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[Lianaar]

Ksandor wrote... what will force them to do better

What forces you to spend less, be more charitable, be kinder, be more considerate, dress better, be a better person. Or what forces me to lose weight, take more time away from the computer, spend less, be more charitable or be anything that I am not? Or act in a given manner others want to see me be?

We have the freedom to be what we want to be within our limits. And compnaies have the freedom to produce what they want to produce. You have the freedom to like it or dislike it. No obligation to buy it. Buying the game is a support shown to the company that you approve of the line they took.

If you actually want to reach something, you need to describe realistically achievable and graspable goals. Not ideologies, not vauge comments as: make it better. This is not something that will make people act in a given way. You can be realistic and say: please do not release games without checking if all the epiloque text are actually linked properly. This is one of my grives with both dragon ages for one. It is something that is a clear goal, clear request, achievable and hopefully somthing BW will heed. If you write points like that, I will be able to actually reflect to game related content.

[Miashi]

Ksandor wrote...
As you can see you are trying to defeat my arguments by attempting personal attacks. But even if we continue to trade barbs ad infinitum you will be still making personal attacks and not addressing the issues I made. You don't have to prove anything to me of course. The thing you fail to understand that I don't own you an explanation either. You are not the bar I measure myself up against. The fact that you are persisting to try to suppress me however tells a lot about you. But I am not asking you to respect me. We cannot change what people think about us but we can decide how to answer them. This exchange is over. 

It's ok, keep telling yourself that I insult you. Call me American if you like - trust me I won't lose a second of sleep over it. As I said, you're a big boy enough to discredit your own arguments without my help.

People that care about something find ways to make it better. I have far more respect for people that despise the game but try to find ideas and solutions to make the sequel better.

Reading borderline discriminatory posts like yours should make me at best dissapointed, but somehow you take everything so personally that it makes it a mildly entertaining read on a generic day.

Modifié par Miashi, 07 avril 2011 - 01:01 .

[Nialos]

The post wasn't meant to be right or wrong. Just a statement about posting tone. Tone is hard to read through text, and so far, it seems your tone is setting off all kinds of flags for people. Maybe you should re-evaluate how you phrase things. ... Or just what you let drop in general.

[Seena]

OK so you believe everybody is wise enough to know what is best for them and there is always someone out there offering the best solution for them. People are voluntary mindless consumption slaves to be exploited to death. We have faith in them to buy the best product. Commercials, outright lies, misinformation, dirty politics, backroom deals are all fair game. Thanks for pointing that out for me.

LOL And you seriously don't think this doesn't occur in countries that aren't capitalist driven????

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!

Your agenda is quite clear, thank-you.

[Ksandor]

Lianaar wrote...

Ksandor wrote...
Asking a better game of course include personal preferences but if you think the notion of a better game is hundred percent subjective this would mean that asking a better game is totally pointless. There should be objective criteria. Otherwise ours is a self defeating argument. No one can make a better game. 

When it comes to: liking something, there is no such thing as objective. Every single preference we have is filtered by our individuum, our personal past, our feelings, our emotional setting, our human mind. There is no way to make a game what two people will like the same way, since there are no two identical people (even twins vary). So no, you can not have an objective game demand. 

But you are welcome to try. Please list the objective criterias of a good game. Remember, that good itself is a subjective term.

Also, as a side note, slapping someone and then claiming: but I only stroked her face, doesn't make it any less of a slap. I accept you did not intend to generalize, but you often did, wether you wanted or not. A lot of people pointed it out and you just brushed it aside. Maybe it would be time to consider -why- people claim you generalise. Unless of course everyone thinking you did is just wrong.

And sorry, but I can not really skip over this thing: DragonAge should learn from Witcher and do less sexual scenes? WHAT? I stopped playing withcer because of the unbearable amount of sexual content! It was burdensome for me, a woman, to have to go through this unavoidable amount of references, remarks and what not. I don't mind sexual content in a game, as long as it is avoidable and optional. Witcher's wasn't optional or avoidable. Dragon Age's is avoidable.

As for having legal bindings for company to make objectively good games? No. Just like there is no legal binding in making objectively good cheese or honey or wine. Companies make cheese, honey, wine, and you can decide which cheese, honey or wine to buy if at all. If you dislike the wine you bought, you can not go back to the producer and sew them. As long as it was wine and not salad dressing. You mention business often, this is how busines work. As long as there is demand, there is supply. The demand (which is represented in sale quotas and change of playerbase) will determine the supply, BW has the right to decide what target group they pick and whom they make games for. You as a player decide if you are in that target group or not. As long as BW doesn't lie about his game being something totally different then it was (like saying it is car race simulator), you have no legal right to sue them.

