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[Bullets McDeath]

Avissel wrote...

You can also look at it from a "what you know" point of view.

Leliana's ressurection (if thats what happens in your game) is never explained
because she is the only one there that would even know it happened.

As far as planning ahead goes, it's easy to say that but you have to
remember how much plans can change even while in the process. Just look
at movies, there are several instances of movies being totally
re-written while they are being made, in atleast once case after most of
the movie was finished. Hell just look at Fallout 3, they had to
totally re-do the ending.

It's certainly not weird or wrong to be ruffled or upset with how it got handled. I just think most of the
loudest and mean spirited complainers about it need to take a second
,relax, and stop claming it's somehow the "Death of the series."

I will say I am curious to see the explanation for a resurrected Leliana, if they ever get around to it. But I imagine only a very small percentage of players have a "Leliana is dead" DA:O save so it may not be worth the development effort. One reason I'm mostly only upset "in principle" is because I never killed her in any of my playthroughs except one ridiculously evil one where I did every bad thing I could just because. I agree, the people screaming "FRANCHISE IS DEAD" are pretty hilarious and need to relax. But they scream that about everything. "THERE IS NO LOCKPICKING SKILL IN DA2, THANKS FOR RUINING MY CHARACTER EAWARE!!", etc.

Back to Leliana, it does leave me scratching my head as resurrection supposedly never happens in Thedas and even the Maker's bride didn't get resurrected sooo... seems like that'll be a hell of an explanation, if we ever get it. It also seems like she must have a larger role going forward, otherwise they could have stuck some other character in her place as Cassandra's boss if you did have a dead Leliana in your game. Seeing that they didn't do that, well...

... I hope it turns out to be something cool at least

Modifié par outlaworacle, 07 avril 2011 - 05:35 .

[Alamar2078]

Question: I that I saw a post from Mr. Gaider that said [referring to Lelliana] that "you didn't see what you thought you saw".

If I read other posts properly they claim that Lelliana was resurrected and you did kill her in game.

Do we know which way it is? I know we don't know details but how much has been confirmed by THE MAN.

[Bullets McDeath]

Alamar2078 wrote...

Question: I that I saw a post from Mr. Gaider that said [referring to Lelliana] that "you didn't see what you thought you saw".

If I read other posts properly they claim that Lelliana was resurrected and you did kill her in game.

Do we know which way it is? I know we don't know details but how much has been confirmed by THE MAN.

Maybe Leliana had a twin sister she never told you about? Or never knew about? It's campy and a stretch, I know, but hey... beats my other theory, which is that after the Battle of Denerim, professional Leliana impersonators sprung up all over, entertaining tavern patrons through Thedas...

Modifié par outlaworacle, 07 avril 2011 - 05:37 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

outlaworacle wrote...

Alamar2078 wrote...

Question: I that I saw a post from Mr. Gaider that said [referring to Lelliana] that "you didn't see what you thought you saw".

If I read other posts properly they claim that Lelliana was resurrected and you did kill her in game.

Do we know which way it is? I know we don't know details but how much has been confirmed by THE MAN.

Maybe Leliana had a twin sister she never told you about? Or never knew about? It's campy and a stretch, I know, but hey...

That sounds like a bad bollywood movie.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 07 avril 2011 - 05:38 .

[Cutlass Jack]

outlaworacle wrote...

Maybe Leliana had a twin sister she never told you about? Or never knew about? It's campy and a stretch, I know, but hey... beats my other theory, which is that after the Battle of Denerim, professional Leliana impersonators sprung up all over, entertaining tavern patrons through Thedas...

There's certainly room enough for these kind of theories. Or even that the Leliana you met in Origins wasn't the original but stole her identity. Especially given that she doesn't look precisely the same as she did in the previous game.

Teagan's Impersonator is even less skilled.

[The Angry One]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

That sounds like a bad bollywood movie.

If DA2 were a bad bollywood movie, at the end fight vs. the templars, Orsino would leap down and start singing in Hindi.
... which would probably be better than what actually happened.

[Bullets McDeath]

The Angry One wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

That sounds like a bad bollywood movie.

If DA2 were a bad bollywood movie, at the end fight vs. the templars, Orsino would leap down and start singing in Hindi.
... which would probably be better than what actually happened.

