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[Warrcry13]

In my game witht he conversation with Alistair, and Teagan they were expecting him to get back to Denerim any moment. I keep seeing all these comments about peoples wardens having seemingly dissapeared.

[Merced652]

Well you see you've stumbled across what we like to call a plot hole. Some people's wardens are Kings, Queens, Dead, in mirror world place, or advising alistair. Notice then, that all of that means nothing nor will it ever.

[mesmerizedish]

Because the Warden DID disappear. It's NOT a plot hole.

[JerHopp]

There is no plothole... Just play it till all the way through, and then you understand...

[GSSAGE7]

Because when Varric finishes his story, Cassandra specifically says that the Warden is gone.

[Conduit0]

Which is an additional 3 years after Hawke and Alistair/Anora have their little chat. So yeah, not a plothole.

[Merced652]

Conduit0 wrote...

Which is an additional 3 years after Hawke and Alistair/Anora have their little chat. So yeah, not a plothole.

Except she says the exact same thing if you US'd. I guess i can expect that to be retconned?

[mesmerizedish]

Merced652 wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...

Which is an additional 3 years after Hawke and Alistair/Anora have their little chat. So yeah, not a plothole.

Except she says the exact same thing if you US'd. I guess i can expect that to be retconned?

If your Warden died, then the "Warden" she's talking about is the Orlesian Warden-Commander from Awakening.

[ziloe]

Merced652 wrote...

Well you see you've stumbled across what we like to call a plot hole. Some people's wardens are Kings, Queens, Dead, in mirror world place, or advising alistair. Notice then, that all of that means nothing nor will it ever.

They didn't actually plot flag the ending of Witch Hunt.

Modifié par ziloe, 07 avril 2011 - 07:07 .

[Suaine]

Merced652 wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...

Which is an additional 3 years after Hawke and Alistair/Anora have their little chat. So yeah, not a plothole.

Except she says the exact same thing if you US'd. I guess i can expect that to be retconned?

Who says in that case she doesn't refer to the Warden-Commander from Orlais that you can play in Awakening? Usually within the game the Warden is referenced as "Hero of Ferelden" but she specifically doesn't say that. She says Warden, and that can mean a different person if you committed the ultimate sacrifice.

I think if they were going to retcon the ultimate sacrifice at all, they would have done it for Awakening. There's no reason to do it now when there's a much simpler explanation - that Warden is just not your US Warden.

[Merced652]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...

Which is an additional 3 years after Hawke and Alistair/Anora have their little chat. So yeah, not a plothole.

Except she says the exact same thing if you US'd. I guess i can expect that to be retconned?

If your Warden died, then the "Warden" she's talking about is the Orlesian Warden-Commander from Awakening.

Then anwser me this since this is actually how i fully intended on playing through this series.. Lets say my warden did the DR, went with morrigan through the portal, and lets say because of the way he was RP'd would never accept the appointment of Warden-Commander and thus never play through the events of awakening. 

So who then is she refering to? She didn't say hero of ferelden as alistair did, she said warden, not warden commander, but warden. If its intentionally ambiguous then thats bogus bull****. Of course, i expect nothing less. And whats worse is i'm not even sure why i care because there is absolutely no way it is ever implemented in a meaningful way. 

Modifié par Merced652, 07 avril 2011 - 07:12 .

[mesmerizedish]

Merced652 wrote...

Then anwser me this since this is actually how i fully intended on playing through this series.. Lets say my warden did the DR, went with morrigan through the portal, and lets say because of the way he was RP'd would never accept the appointment of Warden-Commander and thus never play through the events of awakening. 

So who then is she refering to? She didn't say hero of ferelden as alistair did, she said warden, not warden commander, but warden. If its intentionally ambiguous then thats bogus bull****. Of course, i expect nothing less. And whats worse is i'm not even sure why i care because there is absolutely no way it is ever implemented in a meaningful way.

She's referring to the Orlesian Warden-Commander. If your Warden didn't do the events of Awakening, an Orlesian showed up to do it anyway.

[EDIT] And as someone mentioned above, nothing in Witch Hunt matters to DAII. There are plot flags, but DAII never calls them. The "Hero of Ferelden" reference if you stepped through the mirror is a result of that.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 07 avril 2011 - 07:16 .

[Knightly_BW]

According to my Awakening final, Warden dissappeared. (Just forced myself to finish another awakenings run last night)

Why he did that I don't have an idea... I was like "Did I play all this crap for this??"

Well at least finally I can get Nathaniel quest I hope.

[Icy Magebane]

I doubt the game will take into account the specifics of the Warden's rp'ed persona... there are some things that are going to happen, no matter what. I have no idea what's going on with Wardens that went with Morrigan, but I think the game assumes that if you did Awakening, then the Warden became Commander and retains that role... personally, I think telling Alistair what to do every day as Chancellor is more important, but that's just me.

[Warrcry13]

GSSAGE7 wrote...

Because when Varric finishes his story, Cassandra specifically says that the Warden is gone.

AH I see I probably missed the line because one of the cats decided it was a good idea to climb my leg and arm.

[Merced652]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

Then anwser me this since this is actually how i fully intended on playing through this series.. Lets say my warden did the DR, went with morrigan through the portal, and lets say because of the way he was RP'd would never accept the appointment of Warden-Commander and thus never play through the events of awakening. 

So who then is she refering to? She didn't say hero of ferelden as alistair did, she said warden, not warden commander, but warden. If its intentionally ambiguous then thats bogus bull****. Of course, i expect nothing less. And whats worse is i'm not even sure why i care because there is absolutely no way it is ever implemented in a meaningful way.