What you do have right to? You have the right to buy the game or not buy. To suggest people to buy or not buy the game. To express your opinion, to give ideas what you would change etc. And other people have right to disagree with you or agree with you, to criticise you and to criticise those who criticise you.

Many people pointed out in various forums, that the game has flaws. That the game is appealing to a certain group of people while it is not appealing to another group of people. It is a change compared to Dragon Age: Origins. It was never a secret, that this game will differ from DA:O, it was clear before it came out.

The game was not what I expected, considering my personal, subjective mind and perferences, it was way better.  For me. It is also clear, it was way worse for you. It doesn't make the game any less of a quality or more of it.

Sorry I just read your post. Could you please refer where I said this, especially the second part in related to first part? DragonAge should learn from Witcher and do less sexual scenes?


I said that although I don't change my opinion I should not have said it here. What could you ask for more? And you and I criticized each other for hours.

[Torax]

I knew a guy like him in England. But that is unfair. The one in England is hyper paranoid and thinks of all these weird conspiracy problems. He hit his head on a low beam at work years ago and is just not wired straight. His facebook is something scary I'm told. Full of other super conspiracy nuts who agree with each other.

Unfair to this poster cause he is from Turkey. But both would take all this so personally and blindly.

[Ksandor]

Seena wrote...

OK so you believe everybody is wise enough to know what is best for them and there is always someone out there offering the best solution for them. People are voluntary mindless consumption slaves to be exploited to death. We have faith in them to buy the best product. Commercials, outright lies, misinformation, dirty politics, backroom deals are all fair game. Thanks for pointing that out for me.

LOL And you seriously don't think this doesn't occur in countries that aren't capitalist driven????

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!

Your agenda is quite clear, thank-you.

Did I say this does not happen in other countries? For instance did I say this does not happen in Turkey? Honestly please tell me where I said that. This is how the world works. I don't like but it is true. Why do you think that I attribute such a thing only to Americans? Then, maybe then we can discuss my agenda. Oh this is not new. Whenever people criticize an aspect of you, you see agendas... You are very territorial and nationalistic. I think I should admire that in you. Maybe nuclear stockpiles give weight to your arguments, I dunno... I wish you could see your agendas. But considering the institutional information suppression and misinformation not much chance for that. 

Modifié par Ksandor, 07 avril 2011 - 12:55 .

[Lianaar]

Ksandor wrote...

Sorry I just read your post. Could you please refer where I said this, especially the second part in related to first part? DragonAge should learn from Witcher and do less sexual scenes?
I said that although I don't change my opinion I should not have said it here. What could you ask for more? And you and I criticized each other for hours.

I am not even here for hours, only made two or three posts all together.


The quotes as requested: 

Ksandor wrote...
Or step aside and let games like Witcher 2 show you how it is done --at least in some areas.

Ksandor wrote...
Otherwise they will continue to fail
to satisfy us beyond offering "big boobed female sneaky butt Hawke -what
kind of walk is that really? Could you be more lame, wtf?" and pointles
melee mayhem and silly sexual innuendo.

In those areas I definately don't want BW to learn from Witcher.

[Relshar]

Darth Krytie wrote...

1. You do realise that Bioware is Canadian? And that EA also has studios in Canada? More than one?

As for the rights of a consumer? Um. Hate to break it to you. Bioware doesn't really owe us a custom-made game, tailored to each individual. They made a game. You didn't like it. Too bad. So sad. I loved it. Spending money on a game doesn't guarantee anything. Purchasing said game doesn't give you rights beyond the ability to play the thing on your console of choice. You have the game. It's complete. You might not like it, you might hate it, but you have it. Ergo, the payer/payee transaction is complete. You have a right to the disc working. Otherwise, you can exchange for one that functions properly. But, nowhere on a game does it guarantee that it'll be bug free or just what you wanted or anything.

As for this open letter to Gaider, you do realise he is not the sole hand in this franchise? He is not even the sole writer? He works within a group and they need to cooperate with other groups that do other functions. He is not an island.

As for the rest, I see you taking a lot of his comments out of context and either are willfully or unintentionally misinterpreting them.

