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[Brockololly]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

So we potentially have a Templar/ Mage all out war, a possible Qunari re-invasion, and maybe the 6th blight. Add toat that the mysterious idol, Flemeth, "the change" and Morrigan.

Well if Dragon Age 2 showed me anything, is that Bioware can't handle several plots / conflicts at the same time properly.

And maybe whatever discovery Avernus has made regarding the Taint. Or maybe all of this stuff comes together at least a little bit and doesn't exist as entirely disparate plots?

[Herr Uhl]

Brockololly wrote...

And maybe whatever discovery Avernus has made regarding the Taint. Or maybe all of this stuff comes together at least a little bit and doesn't exist as entirely disparate plots?

Avernus ought to be a side plot, as it is dependant on DLC. Getting some extra ability for a warden NPC/PC is the most I hope for.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Brockololly wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

So we potentially have a Templar/ Mage all out war, a possible Qunari re-invasion, and maybe the 6th blight. Add toat that the mysterious idol, Flemeth, "the change" and Morrigan.

Well if Dragon Age 2 showed me anything, is that Bioware can't handle several plots / conflicts at the same time properly.

And maybe whatever discovery Avernus has made regarding the Taint. Or maybe all of this stuff comes together at least a little bit and doesn't exist as entirely disparate plots?

Oh and also Awakened darkspawn.

I don't think Avernus' discovery would be a main plot on its own (though it does have the potential). But I don't know.

The writers could create an umbrella plot or theme linking all those plots / conflicts, but I have my doubts after what I've seen.

[The Spirit of Dance]

he has a dragon fetish

[Loc'n'lol]

I doubt there is a blight or a qunari invasion anytime soon in the current timeline. Something's going on with the darkspawn, which seems to be linked with both Avernus and the Architect's respective researches, but it's probably not yet another blight. As for the Qunari, well they've just lost their aishok and recovered the tome of Koslun (or not, we'll see how much of that carries over), so I see no reason why they'd start an invasion now.

[Brockololly]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

And maybe whatever discovery Avernus has made regarding the Taint. Or maybe all of this stuff comes together at least a little bit and doesn't exist as entirely disparate plots?

Avernus ought to be a side plot, as it is dependant on DLC. Getting some extra ability for a warden NPC/PC is the most I hope for.

Well going by the way the note is worded in DA2 from Avernus, it almost seems as if they could just as easily chalk up his research to any possible Warden researching the Taint combined with the Architect's research. If that is going anywhere plot wise in a significant way, that is.

Considering the other hand waving going on, you could easily substitute Avernus for someone else if whatever it is he's uncovered amounts to anything of note, which it might not.

Combined with the stuff on the Warden's interest in the Idol and the Primeval Thaig, plus how Nathaniel insinuates the Warden's new allies, plus what Morrigan says to the Orlesian in Witch Hunt, maybe this stuff comes together in some way that it brings the Wardens back into the picture in a more major plot role?

[blothulfur]

Maybe the Archdemons are awake somewhere in the fade while their physical forms slumber, also wasn't there an old theory that wardens were not dying in their calling but becoming alphas and such if so maybe that is what Avernus dicovered.

I don't suppose really old grey wardens who are strong in the taint could be being captured and slowly twisted into the shape of archdemons in a similar fashion to how brood mothers are created could they, nah too far fetched.

[Torax]

blothulfur wrote...

Maybe the Archdemons are awake somewhere in the fade while their physical forms slumber, also wasn't there an old theory that wardens were not dying in their calling but becoming alphas and such if so maybe that is what Avernus dicovered.

I don't suppose really old grey wardens who are strong in the taint could be being captured and slowly twisted into the shape of archdemons in a similar fashion to how brood mothers are created could they, nah too far fetched.

Supposedly the Old Gods first contacted those that became Magisters in their dreams. This would most likely mean through the Fade by at least how it's presented to the player. Alphas seemed more just like bigger bulky Hurlocks/Genlocks. I don't know if a Grey Warden would become them. If their body is already ages and likely weaker after all.

The lore seems to just ipmly Old Gods are what become Arch Demons. Maybe it's possible for a Mage Warden to become a Dragon and thus an Arch Demon? But even that could be a large leap. It's generally magic being used on Warden Blood that seemed to change it. So maybe that fabled "They only really ever have just one mage" thing could have some weight? I am not sure any of it will end up playing a part in what at least makes a Arch Demon though.

Unless instead what they find out is how to make the last 2 Old Gods immune to the Taint. Which they could then have as a plan back firing and making 2 Arch Demons at once.

Modifié par Torax, 06 avril 2011 - 11:48 .

[Brockololly]

Torax wrote...
Supposedly the Old Gods first contacted those that became Magisters in their dreams. This would most likely mean through the Fade by at least how it's presented to the player.

