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[Twulfster]

Hey!
I apologise firstly for the rather short entry here but I just wanted to sound off on my enjoyment of Dragon Age 2.

I'm urged to post because I feel disappointed by the harsh and unfair reception the 'fans' seem to be giving the game and I'm finding it maddening to see a far from medicore game recieve a constant savage beating.

We are all of us entitled to our own opinions and I'm glad we seem to atleast acknowledge and understand that amoungst ourselves. However I wonder if perhaps too many of us are diluting our overall experience with the game in favour of playing up the parts we didn't expect or didn't enjoy.

I've been a steady fan of BioWare from NeverWinter Nights onwards, so I may not be as old school as others here but I but I know stellar game design when I see it, and I'd stick my neck out to say that Modern-Bioware are a prime example of a direction worth exploring in gaming. 

To those of us who love and adore Dragon Age Origins, I'd ask you to really think about the major differences between these two games. It's a personal story told in a style that Bioware have refined and begun to master.

Sure, it's maybe not an Epic like Origins was- but was it ever advertised to be a homage to the adventure games of old, like Origins was?
I've a terrible memory but I'm fairfly confident that angle was never one used to hype Dragon Age 2, because it's a game set in the same universe, not an expansion pack. I wonder if maybe people expected something we were never promised, and that maybe more of us should just enjoy the 50 hours we get for our money?

Once again, different strokes for different folks and I'd like to remind anyone reading that I'm not here to start a fight and I'm also not interested in insulting anyone elses opinion. I just find myself growing uncomfortable with the 'backlash' surrounding what I feel was well worth my money. It wasn't Dragon Age : Origins v2 but I wasn't expecting that, I got what I expected and I found myself impressed with what was achieved given the limitations in play.

I guess what I want to say is people seem to forget that creative ventures aren't always flawless first time around and that video games can never stay in one place for long- they're one of the only mediums persistently pushed forwards, constantly forced and expected to change and evolve.

Bioware was met with roaring success in Mass Effect and I won't deny there's a fair share of Mass Effect in Dragon Age 2 but please stop claiming it's 'dumbing down' 'lazy' and 'selling out'. I'm a independant Comic Artist; if I came up with a unique way to allow people to read my comics, why would I not apply some of that success across all of my ventures?

Plus, guys. Varric. Varric.

[Twulfster]

Filament wrote...

Oh, so you're not actually a hanar.

Well Actually, I'm a Hanar disguised as a Volus. But Sssh!

[Pacifien]

This one is pleased to read about your enjoyment of Dragon Age 2. This one, however, is disappointed that you did not express your views in the ways of the hanar.

This one also likes your point about not expecting Dragon Age: Origins v2 because this one is a big believer in expectations dictating one's enjoyment of the sequel. This one wishes to say more about that, but this one's keyboard is broken and it makes this one want to CHOKE THE LIFE OUT OF SIX RANDOM PASSERBYS. This one means, um, yeah.

[CroGamer002]

OMG I'm not only one!

[Lotion Soronarr]

Twulfster wrote...
I've been a steady fan of BioWare from NeverWinter Nights onwards, so I may not be as old school as others here but I but I know stellar game design when I see it, and I'd stick my neck out to say that Modern-Bioware are a prime example of a direction worth exploring in gaming.

:lol::lol:....

Stellar game design?
Dear Lord  :D,  *grasps for air* ..:D:lol: .. what a joke.

The more personal story might be a good idea, but the execution (and mechanics, and plot holes, and..pretty much everything else) is such a epic faliure it created a singularity of suck.

DA2 would be the LEST game in the world I'd classify as "stelar design"

[Nimpe]

This one agrees with you and only made this post to start the post with "this one"

Modifié par Nimpe, 06 avril 2011 - 08:36 .

[Twulfster]

Lotion Soronnar! perhaps if you read my entry you'd of seen the line about me not wanting to insult anyones opinion, that goes both ways Mr Emoticon.

[Pacifien]

This one supposes if one were to go to a thread that is negative to DA2 and proclaim "quit yer ****in'," that it is equally valid to then go to a thread positive about DA2 and essentially laugh in the person's face.

No, actually, don't do either and read the Site Rules of Conduct before posting again.

[LiquidGrape]

This one thinks Dragon Age 2 took the considerable intellectual property of its esteemed predecessors into new and exciting places. While the reputable dissenters are free to share their significant opinions on the matter, of course, this one would ask that they do not approach the subject as one of a personal nature, but rather address their concerns in a formal and appropriately detached manner.

....Do you wish to learn about the Enkindlers?

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 06 avril 2011 - 08:41 .

[Norskatt]

*doesn't know why everyone is referring to themselves as 'this one'* But I really liked and enjoyed DA II. I'm on my 4th playthrough and I still find it enjoyable.

[Saphara]

Norskatt wrote...

*doesn't know why everyone is referring to themselves as 'this one'* But I really liked and enjoyed DA II. I'm on my 4th playthrough and I still find it enjoyable.

In ME, hanars refer to themselves as "This one".

This one thinks it's a bit silly, but this one thinks silliness is the spice of life.

[Lord_Valandil]

Twulfster wrote...
Once again, different strokes for different folks and I'd like to remind anyone reading that I'm not here to start a fight and I'm also not interested in insulting anyone elses opinion. I just find myself growing uncomfortable with the 'backlash' surrounding what I feel was well worth my money. It wasn't Dragon Age : Origins v2 but I wasn't expecting that, I got what I expected and I found myself impressed with what was achieved given the limitations in play.

