don't need anymore hardship. I like the idea of Alistair or Anora having Templars under their control that aren't addicted to lyrium. It seems to much of a happy thing for the writers to do though.

Heh, right. So I guess that won't happen. Still, I can't see things going the way of Kirkwall in Ferelden, though. Too much mutual respect created while battling the blight and before.

[tmp7704]

errant_knight wrote...

Yeah, we probably shouldn't forget the thaig that's older than dwarves have history. I can only think of one reason that dwarves don't have records of that, and it's because they really, really don't want to remember.

Speaking of which, there's interesting tidbit from the broken golem in DA2, how "The Stone lives under Orlais." Wonder where they're going with that...

[_Somebody]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

That's his letter when you tell him to experiment as much as he wants

" Warden Commander of Ferelden

The last shipment was quite helpful for my research, Commander. If you could double the supply next time, it would prove most efficacious. Additionally, the information regarding the Architect has proven invaluable - we have made several breakthroughs recently. As the Architect surmised, considerable untapped power exists within Grey
Warden blood. When properly prepared, its effects can be remarkable. 

But my research has also revealing alarming implications, which I've attached to the old Acanthan cypher. I urge you to send to the First Warden at once.

I will conduct further tests as long as I am able. My documentation is very thorough - if time finally claims me,
others may follow in my footsteps. 

Avernus"

By shipments, does he mean people?

I think I may do this in my next DAO run. I'd like to know just what hes found.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Somebody wrote...
By shipments, does he mean people?

I think I may do this in my next DAO run. I'd like to know just what hes found.

Probably. I'd send him ghouls personally. They're tainted and they're as good as dead (and they might taint others), might as well be useful. And Ferelden (and Amaranthine) should have a few here and there. 

That or the shipment refers to actual Wardens.

[Mnemnosyne]

The Angry One wrote...

Speculation on the plot is one thing, but you're saying we can't rely on information because they might change it later.
As it is now with the information we have, Templars need Lyrium. End of story.

As far as I know, there's no such information given.  There's no time when we're told 'all templars need lyrium and Alistair was lying'.  We have an absolute example of a templar who does not need lyrium in Alistair, and nothing in the story that clearly changes his explanation.  At best, lyrium makes a templar's talents more effective.  Maybe.

[Raiil]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I personally am more curious about the power of the blood that Avernus develops (and apparently he make several breakthroughs). He does say that wardens drawing power from the taint would allow them to face demons with powers they cannot match, unlike (or better than) blood magic which they know.

So potentially, Wardens could become a more efficient "mage police".

That wouldn't really affect the circle or position of Ferelden vis a vis the Chantry though. And it's blood magic so....

If push comes to shove, the Wardens in Amaranthine can have a new role.
Considering how the First Warden wants to expand Warden political power, I don't see him minding expanding the role of the Order.

And blood happens to be cheaper and much easier to use than Lyrium. What that could do however is ruin Orzammar.

Wouldn't they still do decent with the mages needing lyrium? 

That does make one wonder how much lyrium a templar uses daily, or weekly. 

[errant_knight]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I personally am more curious about the power of the blood that Avernus develops (and apparently he make several breakthroughs). He does say that wardens drawing power from the taint would allow them to face demons with powers they cannot match, unlike (or better than) blood magic which they know.

So potentially, Wardens could become a more efficient "mage police".

That wouldn't really affect the circle or position of Ferelden vis a vis the Chantry though. And it's blood magic so....

If push comes to shove, the Wardens in Amaranthine can have a new role.
Considering how the First Warden wants to expand Warden political power, I don't see him minding expanding the role of the Order.

And blood happens to be cheaper and much easier to use than Lyrium. What that could do however is ruin Orzammar.

Gregoire might agree to work under crown supervision, but he's not going to tolerate open use of blood magic, not even from wardens. I don't think Alistair would be too happy about it, either.

[Herr Uhl]

tmp7704 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Yeah, we probably shouldn't forget the thaig that's older than dwarves have history. I can only think of one reason that dwarves don't have records of that, and it's because they really, really don't want to remember.

Speaking of which, there's interesting tidbit from the broken golem in DA2, how "The Stone lives under Orlais." Wonder where they're going with that...

Kal'Sharok is in Orlais (or maybe Tevinter). The story might be going there.

[_Somebody]

Herr Uhl wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Yeah, we probably shouldn't forget the thaig that's older than dwarves have history. I can only think of one reason that dwarves don't have records of that, and it's because they really, really don't want to remember.

Speaking of which, there's interesting tidbit from the broken golem in DA2, how "The Stone lives under Orlais." Wonder where they're going with that...

Kal'Sharok is in Orlais (or maybe Tevinter). The story might be going there.

Kal'Sharok doesnt have access to the surface though. You have to go through the deep roads to get to it.

Modifié par Somebody, 07 avril 2011 - 03:51 .

[errant_knight]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Somebody wrote...
By shipments, does he mean people?

I think I may do this in my next DAO run. I'd like to know just what hes found.

Probably. I'd send him ghouls personally. They're tainted and they're as good as dead (and they might taint others), might as well be useful. And Ferelden (and Amaranthine) should have a few here and there. 

That or the shipment refers to actual Wardens.

I can't see them tying anything in the game to this as Avernus is so often dead.

[Raiil]

errant_knight wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I personally am more curious about the power of the blood that Avernus develops (and apparently he make several breakthroughs). He does say that wardens drawing power from the taint would allow them to face demons with powers they cannot match, unlike (or better than) blood magic which they know.