I wonder if the whole introduction of Feynriel and the notion of "Dreamers" somehow connects to this?

[Lewie]

He said that wardens have dreams about archdemons, when you first speak to him and ask, that part is true, about being a warden and so on. He never said he was having them right now.

Although Anders mind must be pickled still hearing darkspawn, corrupted now by the Architect (who by the way i killed yet he is alive even with my save import), justice, vengenance and rage for templars and the chantry.

If darkspawn can now speak and reason, how does that affect wardens who hear. Wardens are now running to the free marches because of an imminent war, not much clue who. Pirates and raiders are slamming the coast and the qunari yet if wardens don't involve in politics there is a threat of what?

[Emperor Iaius I]

supremebloodwolf wrote...

he has a dragon fetish

This.

Who wouldn't dream of that sexy beast?

[Lewie]

It seems to me even more that the Architect and Anders are full of it. Any demon will encourage magic, no matter where from. I killed the Architect for the simple reason of not dealing with a demon of any kind, shape or form. My botched save though has shown me the opposite, leave him to 'give freedom of mind' or some crap to the darkspawn. That turned out well.

[Herr Uhl]

louise101 wrote...

It seems to me even more that the Architect and Anders are full of it. Any demon will encourage magic, no matter where from. I killed the Architect for the simple reason of not dealing with a demon of any kind, shape or form. My botched save though has shown me the opposite, leave him to 'give freedom of mind' or some crap to the darkspawn. That turned out well.

The architect isn't a demon.

[Lewie]

Herr Uhl wrote...

louise101 wrote...

It seems to me even more that the Architect and Anders are full of it. Any demon will encourage magic, no matter where from. I killed the Architect for the simple reason of not dealing with a demon of any kind, shape or form. My botched save though has shown me the opposite, leave him to 'give freedom of mind' or some crap to the darkspawn. That turned out well.

The architect isn't a demon.

Ok, an ancient spirit, god, whatever. Evil or good? A god who created and then claims to want to end the threat of the cycle of the archdemon returning was a bit too easy. Wardens blood.. mixed with something no less. In 2 the darkspawn were still as much of a threat as ever nothing changed.  They got hats though. 

[PantheraOnca]

louise101 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

louise101 wrote...

It seems to me even more that the Architect and Anders are full of it. Any demon will encourage magic, no matter where from. I killed the Architect for the simple reason of not dealing with a demon of any kind, shape or form. My botched save though has shown me the opposite, leave him to 'give freedom of mind' or some crap to the darkspawn. That turned out well.

The architect isn't a demon.

Ok, an ancient spirit, god, whatever. Evil or good? A god who created and then claims to want to end the threat of the cycle of the archdemon returning was a bit too easy. Wardens blood.. mixed with something no less. In 2 the darkspawn were still as much of a threat as ever nothing changed.  They got hats though. 

What? Its been a while since I played awakening, but I understood the architect to be some kind of mutated darkspawn that happened to have intelligence; as in, the intelligence aspect was the mutation.

[Herr Uhl]

louise101 wrote...

Ok, an ancient spirit, god, whatever. Evil or good? A god who created and then claims to want to end the threat of the cycle of the archdemon returning was a bit too easy. Wardens blood.. mixed with something no less. In 2 the darkspawn were still as much of a threat as ever nothing changed.  They got hats though. 

He is a darkspawn emissary. A special one, but still only darkspawn.

[Ymladdych]

I'm with Brockololly on this one; they're going to tie things together and the Wardens will be in the thick of it.

Something I found interesting...Avernus's letter regarding the "disturbing" discovery about Warden blood was part of the "Dark Implications" quest. 

Wasn't Morrigan's ritual quest called the "Dark Promise?"  

Something tells me that isn't a coincidence.

[Lewie]

PantheraOnca wrote...

louise101 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

louise101 wrote...

It seems to me even more that the Architect and Anders are full of it. Any demon will encourage magic, no matter where from. I killed the Architect for the simple reason of not dealing with a demon of any kind, shape or form. My botched save though has shown me the opposite, leave him to 'give freedom of mind' or some crap to the darkspawn. That turned out well.

The architect isn't a demon.

Ok, an ancient spirit, god, whatever. Evil or good? A god who created and then claims to want to end the threat of the cycle of the archdemon returning was a bit too easy. Wardens blood.. mixed with something no less. In 2 the darkspawn were still as much of a threat as ever nothing changed.  They got hats though. 

What? Its been a while since I played awakening, but I understood the architect to be some kind of mutated darkspawn that happened to have intelligence; as in, the intelligence aspect was the mutation.

