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[Maria Caliban]

thurmanator692 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

What interests me is, given the Circle uprisings, the Ferelden Circle is more likely to side with Ferelden while the others will be pretty much on their own, making the relatively weakest country (thanks to the Blight) the strongest in the war.

But if this happens, that will most certainly earn them an exalted march, making them Thedas' most wanted.

Have fun pulling an Exalted March when your own Circles are in revolt, your military has left you, and the qunari are at your back.

[TobiTobsen]

thurmanator692 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

What interests me is, given the Circle uprisings, the Ferelden Circle is more likely to side with Ferelden while the others will be pretty much on their own, making the relatively weakest country (thanks to the Blight) the strongest in the war.

But if this happens, that will most certainly earn them an exalted march, making them Thedas' most wanted.

And who exactly will they send? Their military is in open revolt. No templars for this exalted march.

[Wulfram]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Have fun pulling an Exalted March when your own Circles are in revolt, your military has left you, and the qunari are at your back.

I'm sure Orlais would be happy to oblige, if the Divine chose to make them reclaiming their recalcitrant province a holy duty.

[sphinxess]

thurmanator692 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

What interests me is, given the Circle uprisings, the Ferelden Circle is more likely to side with Ferelden while the others will be pretty much on their own, making the relatively weakest country (thanks to the Blight) the strongest in the war.

But if this happens, that will most certainly earn them an exalted march, making them Thedas' most wanted.

I can't remember the source, but someone did a breakdown of the CGI trailer for DA2 and said one of the scenes depicted Grey Wardens fighting a Templar army. Implications interesting...

Once it gets out Anders is a Grey Warden mage - yes the whole order is in trouble - interesting indeed

[Iosev]

This is slightly off-topic, but in regards to Ferelden's Circle, it is to my understanding that the boon of freeing the Circle from the Templars was denied by the Chantry, but in regards to the Ultimate Sacrifice ending, is a new Tower still built, or was that denied as well (i.e., the tower with the Warden's statue)?

Modifié par arcelonious, 06 avril 2011 - 08:16 .

[errant_knight]

Wulfram wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Have fun pulling an Exalted March when your own Circles are in revolt, your military has left you, and the qunari are at your back.

I'm sure Orlais would be happy to oblige, if the Divine chose to make them reclaiming their recalcitrant province a holy duty.

Some of the nobles want that, anyway. Alistair thinks Celene would like to preserve the peace, but it sounded like she might be having some issues. I wonder who the target was of the attempted assasination? Celene, maybe? In an attempt to frame Ferelden for her murder and start the war?

[The Angry One]

Wulfram wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Have fun pulling an Exalted March when your own Circles are in revolt, your military has left you, and the qunari are at your back.

I'm sure Orlais would be happy to oblige, if the Divine chose to make them reclaiming their recalcitrant province a holy duty.

As the center of the Chantry and home of the Divine I think Orlais will be having it's hands full defending from the mages.

[Kenshen]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Is Orlais still planning the invasion if Loghain is still kicking? I wouldn't if I were them. You don't **** around with the Hero of River Dane

 That would go agianst the GW motto of not getting involved in policital stuff.  They only deal with darkspawn.  I bet that would be really tough for Loghain to accept.

[rayvioletta]

KJandrew wrote...

I thought David said that the chantry told Alistair to "bugger off"

I'm sure I read a quote from him saying the same, yet the game disagrees

I played through Origins as a mage and put Alistair and Anora on the throne together. during the post-coronation I asked Anora to grant the boon of freeing the Circle. she did so. I saved the game and imported that save game (rather than the automatic epilogue save) into DA2. note that I ported the Origins save straight into DA2, no Awakening or DLC

the bartender in the Hanged Man mentions Fereldans Circle is free as one of his rumours
Anders mentions that the Feredlan circle has been freed
King Alistair mentions that it is indeed free and Meredith is not at all happy about that

Modifié par rayvioletta, 06 avril 2011 - 08:20 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

I've never granted the boon, and she says that in all my playthroughs.

But if Alistair is made king, he and Teagan talks about the Templars of Ferelden being hard to control, or some such. Perhaps the Templar rebellion started in Ferelden.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 06 avril 2011 - 08:20 .

[Raiil]

errant_knight wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Have fun pulling an Exalted March when your own Circles are in revolt, your military has left you, and the qunari are at your back.

I'm sure Orlais would be happy to oblige, if the Divine chose to make them reclaiming their recalcitrant province a holy duty.

Some of the nobles want that, anyway. Alistair thinks Celene would like to preserve the peace, but it sounded like she might be having some issues. I wonder who the target was of the attempted assasination? Celene, maybe? In an attempt to frame Ferelden for her murder and start the war?

There are other things to consider. If the Warden is automatically on Alistair/Anora's side on the matter, the Wardens might get pissy about you trying to attack one of their own. They might not, of couse, and consider it a necessary sacrifice... although if Amaranthine is attacked, that's a whole different kettle of fish.

It wouldn't be too difficult to rally Ferelden, though. The Orlesian occupation didn't end all that long ago, time wise, and it would be incredibly easy for a ruler to spin it as 'they're looking to attack Ferelden citizens under the guise of religion and conquer us again!' The average Ferelden would probably be like 'How very dare you!' and make life for any 'visitor' a living hell.

