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Almostfaceman wrote...


No worries, I apologize if I was too snippy.

Don't worry.  You haven't offended me and you weren't snippy.

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Almostfaceman wrote...

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Well, you're good at saying how you view my opinion, which does nothing to answer my question.  Can or can not EDI access computer systems remotely via wireless?  Is or is not part of her function cyber-warfare?

It doesn't fit into your neat little theory, so to you it's implausible for EDI to be in the system.  Bury your head in the sand if you wish, but the game gives us the information on how EDI operates - you're ignoring it.


Read my edit.

And honestly, dude, I'd refrain from accusing other people of burying their heads in the sand at this point. You're so desperate to defend a hopeless point that you're refusing to see reason. I'll say again, EDI HERSELF ADMITS THAT SHE IS SPECULATING.

You're so fond of asking me questions. IF EDI can wirelessly interface with Collector systems...

What is this about?

Why does Shepard have to upload omnitool scans of their data terminals before she can analyze the data therein?

Why does Shepard have to physically override the vent blockages in the Collector Base?

Why does the tech expert have to physically overrde and close the bulkhead doors?

Why did Shepard have to physically set the base's reactor to overload? Is not remotely setting an enemy's reactor to explode one of EDI's Cyberwarfare capabilities? By your own logic, does that not mean that she MUST have been able to do so had she been inside the Collector systems? Apparently her Cyberwarfare capabilities are only able to be disregarded when it "doesn't fit into your neat little theory"? Explain to me how that's not hypocritical.

Why does EDI use modifiers in her conversation like "They may..." and "It is likely..." and "If my calculations are correct..." and "Probabilities suggest..."?

Why does EDI herself state that she's speculating upon the purpose of the Human Reaper?

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I think we could all do with less "You're burying your head in the sand, man!". It's just making all these arguments more personal.

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JKoopman wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

JKoopman wrote...
*snip*


Well, you're good at saying how you view my opinion, which does nothing to answer my question.  Can or can not EDI access computer systems remotely via wireless?  Is or is not part of her function cyber-warfare?

It doesn't fit into your neat little theory, so to you it's implausible for EDI to be in the system.  Bury your head in the sand if you wish, but the game gives us the information on how EDI operates - you're ignoring it.


Read my edit.

And honestly, dude, I'd refrain from accusing other people of burying their heads in the sand at this point. You're so desperate to defend a hopeless point that you're refusing to see reason. I'll say again, EDI HERSELF ADMITS THAT SHE IS SPECULATING.

You're so fond of asking me questions. IF EDI can wirelessly interface with Collector systems...

What is this about?

Why does Shepard have to uploadomnitool scans of their data terminals before she can analyze the data therein?

Why does Shepard have to physically override the vent blockages in the Collector Base?

Why does the tech expert have to physically overrde and close the bulkhead doors?

Why did Shepard have to physically set the base's reactor to overload? Is not remotely setting an enemy's reactor to explode one of EDI's Cyberwarfare capabilities? By your own logic, does that not mean that she MUST have been able to do so had she been inside the Collector systems? Apparently her Cyberwarfare capabilities are only able to be disregarded when it suits your argument? Explain to me how that's not hypocritical.

Why does EDI use modifiers in her conversation like "They may..." and "It is likely..." and "If my calculations are correct..." and "Probabilities suggest..."?

Why does EDI herself state that she's speculating upon the purpose of the Human Reaper?


I've already answered your questions, but you're ignoring my answer.  I'll try again.

This is what EDI is capable of, in her own words:

Shepard:  What do you do aboard the ship?
EDI: I operate the ship's electronic and cyberwarfare suites in combat.  My reaction time is much faster than any organic.  I have also gained access to anti-Reaper cyberwarfare algorithms recovered by Cerberus.
Shepard:  The Reapers are millions of years more advanced than us.  How can you affect them?
EDI: It appears that my design includes hardware recovered from the wreckage of Sovereign.  These systems contain cyberwarfare attack programs of considerable sophistication.  I have allocated most of my processing power to analyzing them.
Shepard: Cyberwarfare means things like viruses right?
EDI: In close range ship-to-ship combat, I can sometimes break through the firewalls of an enemy's internal wireless network.  Once I seize control of their systems, I can turn off gravity or air.  I can disable weapons guidance or shields.  Or I can put their fusion plant into meltdown.  On the defense, I manage Normandy's own suite of jammers, decoys, and internal firewalls.

