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[Annie_Dear]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Captmorgan72 wrote...

Any Grey Warden could have defeated the Archdemon and ended the Blight. Only Hawke can stop this war that will destroy all of Thedas.

Yeah, like Riordan...oh.

You beat me to it

[Sabriana]

Helen0rz wrote...

Miashi wrote...

Helen0rz wrote...

DLC6: A day with a companion, where you spend a day with each companion once, just to see what they do on their own time. Isabella will drink; Varric will do creepy things to Bianca; Fenris will brood! Featuring all new mini game, trauma center style, with Anders taking care of the patients around darktown! (forget about the many many rashes!)

I *has* to have something to do with Edwina though!

that's for DLC7, you can't rush things like that

This is completely and utterly hilarious in the most sarcastic way. Thanks for the laugh.

*surreptitiously wiping coffee off my desk*

Would Anders have done what he did without Hawke.

Well, he did in my game. She completely ignored him, didn't do his quest, except the first one for the maps. She didn't help him collect anything, free anyone, and was most decidedly NOT his friend.

Guess what. He done and did it anyways. Yeah, that's how important Hawke was. She was the cleaning woman, clearing everyone else's messes that resulted from *their* choices.

No Hawke for Deep Roads? Sure. Just take the other dwarf-dude's offer. No idol? Surely you jest. There was only one way to move in that thaig, and that path led straight to the idol. So no Hawke necessity here either.

The Arishok was far from home with a limited number of soldiers. Sure, it might have taken some time, but in the end Meredith and her templars, plus Orsino and his mages, plus aid from other countries/states etc. would have succeeded in destroying the few measly Qunari.

Hawke didn't matter at all. Nothing she did or said changed anything. The path was set, and she was along for the ride, broom and cleaning rag firmly in hand.

[Aldandil]

By the end of the game, it's clear that Cassandra (and most of the participants in the mage/templar conflict, probably) believed that Hawke's actions during the end of year 7 were what caused the mages to rebel. Cassandra believes that both sides will listen to Hawke, and Varric seems to think so too. We don't know if they are right, but the two of them know more about what is going on in Thedas than anyone on the forums, so their bet is more likely true than anything we can guess at here. If Hawke actually can solve the mage/templar conflict, then he is more important than a Warden who stopped a Blight almost a decade ago and who is now dead/missing.

It's safe to assume that moments before the battle with the Archdemon, the Warden was the most important person in the world. It could also be assumed that at the time of the big jump, Riordan was the most important person in the world.

[Relshar]

Hawke has/ had no importance to the story what so ever. The events would of happened either way, I see Hawke as an accidental bussy body who poke his/her nose in to other peoples lives.
DA:2 and something awesome when you mash the button... ermm why cant i pick my race or change armour for my companions and why cant I talk to them in public anymore... and why does this dungeon look the same?

Oh wait but this is cool enemies parachute in and then explode on contact with a paper clip.

[FellowerOfOdin]

Aldandil wrote...

It's safe to assume that moments before the battle with the Archdemon, the Warden was the most important person in the world. It could also be assumed that at the time of the big jump, Riordan was the most important person in the world.

Uhm what? While the Warden united all allies, saved thousands of life, restored order to the Dwarven Kingdom (when you are smart and choose Bhelen that is) and discovered a long lost sacred artifact (just to name a few), Riordan...did nothing. Nothing. He is a lazy bum.

[Danjaru]

The whole thing about Hawke being the most important man in the world is just a marketing ploy. he/she is just a glorified mercenary. Doesn't do anything significant except killing people because other people created bad situations.

I can only pray that Dragon Age 3 doesn't have Hawke as the main protagonist, that would suck.

[Wulfram]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Uhm what? While the Warden united all allies, saved thousands of life, restored order to the Dwarven Kingdom (when you are smart and choose Bhelen that is) and discovered a long lost sacred artifact (just to name a few), Riordan...did nothing. Nothing. He is a lazy bum.

Riordan crippled the Archdemon, stopping it from just flying off when things got a bit hairy.  Without him, the Archdemon wouldn't have died and the darkspawn would have eaten the Wardens and their army.

Modifié par Wulfram, 07 avril 2011 - 01:29 .

[Aldandil]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Aldandil wrote...

It's safe to assume that moments before the battle with the Archdemon, the Warden was the most important person in the world. It could also be assumed that at the time of the big jump, Riordan was the most important person in the world.

Uhm what? While the Warden united all allies, saved thousands of life, restored order to the Dwarven Kingdom (when you are smart and choose Bhelen that is) and discovered a long lost sacred artifact (just to name a few), Riordan...did nothing. Nothing. He is a lazy bum.