And the animated statues would have a synchronized dance sequence, let's not forget.

Sorry, Knight of Phoenix, I have to say I disagree with you. More and more it sounds like a really GREAT bollywood movie My kingdom for a toolset...

[Avissel]

The Angry One wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

That sounds like a bad bollywood movie.

If DA2 were a bad bollywood movie, at the end fight vs. the templars, Orsino would leap down and start singing in Hindi.
... which would probably be better than what actually happened.

That would be better than how any game ended.

[Cutlass Jack]

Avissel wrote...
That would be better than how any game ended.

Yes. Yes it would.

[Avissel]

Alamar2078 wrote...

Question: I that I saw a post from Mr. Gaider that said [referring to Lelliana] that "you didn't see what you thought you saw".

If I read other posts properly they claim that Lelliana was resurrected and you did kill her in game.

Do we know which way it is? I know we don't know details but how much has been confirmed by THE MAN.

Nothing has been confirmed, he's never said anything about what "actaully happened" should you have chosen to kill her.

All we know is that if you killed her, she is alive again. We do not know the why or the how, I'm sure it will come up eventually since he seems to atleast acknowledge that it's not a hand wave event.

[Alamar2078]

Avissel wrote...
Nothing has been confirmed, he's never said anything about what "actaully happened" should you have chosen to kill her.

All we know is that if you killed her, she is alive again. We do not know the why or the how, I'm sure it will come up eventually since he seems to atleast acknowledge that it's not a hand wave event.

Thanks for the update.  I thought something more definitive than "you didn't see what you thought you saw" may have came out.

[Avissel]

Nah. He's made a comment before that "if it's to be addressed, it won't be on the fourms" or something close to that. It's probably gonna come up in a future game.

[GSSAGE7]

Ferretinabun wrote...

According to the wiki, Anders has a number of epilogues, one of which is this:

"No longer a part of the Wardens, the Chantry brands him an apostate, but never captures him. He is last seen on a pirate ship with a familiar woman."

Every epilogue with Anders can be canon, since all we know is that he left when he merged with Justice.
Hell, even the one where he is thought to have died may be canon, since the Finding Nathaniel quest stated that Anders faked his death and ran off, saying that the body was "Badly burned and in mage robes," before making a smartass comment about "Do all mages look the same to you?"

[1Nosphorus1]

Yet how can anyone explain Leliana's ressurection when she's decapitated?

Heck may aswel bring back the Archdemon for another DLC.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Leliana's resurrection being explained by her claiming that it wasn't her time yet according to the Maker is a good enough explanation for me, were I actuallly to kill her.

The fact that Anders always says that the Blight in Ferelden was stopped with the aid of 2 mages could be considere noteworthy, as one could kill Wynne at several instances, including one before she ever had a chance to join your party, but I think that was just a small oversight. Otherwise, you could also say that Flemeth's involvement, however small, was mandatory to the Wardens' goal.

Also, I think the Ultimate Sacrifice ending is considered non-canon in a 'complete' Dragon Age playthrough, as a proper Origins > Awakening import can't happen there without some major reworking.

[Cutlass Jack]

Wasn't aware of her having dialogue covering it. (most likely because I never killed her). Good find on the clip Kaiser.

[Icy Magebane]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Leliana's resurrection being explained by her claiming that it wasn't her time yet according to the Maker is a good enough explanation for me, were I actuallly to kill her.

The fact that Anders always says that the Blight in Ferelden was stopped with the aid of 2 mages could be considere noteworthy, as one could kill Wynne at several instances, including one before she ever had a chance to join your party, but I think that was just a small oversight. Otherwise, you could also say that Flemeth's involvement, however small, was mandatory to the Wardens' goal.

Also, I think the Ultimate Sacrifice ending is considered non-canon in a 'complete' Dragon Age playthrough, as a proper Origins > Awakening import can't happen there without some major reworking.

Well, the US would still be be canon, because the Orlesian Warden would have done Awakening, Golems, and WH...  I think that's the case even if you import a dead Warden into Awakening.  For import purposes, whatever happened was actually done by the Orlesian.

I think that's how it works...