Your arguments about EDI's speculation is a red-herring.  Not once have I claimed that EDI did not do some speculation based on the data she had acquired.  You, of course, are ignoring when she does not speculate.  I'll put the quote from the game down once more:

Shepard: The Reapers are machines - why do they need humans at all?
EDI: Incorrect. Reapers are sapient constructs.  A hybrid of organic and inorganic material.

You can rage all you want about her capabilities - but of course you're ignoring the fact that she's fighting behind the scenes.  It's cyber-WARFARE.  She is doing battle.  It's not like she's tapping into the Cerberus Giftbasket Boutique to order Shep some flowers for Kelly.  So, of course, she needs Shep's help sometimes.  This may require an omnitool sometimes.  This may require flicking a switch.  This is perfectly logical. It does not in any way mean she can not win some of the battles in the cyber-universe and come up with data for us via the wireless method.

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Am i the only one that noticed that EDI witnessed one being made and is therefore infinatly more qualified to speclate?

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piemanz wrote...

Am i the only one that noticed that EDI witnessed one being made and is therefore infinatly more qualified to speclate?


I agree, she is very qualified to speculate.  It's what she's made to do.

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Almostfaceman wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

JKoopman wrote...
*snip*


Well, you're good at saying how you view my opinion, which does nothing to answer my question.  Can or can not EDI access computer systems remotely via wireless?  Is or is not part of her function cyber-warfare?

It doesn't fit into your neat little theory, so to you it's implausible for EDI to be in the system.  Bury your head in the sand if you wish, but the game gives us the information on how EDI operates - you're ignoring it.


Read my edit.

And honestly, dude, I'd refrain from accusing other people of burying their heads in the sand at this point. You're so desperate to defend a hopeless point that you're refusing to see reason. I'll say again, EDI HERSELF ADMITS THAT SHE IS SPECULATING.

You're so fond of asking me questions. IF EDI can wirelessly interface with Collector systems...

What is this about?

Why does Shepard have to uploadomnitool scans of their data terminals before she can analyze the data therein?

Why does Shepard have to physically override the vent blockages in the Collector Base?

Why does the tech expert have to physically overrde and close the bulkhead doors?

Why did Shepard have to physically set the base's reactor to overload? Is not remotely setting an enemy's reactor to explode one of EDI's Cyberwarfare capabilities? By your own logic, does that not mean that she MUST have been able to do so had she been inside the Collector systems? Apparently her Cyberwarfare capabilities are only able to be disregarded when it suits your argument? Explain to me how that's not hypocritical.

Why does EDI use modifiers in her conversation like "They may..." and "It is likely..." and "If my calculations are correct..." and "Probabilities suggest..."?

Why does EDI herself state that she's speculating upon the purpose of the Human Reaper?


I've already answered your questions, but you're ignoring my answer.  I'll try again.

This is what EDI is capable of, in her own words:

Shepard:  What do you do aboard the ship?
EDI: I operate the ship's electronic and cyberwarfare suites in combat.  My reaction time is much faster than any organic.  I have also gained access to anti-Reaper cyberwarfare algorithms recovered by Cerberus.
Shepard:  The Reapers are millions of years more advanced than us.  How can you affect them?
EDI: It appears that my design includes hardware recovered from the wreckage of Sovereign.  These systems contain cyberwarfare attack programs of considerable sophistication.  I have allocated most of my processing power to analyzing them.
Shepard: Cyberwarfare means things like viruses right?
EDI: In close range ship-to-ship combat, I can sometimes break through the firewalls of an enemy's internal wireless network.  Once I seize control of their systems, I can turn off gravity or air.  I can disable weapons guidance or shields.  Or I can put their fusion plant into meltdown.  On the defense, I manage Normandy's own suite of jammers, decoys, and internal firewalls.

