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[DeathStride]

So on my evil playthrough I sided with Cullen and supported the Right of Annulment and my Origins epilogue said:

"Once the tower was rebuilt, Knight-Commander Greagoir stepped down from his post and retired to a life of private contemplation as a brother in the Chantry. His health failed over time, and after refusing treatment, he perished in his sleep. Knight-Commander Cullen was said to be more strict and less trusting of the mages even than Greagoir was. He ruled the Circle with fear."

This was a DA:O replay after I'd already played through DA2 a couple times so I knew that Cullen was Knight-Captain over in Kirkwall in 2. So I waited patiently till I met him again in my current DA2 playthrough, which used the DA:O evil playthrough import where I recommended the RoA for the mages and sided with Cullen, and checked my codex entry on him upon meeting him:

DA Wiki
"[...]After Cullen returned to his duties, it became clear that he would go to any lengths to enforce the Chantry's rule. His zeal troubled Knight-Commander Greagoir, who feared it unwise to let Cullen watch over the men and women he deemed responsible for his torment.

Greagoir sent Cullen to serve under Knight-commander Meredith in Kirkwall[...]"



Did KComGreagoir die or didn't he? Did Cullen become KCom or not?

Modifié par DeathStride, 07 avril 2011 - 07:43 .

[TobiTobsen]

David Gaider said all epilogues are rumors and hearsay. Your epilogue obviously was based on false rumors.

[Shadowrun1177]

The things that happen in the epilogue slides don't happen they are just rumor's not always facts. This has been stated by Bioware a number of times.

[Icy Magebane]

Interesting, but not surprising, considering all the other retcons.

[Merced652]

TobiTobsen wrote...

David Gaider said all epilogues are rumors and hearsay. Your epilogue obviously was based on false rumors.

YO THIS IS ME WAVING MY HAND 

[ziloe]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

The things that happen in the epilogue slides don't happen they are just rumor's not always facts. This has been stated by Bioware a number of times.

That is such a lame excuse on the devs part and you guys know it.

[DeathStride]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

The things that happen in the epilogue slides don't happen they are just rumor's not always facts. This has been stated by Bioware a number of times.

Link please? I trust you, but I want to see exactly what Gaider or others said on the matter. Also, what's the point of having a game based on "choices" when those choices just get swept under the rug by such blanket statements as "all epilogue slides are rumor"?

EDIT: Also, what ziloe said.

Modifié par DeathStride, 07 avril 2011 - 07:32 .

[Bryy_Miller]

It's entirely possible that Cullen was reassaigned at any point during any of the epilogues.

[Shadowrun1177]

ziloe wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

The things that happen in the epilogue slides don't happen they are just rumor's not always facts. This has been stated by Bioware a number of times.

That is such a lame excuse on the devs part and you guys know it.

Well my opinion of it aside this is simply what Bioware has stated about the epilogue slides.

[Icy Magebane]

DeathStride wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

The things that happen in the epilogue slides don't happen they are just rumor's not always facts. This has been stated by Bioware a number of times.

Link please? I trust you, but I want to see exactly what Gaider or others said on the matter. Also, what's the point of having a game based on "choices" when those choices just get swept under the rug by such blanket statements like "all epilogue slides are rumor"?

EDIT: Also, what ziloe said.

I think the point is to have fun while you can and be prepared for when they inevitably rewrite your story.  Some of your decisions might matter, but some won't.

Bryy_Miller wrote...

It's entirely possible that Cullen was reassaigned at any point during any of the epilogues.

Reassigned by a retired or dead Griegor?  Jesus... just accept that they negated the epilogue!  What you said didn't even make sense in the context of what the OP posted.

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 07 avril 2011 - 07:34 .

[ziloe]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

ziloe wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

The things that happen in the epilogue slides don't happen they are just rumor's not always facts. This has been stated by Bioware a number of times.

That is such a lame excuse on the devs part and you guys know it.

Well my opinion of it aside this is simply what Bioware has stated about the epilogue slides.

I'm entirely aware and I'm just saying it's a lame excuse. I mean, they managed to get tons of things for ME:2, so why couldn't they get it right for DA:2??? It's the same company! XD

[TobiTobsen]

Merced652 wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

David Gaider said all epilogues are rumors and hearsay. Your epilogue obviously was based on false rumors.

YO THIS IS ME WAVING MY HAND 

And what do you want to do about it? If the Writer Team said they need Cullen because he is important for the story, than he never was Greagoirs replacement. It's simple as that. The gamers can either accept it or not.

[Trophonius]

Either way, Cullen's destiny is to become Knight-Commander. If you side with the templars in DA:O, Greagoir dies from an illness and Cullen replaces him. If you side with and demand autonomy for the Circle, Greagoir resumes his job and sends Cullen off to Kirkwall, where Cullen eventually replaces Meredith as the new Knight-Commander.

[Firky]

My ending had Cullen going mad and killing a whole bunch of mage apprentices. It was a very cool ending.

Technically, as I believe he escaped, Meredith might not have known who he was. You think the Templars would gossip a little between circles. Nonetheless, I was surprised to see him.

[Adanu]

ziloe wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

The things that happen in the epilogue slides don't happen they are just rumor's not always facts. This has been stated by Bioware a number of times.

That is such a lame excuse on the devs part and you guys know it.

Uh, not really. It's a perfectly reasonable explanation.

[Merced652]

Adanu wrote...

ziloe wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

The things that happen in the epilogue slides don't happen they are just rumor's not always facts. This has been stated by Bioware a number of times.

That is such a lame excuse on the devs part and you guys know it.

Uh, not really. It's a perfectly reasonable explanation.

