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[errant_knight]

Yeah, I just don't see the majority of mages wanting to blow up chantries, or anything more than just be free. Even Anders thought it was a crappy thing to do and did it mainly to make sure that Hawke couldn't keep the peace, not because he hated the people inside.

Modifié par errant_knight, 06 avril 2011 - 09:02 .

[The Angry One]

AshenEndemion wrote...

Just because it's not disputed doesn't mean it's true...

I think if someone who works for the Chantry doesn't dispute that it's military arm has gone rogue it's pretty much true.

[AshenEndymion]

The Angry One wrote...

AshenEndemion wrote...

Just because it's not disputed doesn't mean it's true...

I think if someone who works for the Chantry doesn't dispute that it's military arm has gone rogue it's pretty much true.

Yes.  Because it's important for a person who wants to hear a story from Varric to dispute information not relevant to the story.

[_Somebody]

errant_knight wrote...

Yeah, I just don't see the majority of mages wanting to blow up chantries, or anything more than just be free. Even Anders thought it was a crappy thing to do and did it mainly to make sure that Hawke couldn't keep the peace, not because he hated the people inside.

Well a guy can dream, cant he?

I thought that maybe they wanted to get rid of the Chantry, but it makes more sense I suppose (and is more reasonable) that they'd want to reform it to prevent oppression against mages. 

Modifié par Somebody, 06 avril 2011 - 09:06 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Angry One wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

They also have a Metric ****ton of templars, i don't have very high hopes for a rebellious Orlesian Circle. and if its the same First Enchanter from The Calling, I don't see them being too excited for revolution

The Templars who have, again, revolted.

Yeah they rebelled. To kill mages. I think that works out fine for Orlais in this case.

[The Angry One]

thurmanator692 wrote...

I more took that as their
basically fighting the mages regardless of the Chantry's approval, this
makes the mage revolt even less of an issue in Orlais

Having your entire military go rogue to fight a war on their terms without any say from you is really, REALLY bad.

AshenEndemion wrote...

Yes.  Because it's important for a person who wants to hear a story from Varric to dispute information not relevant to the story.

Varric: Even your own Templars have turned against the Chantry!
Cassandra: If you start lying now I'll reconsider letting you go, fool!

And the plot moves on.

[Raiil]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

They also have a Metric ****ton of templars, i don't have very high hopes for a rebellious Orlesian Circle. and if its the same First Enchanter from The Calling, I don't see them being too excited for revolution

The Templars who have, again, revolted.

Yeah they rebelled. To kill mages. I think that works out fine for Orlais in this case.

Where's it stated that they all went rogue mage-hunter?

[AshenEndymion]

thurmanator692 wrote...

AshenEndemion wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

AshenEndemion wrote...

Just because it's not disputed doesn't mean it's true...

I think if someone who works for the Chantry doesn't dispute that it's military arm has gone rogue it's pretty much true.

Yes.  Because it's important for a person who wants to hear a story from Varric to dispute information not relevant to the story.

They wouldn't have put it in the dialouge if it meant absolutely nothing

I didn't say it meant nothing.  I said it wasn't necessarily true.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Varric: "Didn't the Templars rebel aswell? I thought you abbandoned the Chantry to hunt the mages" Not the exact wording but to that effect.
Seems like the Chantry tried to prevent a war, the Templars didn't listen.

[Rovay]

Valentia X wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

They also have a Metric ****ton of templars, i don't have very high hopes for a rebellious Orlesian Circle. and if its the same First Enchanter from The Calling, I don't see them being too excited for revolution

The Templars who have, again, revolted.

Yeah they rebelled. To kill mages. I think that works out fine for Orlais in this case.

Where's it stated that they all went rogue mage-hunter?

I think Varric says that in the epilogue.

[Rifneno]

AshenEndemion wrote...

I didn't say it meant nothing.  I said it wasn't necessarily true.

I'd say you're gonna need a better case for that than "Varric might be lying for no particular reason."  They put that dialogue in for a reason.  If you want to say the reason isn't what we think, that's fine, but you can't expect to give no alternative reason at all and have people say "ok, I guess you're right."

[_Somebody]

Rovay wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

They also have a Metric ****ton of templars, i don't have very high hopes for a rebellious Orlesian Circle. and if its the same First Enchanter from The Calling, I don't see them being too excited for revolution

The Templars who have, again, revolted.

Yeah they rebelled. To kill mages. I think that works out fine for Orlais in this case.

Where's it stated that they all went rogue mage-hunter?

I think Varric says that in the epilogue.

I cant imagine that they all went after the mages though. The templars were everywhere in their opinions. You had templars like Ser Alrik who hated mages and wanted to make them all tranquil, then those like Ser Thrask who sympathise with them and wanted to work together. 