He explained clearly how they searched for the old gods, hence archdemons. He explained the cycle of repeat and asks for Wardens blood to end it. He asks to give the power of the wardens to the darkspawn in a way, tries to tell you that wardens blood will somehow 'cure' wait... make the darkspawn no longer follow the call of an archdemon if one should arise.

So the wardens going to the free marches is (blank). Yet if wardens still have dreams what would that mean, surely it would change if the darkspawn no longer follow the call of an archdemon. I can't help wondering that even they are being led down a rocky road because of the architect.

[Lewie]

Ymladdych wrote...

I'm with Brockololly on this one; they're going to tie things together and the Wardens will be in the thick of it.

Something I found interesting...Avernus's letter regarding the "disturbing" discovery about Warden blood was part of the "Dark Implications" quest. 

Wasn't Morrigan's ritual quest called the "Dark Promise?"  

Something tells me that isn't a coincidence.

How old is flemeth?  

[errant_knight]

louise101 wrote...

He explained clearly how they searched for the old gods, hence archdemons. He explained the cycle of repeat and asks for Wardens blood to end it. He asks to give the power of the wardens to the darkspawn in a way, tries to tell you that wardens blood will somehow 'cure' wait... make the darkspawn no longer follow the call of an archdemon if one should arise.

So the wardens going to the free marches is (blank). Yet if wardens still have dreams what would that mean, surely it would change if the darkspawn no longer follow the call of an archdemon. I can't help wondering that even they are being led down a rocky road because of the architect.

Sure they are. He's a darkspawn and has the best interests of the darkspawn as his goal. They may share a common interest, but that only situational. I always kill the architect. He's not trustworthy in any way.

Modifié par errant_knight, 07 avril 2011 - 01:19 .

[Heavensrun]

arcelonious wrote...

Ealos wrote...

I thought he was just saying it as an exaggeration - he mention Grey Warden parties in that as well, and I'm not going to take from that that the Wardens have an awesome social scene.

Perhaps in Orlais.  You know those Orlesians.

Have you met the french?

[Maria Caliban]

louise101 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

louise101 wrote...

It seems to me even more that the Architect and Anders are full of it. Any demon will encourage magic, no matter where from. I killed the Architect for the simple reason of not dealing with a demon of any kind, shape or form. My botched save though has shown me the opposite, leave him to 'give freedom of mind' or some crap to the darkspawn. That turned out well.

The architect isn't a demon.

Ok, an ancient spirit, god, whatever.

I choose to believe you're making a joke.

[Lewie]

errant_knight wrote...

louise101 wrote...

He explained clearly how they searched for the old gods, hence archdemons. He explained the cycle of repeat and asks for Wardens blood to end it. He asks to give the power of the wardens to the darkspawn in a way, tries to tell you that wardens blood will somehow 'cure' wait... make the darkspawn no longer follow the call of an archdemon if one should arise.

So the wardens going to the free marches is (blank). Yet if wardens still have dreams what would that mean, surely it would change if the darkspawn no longer follow the call of an archdemon. I can't help wondering that even they are being led down a rocky road because of the architect.

Sure they are. He's a darkspawn and has the best interests of the darkspawn as his goal. They may share a common interest, but that only situational. I always kill the architect. He's not trustworthy in any way.

The best interests of the darkspawn. They got hats, its fine.

Bioware sort it out, lol.

Situational is there and then, given the option to hand over warden blood to him i declined, knowing the alternative i still couldn't do it.

[Lewie]

Maria Caliban wrote...

louise101 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

louise101 wrote...

It seems to me even more that the Architect and Anders are full of it. Any demon will encourage magic, no matter where from. I killed the Architect for the simple reason of not dealing with a demon of any kind, shape or form. My botched save though has shown me the opposite, leave him to 'give freedom of mind' or some crap to the darkspawn. That turned out well.

The architect isn't a demon.

Ok, an ancient spirit, god, whatever.

I choose to believe you're making a joke.

What should i call him, not simply a demon, not an old god, not a good spirit, he was not a simple darkspawn, having the power to change them all is the work of old magic, not a whim.

[The Angry One]

louise101 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

louise101 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

louise101 wrote...

It seems to me even more that the Architect and Anders are full of it. Any demon will encourage magic, no matter where from. I killed the Architect for the simple reason of not dealing with a demon of any kind, shape or form. My botched save though has shown me the opposite, leave him to 'give freedom of mind' or some crap to the darkspawn. That turned out well.

The architect isn't a demon.

Ok, an ancient spirit, god, whatever.

I choose to believe you're making a joke.

What should i call him, not simply a demon, not an old god, not a good spirit, he was not a simple darkspawn, having the power to change them all is the work of old magic, not a whim.

You could call him a Darkspawn.