Hm.
I'm wondering why everyone use the same argument "It's not DA: O v2", what's that supposed to mean?
That there aren't Origin stories? Or different races?
That's it not the same game with new environments or characters a la Awakening?
I don't get it.

As for myself, I'm rather pleased with the backlash, which I see as well deserved. With that I don't mean the troll threads, the "fire David Gaider" threads or just hating or flaming threads.
I just can't be thankful after paying full price for a half-baked game, which is also bugged, packed with glitches of every kind and a disappointing story.

Anyway, different people, different points of view.

[CroGamer002]

This one believes that Dragon Age 2 is superior in almost every way then Dragon Age Origins.
This one believes some things about certain fans that could get this one banned so this one will remain silent on that.

[Twulfster]

@Lord_Valandil

Thanks for sharing your differing opinion in a dignified way.

What I personally meant by saying 'DA:O v2' is folks who didn't enjoy DA2 seem to have just wanted a new story and everything else left intact entirely, I'm getting that from the complaints made about the differences between the two games and how 'dumbed down' people claim DA2 is compared to DA:O. It seems the perfect DA2 would have been an expansion pack at the scale of a full game. Hence why I say it's not DA:O v2. That to me, it's a side-story set in the same universe.

[Nimpe]

This one personally loved everything about Dragon Age 2.

[BEARD Shepard]

I also enjoyed the game, i dont care about most of the flaws people pointed out, i enkoyed tha game and thats all that matters to me

[1000questions]

This one thinks that this forum is more about hanar's culture than DA2. However this one has taken note of the point the other one made.

This one also wants to know what is wrong with expecting the key elements of DA:O intact in further sequels of DA franchise.After all why would DA fans buy something like DA2 if it is very different from its predecessor ?

[Pacifien]

Lord_Valandil wrote...
Hm.
I'm wondering why everyone use the same argument "It's not DA: O v2", what's that supposed to mean?
That there aren't Origin stories? Or different races?
That's it not the same game with new environments or characters a la Awakening?
I don't get it.

For me, saying it's not Origins v2 has to do with it having a distinctly different story structure than what people were used to seeing in the first game. It had a different design to combat. A new stylistic approach to the artwork. It approached how you use your main character differently than the first game. And these are things that were never hidden by the game developers as changing while going into the second game.

It is, however, set in the same setting as the original Dragon Age game. Do it gets the Dragon Age name due to setting, but adding the II after it probably sets people up for the wrong impression of what they're getting. Not a game where you wander the wide expanse of Ferelden and have a clear final goal in mind. Rather, it's a shorter game that concentrates on how you develop a hero over time.

[Crash_7]

This one loves both games.


... but this one is not a fan of this ones universe, even though this one tried real hard to enjoy it.

Modifié par Crash_7, 06 avril 2011 - 09:05 .

[ItsToofy]

1000questions wrote...

This one thinks that this forum is more about hanar's culture than DA2. However this one has taken note of the point the other one made.

This one also wants to know what is wrong with expecting the key elements of DA:O intact in further sequels of DA franchise.After all why would DA fans buy something like DA2 if it is very different from its predecessor ?

This one agrees.

[Pacifien]

1000questions wrote...
This one also wants to know what is wrong with expecting the key elements of DA:O intact in further sequels of DA franchise.After all why would DA fans buy something like DA2 if it is very different from its predecessor ?

That depends on what you feel are the necessary key elements to maintain a Dragon Age game. It has the Dragon Age setting if not the original game's gameplay and story design. So the question here is whether setting is enough to be considered a sequel or is continuity of gameplay design critical? 'Cause on that latter part, I personally feel no.

[Twulfster]

@1000questions

That's a good point! I just feel that everything core to the original experience is already intact and remaining in DA2.

I can also admit that those similarities that do exist between the two, are often not anywhere near as deep in DA2 and they were in DA:O but they're all each still there- skill-trees, pause/tactics combat, inventory, dialogue options, crafting, enchantments, location jumping from map.
All those 'bare bones' elements that composed Origins are in 2, atleast; everything I expected to make the jump to sequel.

Then instead of expanding on all of those elements we were given attempts to retune and define those elements to make a more cinematic experience which I felt was successful(not without faults but successful as an overall gaming experience)but clearly didn't work for many, many other people.

Also this one agrees when debating the destiny of the thread.

[ItsToofy]

Pacifien wrote...

1000questions wrote...
This one also wants to know what is wrong with expecting the key elements of DA:O intact in further sequels of DA franchise.After all why would DA fans buy something like DA2 if it is very different from its predecessor ?

That depends on what you feel are the necessary key elements to maintain a Dragon Age game. It has the Dragon Age setting if not the original game's gameplay and story design. So the question here is whether setting is enough to be considered a sequel or is continuity of gameplay design critical? 'Cause on that latter part, I personally feel no.

Continuity of gameplay design? i think more along the lines of "Improved or Removed", DA2 had too much removed, not enough improved.

[KommanderLue]

Having never played the first DA, I can't compare the two. That being said, I loved DA2 for pretty much everything except some things about the story.

First off, I really wanted it to be longer . By the time I finished the game, I was still very hungry for more. Moreover, the story was really enjoyable in itself, but the ending was beyond disappointing; I don't want to put 50 odd hours into a game to just end up with a completely inconclusive cutscene with the sole purpose of setting up a sequel.