Your arguments about EDI's speculation is a red-herring.  Not once have I claimed that EDI did not do some speculation based on the data she had acquired.  You, of course, are ignoring when she does not speculate.  I'll put the quote from the game down once more:

Shepard: The Reapers are machines - why do they need humans at all?
EDI: Incorrect. Reapers are sapient constructs.  A hybrid of organic and inorganic material.


Scans of the Human Reaper? Or scans of the Derelict Reaper that she was parked outside of for nigh on an hour? Or from Cerberus' Sovereign salvage (try saying that three times fast)? None of which would give her any special insight into the Collectors or their motivations. Why do you assume that the only logical explanation for her having acquired this singular tidbit of information is that she's inside their systems mining their databanks? You accuse me of ignoring the one instance where she states something as a matter of fact, yet you yourself are completely ignoring the half dozen or so instances where she specifically points out that she's speculating or doesn't know as well as ALL the other evidence to the contrary indicating that she is in fact NOT in their systems.

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Am i the only one that noticed that EDI witnessed one being made and is therefore infinatly more qualified to speclate?


She's more qualified but she's still just speculating.

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Bourne Endeavor wrote...

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Also for ME2 squadmate not being related to plot?

Hmh:

Miranda lead Lazarus Project that resurrected Shepard.
Jacob protects Miranda.
Garrus and Tali have history with Shepard( ME1) and do not hesitate to help him/her.
Legion was sent to investigate Shepard's death and Reapers are enemy of his section of Geth.


- Congratulations, Miranda's relevance equates Anderson's. She has one noteworthy moment and than is sidelined throughout the remainder of the game. Frankly, one could reasonably argue this away from her given she is the overseer of Project Lazarus and not specifically involved.

- Oh, he protects her... from what? The only relevance to the plot Miranda has is during the tutorial, and where is Jacob? Right, nowhere and she handles Wilson herself. Nice job, Jacob. Afterward, he is useless to the plot.

- And? Mate, do you know the definition of plot involvement because it does not mean what you think it means. They know Shepard, yay... but what do they do in the plot? Right, absolutely nothing. In fact, Tali is completely optional! Sure they are nice to have however the plot does not develop based on their being there.

- Again this is not ME2 plot relevant and simply handwaves the Geth as a legitimate opposing force, which Anderson had already confirmed. Sure it was nice to know not all Geth were evil but it did not develop Mass Effect 2's plot whatsoever, and if it is not mentioned in ME3, then the reveal is meaningless.

A plot integral character is someone who provides a means for progression. If they plot is to destroy the Collectors, then we must acquire the means to do so. In what is one of the more obvious plothole examples, Mordin accomplishes this. We cannot survive the Seeker Swarms without his research. Therefore, he is necessary for us to continue. In no other instance in the entire game does this happen again with a specific character. Such is why ME2 is not a character driven story, regardless of what BioWare claims.


Actually, I saw a nice lecture by one of the lead writers at Pixar. He said this - good side characters are ones that bring out aspects of the main character's story, and give us insight into the main character's thoughts, feelings, and ambitions. Often, side characters will be cut out of Pixar films if they only advance the plot without shedding any light onto the main character's personality, or struggle.

The example he used was Jesse, in Toy Story 2. She's a great character, an important character, but her primary reason for existing is to cause Woody to feel guilty about returning home, and to illuminate the relationship Woody has with Andy. All the characters in ME2 and their respective missions are designed to better help you decide what kind of character Shepard is, and to see her in relation to them.

Example: Garrus. He is, in many ways, Pargon Shepard's cautionary tale, about the kinds of trouble being a Renegade can get you into. He's a warning... what can happen if you get too cocky, too careless. Alternatively, for Renegade Shep, he's an example of what happens if you go too soft... if you trust too much. His recruitment mission is a story about how, if you just try to go crazy and do it all alone, you'll end up bleeding on the ground. His loyalty mission is about either about the risks of going Renegade (if you're Para shep) or the rewards and validity of going Renegade (if you're Rene Shep)

That's what Bioware is talking about when they say it's a story about the characters.

A bland, uncharacterized squadmate who just happened to study reapers would not make this story more character-based. That's what Amanda Kenson was, and I don't know anyone who considers her a better or more interesting character than the squaddies.