Define importance (or even better, redefine it). Important people must be people who, by failure or success, has a great effect on everyone else's lives, right? We can all agree that importance has to vary through time. JFK and Chrustjev were both very important during the Cuba crisis, but they're currently affecting our lives much. They have had a great impact, sure (and could have had an even greater), but no one, if asked the question "Who is the most important person in the world", would answer John F. Kennedy.

Likewise, it could be argued that the Warden might not be able to kill the Archdemon if it was to fly, since it could easily escape. At one point in time, everything depended on Riordan's big jump, rather than the armies gathered by the warden. After Riordan had stabbed the Archdemon to the point of it being forced to land, he wasn't that important anymore. It's not the only way to interpret it, but it's certainly possible to see it that way. It's not a popularity contest, it's a comparison of who is the most important.

[Rifneno]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...
And you can't say Anders would have done it anyway because you can't know that

Except you can, because we know he does, irregardless of what Hawke does. 

I think he would've been captured by the templars long before 7 years if he wasn't shielded by Hawke's diamond-hard plot armor.  And they as much as tell you that he was protected from the gangs because of Varric.  Varric heard rumors of him but we don't know they would've ended up friends if not for Hawke.  Or even that they would've survived the ambush at the Chantry with Karl.

Anyway, to answer the original question:  He/she isn't.  Yet.  That's why I think they'll continue to have Hawke as the main character for the DA series at least for the forseeable future.  Hawke has a very, VERY long way to go to pass the likes of Andraste or the Tevinter mages that tainted the golden city (provided such a thing ever happened).  Loghain?  You guys are thinking small.  Almost the whole known world worships some arcane warrior who won some wars and got deep-fried.  She's in the lead for most important person in the DA universe right now.

[Aldandil]

Relshar wrote...

Hawke has/ had no importance to the story what so ever. The events would of happened either way, I see Hawke as an accidental bussy body who poke his/her nose in to other peoples lives.
DA:2 and something awesome when you mash the button... ermm why cant i pick my race or change armour for my companions and why cant I talk to them in public anymore... and why does this dungeon look the same?

Oh wait but this is cool enemies parachute in and then explode on contact with a paper clip.

"I don't like the game, so everything is bad"? Your comments have nothing to do with the OT.

[Aldandil]

Rifneno wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...
And you can't say Anders would have done it anyway because you can't know that

Except you can, because we know he does, irregardless of what Hawke does. 

I think he would've been captured by the templars long before 7 years if he wasn't shielded by Hawke's diamond-hard plot armor.  And they as much as tell you that he was protected from the gangs because of Varric.  Varric heard rumors of him but we don't know they would've ended up friends if not for Hawke.  Or even that they would've survived the ambush at the Chantry with Karl.

Anyway, to answer the original question:  He/she isn't.  Yet.  That's why I think they'll continue to have Hawke as the main character for the DA series at least for the forseeable future.  Hawke has a very, VERY long way to go to pass the likes of Andraste or the Tevinter mages that tainted the golden city (provided such a thing ever happened).  Loghain?  You guys are thinking small.  Almost the whole known world worships some arcane warrior who won some wars and got deep-fried.  She's in the lead for most important person in the DA universe right now.

Well, that is assuming that Hawke is supposed to be the most important person ever. Hawke would have a long way to go to catch up with Andraste, as would any other character that we've heard about. That's not the only way to interpret "most important character though".

[Rifneno]

Aldandil wrote...

Well, that is assuming that Hawke is supposed to be the most important person ever. Hawke would have a long way to go to catch up with Andraste, as would any other character that we've heard about. That's not the only way to interpret "most important character though".

This is the exact quote from the press release: "Dragon Age 2 thrusts players into the role of Hawke, a penniless refugee who rises to power to become the single most important character in the world of Dragon Age."

I don't understand why that doesn't include characters like Andraste.  She's a character in the world of Dragon Age.  If you want to say it doesn't count her because she's dead, so are a lot of the people being brought up here.  Riordan, Loghain (90% of the time), ect.

[Aldandil]

Rifneno wrote...

Aldandil wrote...

Well, that is assuming that Hawke is supposed to be the most important person ever. Hawke would have a long way to go to catch up with Andraste, as would any other character that we've heard about. That's not the only way to interpret "most important character though".

This is the exact quote from the press release: "Dragon Age 2 thrusts players into the role of Hawke, a penniless refugee who rises to power to become the single most important character in the world of Dragon Age."

I don't understand why that doesn't include characters like Andraste.  She's a character in the world of Dragon Age.  If you want to say it doesn't count her because she's dead, so are a lot of the people being brought up here.  Riordan, Loghain (90% of the time), ect.