[The Angry One]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Not if you manage to puppet the Orlesians into doing the fighting in Ferelden for you. The Divine doesn't give a toss about the Mages, her templars going buck wild and killing the lot of them makes her job easier

Assuming the Orlesians would be so stupid as to send troops to fight a war while templars and mages are causing chaos in their own lands.
Templars going rogue to fight mages is not a good thing, it means that the Chantry didn't want them to or wanted to limit them and they did so anyway. Hell, Orlais' chevaliers and such are probably busy keeping Templars from harassing citizens in their search for mages.

[AshenEndymion]

The Angry One wrote...

AshenEndemion wrote...

Yes.  Because it's important for a person who wants to hear a story from Varric to dispute information not relevant to the story.

Varric: Even your own Templars have turned against the Chantry!
Cassandra: If you start lying now I'll reconsider letting you go, fool!

And the plot moves on.

I'm confused.  Does this dispute that Varric's statement is relevant to the story he's telling Cassandra?  Because it doesn't look like it.

If it isn't true, and if it isn't relevant to the story he's telling Cassandra, why would she dispute it?  Getting into a debate over present-day events doesn't really help if all she wants is to hear the story so she can find Hawke, right?

Modifié par AshenEndemion, 06 avril 2011 - 09:19 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Somebody wrote...

Rovay wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

They also have a Metric ****ton of templars, i don't have very high hopes for a rebellious Orlesian Circle. and if its the same First Enchanter from The Calling, I don't see them being too excited for revolution

The Templars who have, again, revolted.

Yeah they rebelled. To kill mages. I think that works out fine for Orlais in this case.

Where's it stated that they all went rogue mage-hunter?

I think Varric says that in the epilogue.

I cant imagine that they all went after the mages though. The templars were everywhere in their opinions. You had templars like Ser Alrik who hated mages and wanted to make them all tranquil, then those like Ser Thrask who sympathise with them and wanted to work together. 

They were indeed. Then mages rose up "and set the world on fire" seems like many Templars decided that those mage sons of marbaris needed to be put down like the maddogs they are.

[EmperorSahlertz]

AshenEndemion wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

AshenEndemion wrote...

Yes.  Because it's important for a person who wants to hear a story from Varric to dispute information not relevant to the story.

Varric: Even your own Templars have turned against the Chantry!
Cassandra: If you start lying now I'll reconsider letting you go, fool!

And the plot moves on.

I'm confused.  Does this dispute that Varric's statement is relevant to the story he's telling Cassandra?  Because it doesn't look like it.

If it isn't true, and if it isn't relevant to the story he's telling Cassandra, why would she dispute it?  Getting into a debate over present-day events really help if all she wants is to hear the story so she can find Hawke, right?

It wouldn't make sense from a storytelling point of view. Why on earth would the writers of Dragon Age put in a blatant lie like that, in an epilogue? Just give up. The Templars have rebelled to hunt mages.

[Raiil]

'to hunt the mages' seemed to infer that the Seekers are- not the templars. It's not stated specifically, at least I heard it, that the templars themselves are necessarily going awol to do what the Chantry would be telling them to do in the first place.

[The Angry One]

AshenEndemion wrote...


I'm confused.  Does this dispute that Varric's statement is relevant to the story he's telling Cassandra?  Because it doesn't look like it.

If it isn't true, and if it isn't relevant to the story he's telling Cassandra, why would she dispute it?  Getting into a debate over present-day events doesn't really help if all she wants is to hear the story so she can find Hawke, right?

If Varric is lying about that, he could be lying about anything.
Remember that when Varric starts bull****ing like with the stuff in Bartrand's house, Cassandra immediately calls him on it.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Valentia X wrote...

'to hunt the mages' seemed to infer that the Seekers are- not the templars. It's not stated specifically, at least I heard it, that the templars themselves are necessarily going awol to do what the Chantry would be telling them to do in the first place.

To the layman Seekers and Templars are the same. Which is probably why Varric asks why Cassandra even cares.

[AshenEndymion]

The Angry One wrote...

AshenEndemion wrote...


I'm confused.  Does this dispute that Varric's statement is relevant to the story he's telling Cassandra?  Because it doesn't look like it.

If it isn't true, and if it isn't relevant to the story he's telling Cassandra, why would she dispute it?  Getting into a debate over present-day events doesn't really help if all she wants is to hear the story so she can find Hawke, right?

If Varric is lying about that, he could be lying about anything.
Remember that when Varric starts bull****ing like with the stuff in Bartrand's house, Cassandra immediately calls him on it.

I didn't say Varric was lying.  I said it's not necissarily the truth.

The world of Thedas, or atleast the Seekers, think that Hawke caused the events in Kirkwall, right?  They are not lying when they say such a thing.  But it's not the truth.  There is a difference.

The lack of a dispute does not mean that what was said was the truth... only that there was no dispute.