In all honesty, I will be astonished if the Collectors or the Human-Reaper have any greater significance than the Council did. This is made evident by Arrival, wherein the entire plot of ME2 is made wholly irrelevant. If the Reapers could arrive within two days. Why in the world would building a the Terminator accomplish? If they had not brought Shepard to the relay, they would be here already.

ME2 seems to suggest BioWare did not have sufficient material for a trilogy and merely stretched what they did have to fit three games.

What I find most disconcerting, is the implication of foreshadowing Arrival has. There is a strong probability the majority of the game will take place on Earth.


It's possible that they were just making the baby reaper because it was something they were going to do anyway.   "Ok, we might as well have Harby get started on the whole 'use humanity to reproduce' part of the plan while we hoof it to the galaxy."

I think that reproduction and slave creation are a major reason why they Reap. So they were always going to make a goo baby, they just decided to get that projet started early, because why not?

And yes, if the alliance hadn't sent Shepard to blow up the Batarians, the Reapers would be here already.  But if the Illusive man hadn't sent her after the collectors, they could have wiped out half the colonies in the terminus system by now, and ended up with a partially complete human reaper, poised to make a move on Earth to finish it. That would be bad! 

ME3's promo movie has implied that the collectors have some kind of foot-soldier on the ground during the earth invasion (not cannon, grain of salt, blah blah), that's who the sniper is firing at, after all. What we learned about the collectors might help us fight whatever this new kind of foot soldier is, if it isn't just another bunch of collectors, which it may well be.

I'll be surprised if sentients being turned into goo and slave-race footsoldiers aren't a major plot point in ME3. But hey, I guess we'll see.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

piemanz wrote...

Am i the only one that noticed that EDI witnessed one being made and is therefore infinatly more qualified to speclate?


She's more qualified but she's still just speculating.


Yes, but she's speculating with the knowledge that thet they are targeting human colonies, they need human paste to make a Reaper, and Harbinger has been telling us the whole game humans are viable.

It's just connect the dots.

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JKoopman wrote...

Scans of the Human Reaper? Or scans of the Derelict Reaper that she was parked outside of for nigh on an hour? Or from Cerberus' Sovereign salvage (try saying that three times fast)? None of which would give her any special insight into the Collectors or their motivations. Why do you assume that the only logical explanation for her having acquired this singular tidbit of information is that she's inside their systems mining their databanks? You accuse me of ignoring the one instance where she states something as a matter of fact, yet you yourself are completely ignoring the half dozen or so instances where she specifically points out that she's speculating or doesn't know as well as ALL the other evidence to the contrary.


I'm not ignoring any of those.  I'm simply pointing out a position she no longer speculates on.

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Almostfaceman wrote...

piemanz wrote...

Am i the only one that noticed that EDI witnessed one being made and is therefore infinatly more qualified to speclate?


I agree, she is very qualified to speculate.  It's what she's made to do.


She witnesses something being made. Something using Reaper technology. Is it a Reaper? A Reaper Reaper? We don't know, and EDI herself says that she can only speculate. For all we know, the Human Reaper was just some crazy science experiment that Harbinger was running.

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Does anyone have an actual link to the scene in question? That would make this infinitely easier. The only ones I can find on youtube involve Shepard skipping the segment where he asks EDI about the Reaper.

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JKoopman wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

piemanz wrote...

Am i the only one that noticed that EDI witnessed one being made and is therefore infinatly more qualified to speclate?


I agree, she is very qualified to speculate.  It's what she's made to do.


She witnesses something being made. Something using Reaper technology. Is it a Reaper? A Reaper Reaper? We don't know, and EDI herself says that she can only speculate. For all we know, the Human Reaper was just some crazy science experiment that Harbinger was running.


Yes, it's speculation, no doubt.But given the events of the game i'd say it was quite a good analysis.

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Almostfaceman wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

Scans of the Human Reaper? Or scans of the Derelict Reaper that she was parked outside of for nigh on an hour? Or from Cerberus' Sovereign salvage (try saying that three times fast)? None of which would give her any special insight into the Collectors or their motivations. Why do you assume that the only logical explanation for her having acquired this singular tidbit of information is that she's inside their systems mining their databanks? You accuse me of ignoring the one instance where she states something as a matter of fact, yet you yourself are completely ignoring the half dozen or so instances where she specifically points out that she's speculating or doesn't know as well as ALL the other evidence to the contrary.