Since they don't say "most important character of all time", it's possible to interpret it as at most important at that point in time. It's not even a far-fetched interpretation of it. Sure, it's marketing speech, but it's not false.

[Maleficent]

The reason Hawke is important is because both Hawke and The Warden where influenced by ''The One'',Flemeth is everything ,there is no Morrigan or rather she is one of Asha'belanar,Flemeth,the witch of the wilds' pieces.She let Morrigan go with the warden,she let the warden kill her, she made Hawke carry one of her to Sundermount.Where was she going? what is she doing? duh duh dud dah.drum roll ....time will tell.

Surely ''The mage'' yes I said the mage,Andraste is the most important?

Modifié par Maleficent, 07 avril 2011 - 02:04 .

[Rifneno]

Aldandil wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Aldandil wrote...

Well, that is assuming that Hawke is supposed to be the most important person ever. Hawke would have a long way to go to catch up with Andraste, as would any other character that we've heard about. That's not the only way to interpret "most important character though".

This is the exact quote from the press release: "Dragon Age 2 thrusts players into the role of Hawke, a penniless refugee who rises to power to become the single most important character in the world of Dragon Age."

I don't understand why that doesn't include characters like Andraste.  She's a character in the world of Dragon Age.  If you want to say it doesn't count her because she's dead, so are a lot of the people being brought up here.  Riordan, Loghain (90% of the time), ect.

Since they don't say "most important character of all time", it's possible to interpret it as at most important at that point in time. It's not even a far-fetched interpretation of it. Sure, it's marketing speech, but it's not false.

That is absurd.  They also don't say "the most important character born with 6 toes on their right foot" but we have no reason to assume that's what they meant.

[Artoz96]

Hawke? Who is it?

[Aldandil]

Rifneno wrote...

That is absurd.  They also don't say "the most important character born with 6 toes on their right foot" but we have no reason to assume that's what they meant.

No, I wouldn't call it absurd. If Hawke becomes the most important person in the world at that time, then it's true. It's like asking who the greatest soccer player is. Some would say Messi, others would say Pelé or Maradona. All three could be considered to be true.

[Helen0rz]

DLC8: all major and minor DA characters sit down at camp and talk about who's important. You, as a player, gets to decide what mattered and what didn't. Sandal goes BOOM. The writers laugh at us inside their offices.

[Nashiktal]

Hawke was at the center of the events that (might) have caused the biggest war in thedas.

The re-ignited conflict with the Qunari. The war between Chantry-Templar-Mages. Revealing the startling nature of the Old Thaig.

[Miashi]

DLC 9: Hawke was having a casual chat with Meredith when both hear a loud boom in the Gallows. After fending through waves of generic spiders, they get there only to find a pile of corpses and Sandal exclaiming "not enchantment!".

[jds1bio]

What if Hawke was killed at Lothering?  Then:
- Bartrand and Varric go to Deep Roads
- If they don't find the way around the collapse, no idol, no relic, Qunari take over Kirkwall, templars fight mages anyway, no reason for Seeker to bring in Varric - game over
- If they find a way around the collapse, Bartrand gets idol, sells to Meredith, no relic, Qunari take over Kirkwall, Meredith uses idol to vanquish Qunari, templars fight mages anyway - Varric is entombed, no story for the Seeker - game over.

The only things that affect the story no matter whether Hawke lives or dies are the idol and the relic.  The idol is just as dangerous as blood magic, and the relic, well - the absense of which just sets certain people off.  Without the idol and the relic, balance between templars and mages could be kept as before, at least until the next Blight occurs.

[Bmeszaros]

Hawke, in retrospect, is no more important to the story than any of the surviving party members.

[ThomasBlaine]

Bmeszaros wrote...

Hawke, in retrospect, is no more important to the story than any of the surviving party members.

Or Meredith. Or arguably Cullen.

[AlexXIV]

Nashiktal wrote...

Hawke was at the center of the events that (might) have caused the biggest war in thedas.

The re-ignited conflict with the Qunari. The war between Chantry-Templar-Mages. Revealing the startling nature of the Old Thaig.

Varric was also at the center of these events. Just sayin'. Just being at the center of a tornado doesn't make you a tornado.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 07 avril 2011 - 03:32 .

[Nashiktal]

AlexXIV wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Hawke was at the center of the events that (might) have caused the biggest war in thedas.

The re-ignited conflict with the Qunari. The war between Chantry-Templar-Mages. Revealing the startling nature of the Old Thaig.

Varric was also at the center of these events. Just sayin'. Just being at the center of a tornado doesn't make you a tornado.

Varric wasn't at the center. Varric was at the edge of the circle. Without Hawke, some of these events might not have happened, or they would have been worse.

Its been explained in a post above.