Oh well.. gee that makes everything peachey. Sorry for the discussion. 

[AlexXIV]

Well it is a sign that Bioware didn't plan ahead much when they made DA:O. I mean everyone who writes a story would try to avoid that he/she contradicts him/herself. That changes are made later is probably unavoidable or at least not uncommon. But it always hints that there has been a lack of thought or a mistake to begin with.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 07 avril 2011 - 09:03 .

[ziloe]

Adanu wrote...

ziloe wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

The things that happen in the epilogue slides don't happen they are just rumor's not always facts. This has been stated by Bioware a number of times.

That is such a lame excuse on the devs part and you guys know it.

Uh, not really. It's a perfectly reasonable explanation.

LOL! Yeah, okay there.

[LyndseyCousland]

Adanu wrote...

ziloe wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

The things that happen in the epilogue slides don't happen they are just rumor's not always facts. This has been stated by Bioware a number of times.

That is such a lame excuse on the devs part and you guys know it.

Uh, not really. It's a perfectly reasonable explanation.

Er, no it isn't.

[Stazro]

Those epilogue slides were a nice little something to end the game not that abruptly. I never expected that Bioware would find themselves bound by them for future releases and I think it would have been stupid if they had. Is it a retcon? Technically, I guess so, but for me, there is a line: On one side is having Leliana in DA2 and Oghren in DA:O-A regardless wether they survived DA:O and on the other side are some epilogue slides, each of which has probably taken less than ten minutes to write and which I never expected to have any meaning.

Oh and: You should have known! They already did that in Awakening ;-)

[Volaren]

Hmmmmmmmm Cullen yummy.....What were we talking about?

[Aldandil]

I prefer Cullen being in Kirkwall to all the epilogues being untouchable.

[sylvanaerie]

Well I only got a Cullen related epilogue slide once. On my US mage game, Alistair freed the circle and Cullen went batsh*t insane killing a few apprentices and being shipped off to Aeonar where he broke out and went running into the night...(I think that's how it goes).
A lot of my awakenings import stuff got handwaved aside (the biggest being Anders' presence in Kirkwall only a couple of months after the ending of Awakening badmouthing the GW's when my Warden had been nothing but kind).
A lot of people also complained that 'the Circle was freed on my run, why isn't it free in (expansions/sequels)'.
For the sake of story, some stuff will get retconned, handwaved. For some people Wynne shouldn't have turned up in Awakenings because they killed her. Same with Leliana in DA2. Why is she there in Exile or at the epilogue if she was dead in the Tomb of Sacred Ashes...
Personally none of my imports have the "Cullen went crazy or Cullen became KC of Ferelden" epilogues because that save was a long time ago. Since I feel his character has gone the greatest distance development-wise, I was GLAD to see him in DA2. I always did like him even on a mage and felt that his was a story worth delving into. I'm glad to see him included here since his ending was so open ended in DAO.
But ya I can see your disappointment that your choice wasn't honored in your import, but if you look at the save you are importing, it will show what flags DA2 is looking for (far left button) and you can see what choices will be mentioned/seen in the game. I don't think the boon is mentioned and that particular epilogue slide will only fire if the boon is used, I think.

[Fieryeel]

And how is it impossible?

Year 0:
Blight begins
Ostagar falls
Hawke and family flee to Kirkwall
Circle Tower is overrun by abominations, but is eventually saved by Warden
Blight defeated

Year 1:
Circle bebuilding begins, Gregoir feels that Cullen is unstable, and sends him to Tower of Magi in Kirkwall to serve under Knight Commander Meredith
Cullen meets Hawke

OR

Circle rebuilding begins, Cullen goes into a mental breakdown, killing several mage apprentices before fleeing.
Cullen flees to Kirkwall, where he declares himself as a templar before Knight Commander Meredith. Appreciative of his distrust of mages, she takes him in.
Cullen meets Hawke.

Year 2 - 7: (Any timing is fine)
Circle of Magi in Fereldan is rebuilt. Knight Commander Gregoir steps down as Knight Commander.

Year 7:
After Meredith is killed, Cullen returns to Fereldan where he eventually becomes the new Knight Commander. Remembering that the cause of the entire Kirkwall crisis was due to Anders, an apostate abomination, Knight Commander Cullen rules the circle even stricter than Gregoir did, causing much fear.

Year 8 - 10: (Any timing is fine)
Inspired by the events of Kirkwall, the circle of magi in Fereldan, along with every other circle eventually revolts and the mages break out. The world is plunged into war.

Modifié par Fieryeel, 07 avril 2011 - 12:59 .

[Rifneno]

Adanu wrote...

ziloe wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

The things that happen in the epilogue slides don't happen they are just rumor's not always facts. This has been stated by Bioware a number of times.

That is such a lame excuse on the devs part and you guys know it.

Uh, not really. It's a perfectly reasonable explanation.

No it's not.  The epilogues specifically state when things are just rumors.  Like Morrigan being spotted in the court of the Empress in Orlais (hmm, Morrigan was headed where Sandal is heading now?  makes me wonder if DA3 was originally planned to be DA2).  This is a retcon.  Remember what they told us ages ago about the possibility of BG3?  The Bhaalspawn's story is done, that epilogue didn't leave room for a sequel.  And they were right, it didn't.  Now all of a sudden epilogues are rumors and lies.  I find that a bit insulting.  If you need to retcon a few things, fine.  I don't like it but I understand and accept it.  Don't treat us like we can't put 2 and 2 together though.  This isn't Blue's Clues, this is a series aimed at a mature audience who likes a story that makes them think.  Treat us like we're mature adults and be honest with us.