I'm not ignoring any of those.  I'm simply pointing out a position she no longer speculates on.


A position which doesn't in any way indicate that she's inside their systems mining data. And, coupled with all the information to the contrary, I would ask why there is any reason to assume that she is?

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Il Divo wrote...

Does anyone have an actual link to the scene in question? That would make this infinitely easier. The only ones I can find on youtube involve Shepard skipping the segment where he asks EDI about the Reaper.




That's what I've been using for referrence.

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JKoopman wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

piemanz wrote...

Am i the only one that noticed that EDI witnessed one being made and is therefore infinatly more qualified to speclate?


I agree, she is very qualified to speculate.  It's what she's made to do.


She witnesses something being made. Something using Reaper technology. Is it a Reaper? A Reaper Reaper? We don't know, and EDI herself says that she can only speculate. For all we know, the Human Reaper was just some crazy science experiment that Harbinger was running.


Yes.  Yes that's it.  EDI straight out tells us that Reapers are sapient constructs.  I'll either take *insert fellow poster's name here* version of what it is - or EDI's.

Shepard: The Reapers are machines - why do they need humans at all?

EDI: Incorrect. Reapers are sapient constructs.  A hybrid of organic and inorganic material.
The exact construction methods are unclear but it seems probable that the Reapers absorb the essence of a species; utilizing it in their reproductive process.


I'll go with EDI.

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JKoopman wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Does anyone have an actual link to the scene in question? That would make this infinitely easier. The only ones I can find on youtube involve Shepard skipping the segment where he asks EDI about the Reaper.




That's what I've been using for referrence.


Appreciated. You'd be surprised how difficult it can be to find a few lines of dialogue. Image IPB

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JKoopman wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

Scans of the Human Reaper? Or scans of the Derelict Reaper that she was parked outside of for nigh on an hour? Or from Cerberus' Sovereign salvage (try saying that three times fast)? None of which would give her any special insight into the Collectors or their motivations. Why do you assume that the only logical explanation for her having acquired this singular tidbit of information is that she's inside their systems mining their databanks? You accuse me of ignoring the one instance where she states something as a matter of fact, yet you yourself are completely ignoring the half dozen or so instances where she specifically points out that she's speculating or doesn't know as well as ALL the other evidence to the contrary.


I'm not ignoring any of those.  I'm simply pointing out a position she no longer speculates on.


A position which doesn't in any way indicate that she's inside their systems mining data. And, coupled with all the information to the contrary, I would ask why there is any reason to assume that she is?


On the contrary, she's given in-game methodology for infiltrating enemy networks wirelessly - as I've shown.  The only place she can gain the information she has on the Reaper-baby in front of her is by accessing those systems.  If you can demonstrate another place she'd acquire information that Reapers are definitely sapient constructs more power to ya.

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Almostfaceman wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

piemanz wrote...

Am i the only one that noticed that EDI witnessed one being made and is therefore infinatly more qualified to speclate?


I agree, she is very qualified to speculate.  It's what she's made to do.


She witnesses something being made. Something using Reaper technology. Is it a Reaper? A Reaper Reaper? We don't know, and EDI herself says that she can only speculate. For all we know, the Human Reaper was just some crazy science experiment that Harbinger was running.


Yes.  Yes that's it.  EDI straight out tells us that Reapers are sapient constructs.  I'll either take *insert fellow poster's name here* version of what it is - or EDI's.

Shepard: The Reapers are machines - why do they need humans at all?

EDI: Incorrect. Reapers are sapient constructs.  A hybrid of organic and inorganic material.
The exact construction methods are unclear but it seems probable that the Reapers absorb the essence of a species; utilizing it in their reproductive process.


I'll go with EDI.


Also, it may not mean what we think it means - even EDI's words are open for interpretation.

I speculate it could mean they use organics as a systems prototyping dealie - a way to get new structural ideas,

"Hey, these guys have bones made out of CALCIUM, with weird interior structures. Not fully hollow, but not fully solid either. Check it out."
"Hmm. Calcium bones? Scan the format and make us some new schematics, I'll add that to our tech library. What else?
"You want a laugh? Check out their reproductive system."
"Hahaha, yeah, no. We won't be using that."