And Ferelden, at the moment, has an army with battle-hardened soldiers from their experiences with the Blight. The Dalish might be induced to side with them under the pretext of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend.' The mages, of course, are probably going to side with whomever isn't going to lock them up in a tower. If the mages fought for Denerim, not only do they probably have some credit from other citizens, they have practical knowledge of how to melt faces, having done this song and dance before.

I'm not saying Ferelden can win. I am saying that they can deal some merry hell while fighting, and the Chantry- having lost their mages, their templars, and probably suffering from some bad pr due to Meredith- would be in for a serious fight.

[The Angry One]

I'm not sure about the Qunari. With the Arishok dead, they get their precious relic back.
I think they'd be more concerned about Anders using an explosive to set off a magic bomb. "A saarebas used gaatlok for WHAT!?"

[Maria Caliban]

Wulfram wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Have fun pulling an Exalted March when your own Circles are in revolt, your military has left you, and the qunari are at your back.

I'm sure Orlais would be happy to oblige, if the Divine chose to make them reclaiming their recalcitrant province a holy duty.

If I wrote an Empress/Divine smut, the Empress would definitely be on top.

The current Divine is in a horrible position politically. She's unpopular, her reign has seen massive upheaval, and her base of power (Orlais) is ruled by someone who seems more interested in the sciences and arts than religion.

If Orlais' army moves, it will be because the Empress thinks this is a good thing, not because the Divine says it's the Maker's will.

[The Angry One]

Maria Caliban wrote...

If I wrote an Empress/Divine smut, the Empress would definitely be on top.

[EmperorSahlertz]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Wow, I hadn't realised the magnitude of the ****storm Hawke kicked up untill Maria Caliban made that point. The Qunari are undoubtably going to be calling for blood after the death of one of its top three leaders, apparently mages everywhere are going freedom fighter, and theres no telling what they kicked up in the deep roads

Except it wasn't Hawke who did it. But the entire world believe it was him. Cassandra believed that Hawke came to Kirkwall (with his entire party even) intend on destroying the Chantry. Varric sets her straight, but concludes that Hawke was the catalyst, not the instigator.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 06 avril 2011 - 08:26 .

[Raiil]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Have fun pulling an Exalted March when your own Circles are in revolt, your military has left you, and the qunari are at your back.

I'm sure Orlais would be happy to oblige, if the Divine chose to make them reclaiming their recalcitrant province a holy duty.

If I wrote an Empress/Divine smut, the Empress would definitely be on top.

The current Divine is in a horrible position politically. She's unpopular, her reign has seen massive upheaval, and her base of power (Orlais) is ruled by someone who seems more interested in the sciences and arts than religion.

If Orlais' army moves, it will be because the Empress thinks this is a good thing, not because the Divine says it's the Maker's will.

The Stolen Throne indicated that the Chantry heirarchy is very tangled in Orlesian pollitics, they wouldn't put Meghren on the Ferelden throne untill the Chantry declared that it was the will of the Maker

And that's the other knot, because it seemed to me that the will of the Maker and the will of the very Orlesian Divine were, coincidentally, one and the same. 


I wonder- how often is there a Divine who isn't Orlesian? Because she's very, er papal, and I always envisioned it ran the way the Popes do- usually Italian, though there are blips on the radar from time to time.

[_Somebody]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Have fun pulling an Exalted March when your own Circles are in revolt, your military has left you, and the qunari are at your back.

I'm sure Orlais would be happy to oblige, if the Divine chose to make them reclaiming their recalcitrant province a holy duty.

If I wrote an Empress/Divine smut, the Empress would definitely be on top.

The current Divine is in a horrible position politically. She's unpopular, her reign has seen massive upheaval, and her base of power (Orlais) is ruled by someone who seems more interested in the sciences and arts than religion.

If Orlais' army moves, it will be because the Empress thinks this is a good thing, not because the Divine says it's the Maker's will.

The Stolen Throne indicated that the Chantry heirarchy is very tangled in Orlesian pollitics, they wouldn't put Meghren on the Ferelden throne untill the Chantry declared that it was the will of the Maker

There was a different Emperor then. Celene doesnt seem like she cares as much about the Chantry.

[errant_knight]

Yeah, we probably shouldn't forget the thaig that's older than dwarves have history. I can only think of one reason that dwarves don't have records of that, and it's because they really, really don't want to remember.

Interesting point about the templar rebellion possibly starting in Ferelden. Even if the circle is still under control, if Alistair is denying templars the right to take apostates, I can see some taking matters into their own hands and the situation escalating.

Ferelden may be a small country, but they're known for being tenacious and pulling off surprising things. They do have a country full of people who fought the blight, a bunch of grateful mages, and a populace that's none too fond of Orlais. I can see them pulling it off. And if Alistair decided to establish a Ferelden Chantry rather than continue to follow the Orlesian one, there might not be all that much resistance. He's very popular, he was a templar, and if Orlais is threatening Ferelden....

Modifié par errant_knight, 06 avril 2011 - 08:34 .