So potentially, Wardens could become a more efficient "mage police".

That wouldn't really affect the circle or position of Ferelden vis a vis the Chantry though. And it's blood magic so....

If push comes to shove, the Wardens in Amaranthine can have a new role.
Considering how the First Warden wants to expand Warden political power, I don't see him minding expanding the role of the Order.

And blood happens to be cheaper and much easier to use than Lyrium. What that could do however is ruin Orzammar.

Gregoire might agree to work under crown supervision, but he's not going to tolerate open use of blood magic, not even from wardens. I don't think Alistair would be too happy about it, either.

I don't think a lot of mages would be happy with it, when it comes down to it. Just because they have the potential to use it doesn't mean they're cool with it. Blood mages can kill or use them just as easily as a non-mage.

[The Angry One]

Koyasha wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Speculation on the plot is one thing, but you're saying we can't rely on information because they might change it later.
As it is now with the information we have, Templars need Lyrium. End of story.

As far as I know, there's no such information given.  There's no time when we're told 'all templars need lyrium and Alistair was lying'.  We have an absolute example of a templar who does not need lyrium in Alistair, and nothing in the story that clearly changes his explanation.  At best, lyrium makes a templar's talents more effective.  Maybe.

We're told so explicitly throughout the Templar spec description.
If this weren't so why would they place this new, specific information in DA2?

[KnightofPhoenix]

errant_knight wrote...
Gregoire might agree to work under crown supervision, but he's not going to tolerate open use of blood magic, not even from wardens. I don't think Alistair would be too happy about it, either.

Hence "if push comes to shove" and the Templars, for reason of their fanatical religiosity for which they are recruited, refuse to submit to the crown. This would be an alternative.  

[KnightofPhoenix]

errant_knight wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Somebody wrote...
By shipments, does he mean people?

I think I may do this in my next DAO run. I'd like to know just what hes found.

Probably. I'd send him ghouls personally. They're tainted and they're as good as dead (and they might taint others), might as well be useful. And Ferelden (and Amaranthine) should have a few here and there. 

That or the shipment refers to actual Wardens.

I can't see them tying anything in the game to this as Avernus is so often dead.

Avernus doesn't need to live. If Bioware wants to explore power of the blood, they'd bring a new one to do it. The importance of the implications that are hinted at in his letter seems to indicate that Bioware wants to go somewhere with the idea of the taint and the powers that can be unlocked.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 07 avril 2011 - 03:54 .

[Herr Uhl]

Somebody wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Yeah, we probably shouldn't forget the thaig that's older than dwarves have history. I can only think of one reason that dwarves don't have records of that, and it's because they really, really don't want to remember.

Speaking of which, there's interesting tidbit from the broken golem in DA2, how "The Stone lives under Orlais." Wonder where they're going with that...

Kal'Sharok is in Orlais (or maybe Tevinter). The story might be going there.

Kal'Sharok doesnt have access to the surface though. You have to go through the deep roads to get to it.

They have free access to the surface now. Otherwise they wouldn't be known at all.

[Mnemnosyne]

The Angry One wrote...

We're told so explicitly throughout the Templar spec description.
If this weren't so why would they place this new, specific information in DA2?

You mean the specializations that are completely ignored by all story aspects and all characters throughout the entirety of the game and never come up except to give new abilities to click?  Those would pretty much seem to count toward the actual story about as much as impaling yourself with your staff in front of templars and casting hemorrhage or blood slave does.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I've heard that if the Harrowmont fugitive is spared, he seeks to go to Kal'Sharok. Seems to me that it can be accessed from the surface, though perhaps not as easily as Orzammar.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 07 avril 2011 - 04:00 .

[tmp7704]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Kal'Sharok is in Orlais (or maybe Tevinter).

On the map it seems to be between Orlais and Anderfels. So given that i think it may be something else... especially since we already knew since DAO Kal-Sharok didn't fall, so it's not something worth teasing about in such manner.

[The Angry One]

Koyasha wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

We're told so explicitly throughout the Templar spec description.
If this weren't so why would they place this new, specific information in DA2?

You mean the specializations that are completely ignored by all story aspects and all characters throughout the entirety of the game and never come up except to give new abilities to click?  Those would pretty much seem to count toward the actual story about as much as impaling yourself with your staff in front of templars and casting hemorrhage or blood slave does.

The specs themselves are ignored, but I see no reason why the descriptions behind these specs aren't part of the lore. The Templar one in particular contains new information on specifically how the ingested Lyrium gives a Templar power and magical resistance.

[errant_knight]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Somebody wrote...
By shipments, does he mean people?

I think I may do this in my next DAO run. I'd like to know just what hes found.

Probably. I'd send him ghouls personally. They're tainted and they're as good as dead (and they might taint others), might as well be useful. And Ferelden (and Amaranthine) should have a few here and there. 

That or the shipment refers to actual Wardens.

I can't see them tying anything in the game to this as Avernus is so often dead.

Avernus doesn't need to live. If Bioware wants to explore power of the blood, they'd bring a new one to do it. The importance of the implications that are hinted at in his letter seems to indicate that Bioware wants to go somewhere with the idea of the taint and the powers that can be unlocked.

Oh, I see where you're going with this. Well, if we go back to having a game with choices, maybe there could be a choice between making the templars into allies of the crown or the wardens, in some capacity. Personally, I think that templars would be the safer long term choice.