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Almostfaceman wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

piemanz wrote...

Am i the only one that noticed that EDI witnessed one being made and is therefore infinatly more qualified to speclate?


I agree, she is very qualified to speculate.  It's what she's made to do.


She witnesses something being made. Something using Reaper technology. Is it a Reaper? A Reaper Reaper? We don't know, and EDI herself says that she can only speculate. For all we know, the Human Reaper was just some crazy science experiment that Harbinger was running.


Yes.  Yes that's it.  EDI straight out tells us that Reapers are sapient constructs.  I'll either take *insert fellow poster's name here* version of what it is - or EDI's.

Shepard: The Reapers are machines - why do they need humans at all?

EDI: Incorrect. Reapers are sapient constructs.  A hybrid of organic and inorganic material.
The exact construction methods are unclear but it seems probable that the Reapers absorb the essence of a species; utilizing it in their reproductive process.


I'll go with EDI.


I've been arguing that there's no reason to believe that EDI is mining data from the Collector systems to postulate her theories, and that therefor there's no solid reason to believe that Reapers harvest organic species for the purpose of Reaper reproduction as EDI speculates instead of for our technology as Tali speculates or any other possible reason.

I'm... not sure what you've apparently been arguing, because EDI's statement there has no relevance whatsoever in that regard.

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JKoopman wrote...

I've been arguing that there's no reason to believe that EDI is mining data from the Collector systems to postulate her theories, and that therefor there's no solid reason to believe that Reapers harvest organic species for the purpose of Reaper reproduction as EDI speculates instead of for our technology as Tali speculates or any other possible reason.

I'm... not sure what you've apparently been arguing, because EDI's statement there has no relevance whatsoever in that regard.


You've been arguing she's not mining data.  I simply don't believe you since it is probable and possible that she is.  We can agree to disagree and you can choose to ignore what EDI says.  It's a free country.

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Almostfaceman wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

I've been arguing that there's no reason to believe that EDI is mining data from the Collector systems to postulate her theories, and that therefor there's no solid reason to believe that Reapers harvest organic species for the purpose of Reaper reproduction as EDI speculates instead of for our technology as Tali speculates or any other possible reason.

I'm... not sure what you've apparently been arguing, because EDI's statement there has no relevance whatsoever in that regard.


You've been arguing she's not mining data.  I simply don't believe you since it is probable and possible that she is.  We can agree to disagree and you can choose to ignore what EDI says.  It's a free country.


It's "probable and possible" only if you conveniently overlook EVERYTHING ELSE that contradicts it and says you're wrong. But hey, like you said, it's a free country.

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Just one question, why would the reapers want your tech? Since its mostly based on theirs?

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Almostfaceman wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

Scans of the Human Reaper? Or scans of the Derelict Reaper that she was parked outside of for nigh on an hour? Or from Cerberus' Sovereign salvage (try saying that three times fast)? None of which would give her any special insight into the Collectors or their motivations. Why do you assume that the only logical explanation for her having acquired this singular tidbit of information is that she's inside their systems mining their databanks? You accuse me of ignoring the one instance where she states something as a matter of fact, yet you yourself are completely ignoring the half dozen or so instances where she specifically points out that she's speculating or doesn't know as well as ALL the other evidence to the contrary.


I'm not ignoring any of those.  I'm simply pointing out a position she no longer speculates on.


A position which doesn't in any way indicate that she's inside their systems mining data. And, coupled with all the information to the contrary, I would ask why there is any reason to assume that she is?


On the contrary, she's given in-game methodology for infiltrating enemy networks wirelessly - as I've shown.  The only place she can gain the information she has on the Reaper-baby in front of her is by accessing those systems.  If you can demonstrate another place she'd acquire information that Reapers are definitely sapient constructs more power to ya.


I already have. You ignored it.

She could be recieving scans and data on the Human Reaper from Shepard. She couldve scanned the Derelict Reaper while she was parked outside it for nigh on an hour. Or it could be from data gathered from Cerberus' collected Sovereign salvage. You simply assume that the only possible explanation is that she's infiltrated the Collector Base.