She's referring to the Orlesian Warden-Commander. If your Warden didn't do the events of Awakening, an Orlesian showed up to do it anyway.

Obviously the events of awakening still transpired, however didn't they say there would be a clear distinction between whom was being referred to by HoF or W-C. Niether was applied.  

[mesmerizedish]

Merced652 wrote...

Obviously the events of awakening still transpired, however didn't they say there would be a clear distinction between whom was being referred to by HoF or W-C. Niether was applied.

No, they said they'd be deliberately ambiguous about it, because they didn't like what Awakening's import feature did to continuity.

[Shadowrun1177]

Conduit0 wrote...

Which is an additional 3 years after Hawke and Alistair/Anora have their little chat. So yeah, not a plothole.

Anora doesn't show up for a cameo in DA 2 only Alistair, so if you didn't make Alistair king then you wont get the quest to visit the keep in Act 3.

[Merced652]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

Obviously the events of awakening still transpired, however didn't they say there would be a clear distinction between whom was being referred to by HoF or W-C. Niether was applied.

No, they said they'd be deliberately ambiguous about it, because they didn't like what Awakening's import feature did to continuity.

So why then are you telling me its the orlesian warden when they said its deliberately ambiguous? :innocent:

[mesmerizedish]

Merced652 wrote...
So why then are you telling me its the orlesian warden when they said its deliberately ambiguous? :innocent:

What's ambiguous is who's getting referenced in DAII.

What's not ambiguous is who did the events of Awakening. Because your Warden didn't, someone else had to. That someone else is the Orlesian.

The references in DAII are ambiguous because of Awakening's import feature being less-than-artful.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 07 avril 2011 - 07:24 .

[Merced652]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Merced652 wrote...
So why then are you telling me its the orlesian warden when they said its deliberately ambiguous? :innocent:

What's ambiguous is who's getting referenced in DAII.

What's not ambiguous is who did the events of Awakening. Because your Warden didn't, someone else had to. That someone else is the Orlesian.

The references in DAII are ambiguous because of Awakening's import feature being less-than-artful.

No see you're not getting what i'm saying. 

She roughly says "..and the warden is missing too." She doesn't say the dumb ass bro who killed the mother, or the other ****** bro who killed the archdemon. She isn't making any distinction there, why are you assuming its one and not the other?

[mesmerizedish]

Merced652 wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Merced652 wrote...
So why then are you telling me its the orlesian warden when they said its deliberately ambiguous? :innocent:

What's ambiguous is who's getting referenced in DAII.

What's not ambiguous is who did the events of Awakening. Because your Warden didn't, someone else had to. That someone else is the Orlesian.

The references in DAII are ambiguous because of Awakening's import feature being less-than-artful.

No see you're not getting what i'm saying. 

She roughly says "..and the warden is missing too." She doesn't say the dumb ass bro who killed the mother, or the other ****** bro who killed the archdemon. She isn't making any distinction there, why are you assuming its one and not the other?

Because in your Origins playthrough, they're different people. It can't be both?

I don't really understand your question.

[TobiTobsen]

Merced652 wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Merced652 wrote...
So why then are you telling me its the orlesian warden when they said its deliberately ambiguous? :innocent:

What's ambiguous is who's getting referenced in DAII.

What's not ambiguous is who did the events of Awakening. Because your Warden didn't, someone else had to. That someone else is the Orlesian.

The references in DAII are ambiguous because of Awakening's import feature being less-than-artful.

No see you're not getting what i'm saying. 

She roughly says "..and the warden is missing too." She doesn't say the dumb ass bro who killed the mother, or the other ****** bro who killed the archdemon. She isn't making any distinction there, why are you assuming its one and not the other?

If you Warden wasn't around to do the stuff in Awakening thats just because of one reason: He is dead. So only the Orlesian is left.

[GSSAGE7]

A thought occurs. The Wardens are able to conscript people to join the order, whether they like it or not. Assuming the Warden didn't sacrifice him/herself, maybe the First Warden ordered the Warden to take the job, and shove any objections where the sun don't shine. At the very least, it would make it clear that there could only be one person she'd be referring to.

Warrcry13 wrote...

GSSAGE7 wrote...

Because when Varric finishes his story, Cassandra specifically says that the Warden is gone.

AH I see I probably missed the line because one of the cats decided it was a good idea to climb my leg and arm.

It was around the time Leliana makes her 2nd cameo. Cassandra's exact line was "Gone, just like the Warden," when Leliana asks did she find anything out.

[Warrcry13]

Merced652 wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Merced652 wrote...
So why then are you telling me its the orlesian warden when they said its deliberately ambiguous? :innocent:

What's ambiguous is who's getting referenced in DAII.

What's not ambiguous is who did the events of Awakening. Because your Warden didn't, someone else had to. That someone else is the Orlesian.

The references in DAII are ambiguous because of Awakening's import feature being less-than-artful.

No see you're not getting what i'm saying. 

She roughly says "..and the warden is missing too." She doesn't say the dumb ass bro who killed the mother, or the other ****** bro who killed the archdemon. She isn't making any distinction there, why are you assuming its one and not the other?

Because depending on what went down one may be dead or not. So they used a lump word considering both are wardens then both can be called wardens. If the one warden is dead then he didn't dissapear so much as stop breathing. While the other dissapeared after he stepped in to sort out the mess.