So your saying we should be quiet and accept a poor quality game?
If this is the case then BioWare is going to fail in DA:3 because 90% of the reviews I read or hear about DA:2 are bad. And if BioWare brings out DA:3 without improvements ( more along the lines of what a dragon age game should be like as in DA:O). BioWare is going to be shut down by EA like all the other devlopment companies EA have owned.
You just got to look at EA's history from companies they have taken over. Its like looking at this.

[Malevolence65]

You make some good points, OP. I don't like Gaider's attitude either.

[Lianaar]

Relshar wrote...
So your saying we should be quiet and accept a poor quality game?

No, we say: be constructive. List what you dislike, and what you would prefer.
That is how you achieve things.
Saying: this sucks, won't change a thing.

[Torax]

Lianaar wrote...

Relshar wrote...
So your saying we should be quiet and accept a poor quality game?

No, we say: be constructive. List what you dislike, and what you would prefer.
That is how you achieve things.
Saying: this sucks, won't change a thing.

Exactly, solutions not more problems. There is complaining while offering ways to help and or compromises assuming any of us even understanding their goals as the developer. Then there is just complaining while not actually offering anything in the way of solutions. That is the real problem. Especially if the thread is just 10-20 pages of repeating the same complaints while not offering anything and calling everyone else dumb around them.

[Ksandor]

Lianaar wrote...

Ksandor wrote...

Sorry I just read your post. Could you please refer where I said this, especially the second part in related to first part? DragonAge should learn from Witcher and do less sexual scenes?
I said that although I don't change my opinion I should not have said it here. What could you ask for more? And you and I criticized each other for hours.

I am not even here for hours, only made two or three posts all together.


The quotes as requested: 

Ksandor wrote...
Or step aside and let games like Witcher 2 show you how it is done --at least in some areas.

Ksandor wrote...
Otherwise they will continue to fail
to satisfy us beyond offering "big boobed female sneaky butt Hawke -what
kind of walk is that really? Could you be more lame, wtf?" and pointles
melee mayhem and silly sexual innuendo.

In those areas I definately don't want BW to learn from Witcher.

I said that Witcher is better than DA II in some areas. I said that you should not have made female Hawke walk like that just in order to make her look sexy. It is very blatant and how many women did you see walking like that in public? But I never said Dragon Age II should have less sex scenes like Witcher. In fact I don't think DA II is truly a mature rated game. DAO was mature but DA II? A watered down version more likely. 

[Aldandil]

Lianaar wrote...

Relshar wrote...
So your saying we should be quiet and accept a poor quality game?

No, we say: be constructive. List what you dislike, and what you would prefer.
That is how you achieve things.
Saying: this sucks, won't change a thing.

Yes, and don't buy anymore games from BioWare that has the same features as DA2. That is what you can do that actually works. I liked DA2 and will buy DA3 if and when it's released though.

[Darth Krytie]

Relshar wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

1. You do realise that Bioware is Canadian? And that EA also has studios in Canada? More than one?

As for the rights of a consumer? Um. Hate to break it to you. Bioware doesn't really owe us a custom-made game, tailored to each individual. They made a game. You didn't like it. Too bad. So sad. I loved it. Spending money on a game doesn't guarantee anything. Purchasing said game doesn't give you rights beyond the ability to play the thing on your console of choice. You have the game. It's complete. You might not like it, you might hate it, but you have it. Ergo, the payer/payee transaction is complete. You have a right to the disc working. Otherwise, you can exchange for one that functions properly. But, nowhere on a game does it guarantee that it'll be bug free or just what you wanted or anything.

As for this open letter to Gaider, you do realise he is not the sole hand in this franchise? He is not even the sole writer? He works within a group and they need to cooperate with other groups that do other functions. He is not an island.

As for the rest, I see you taking a lot of his comments out of context and either are willfully or unintentionally misinterpreting them.

So you're (fixed your grammar) saying we should be quiet and accept a poor quality game?
If this is the case then BioWare is going to fail in DA:3 because 90% of the reviews I read or hear about DA:2 are bad. And if BioWare brings out DA:3 without improvements ( more along the lines of what a dragon age game should be like as in DA:O). BioWare is going to be shut down by EA like all the other devlopment companies EA have owned.
You just got to look at EA's history from companies they have taken over. Its like looking at this.

Awesome work taking my comment out of context. I was discussing OP's desire to be able to sue the company for a "Low Quality" game. I was discussing consumer rights in regards to that particular aspect of the OP.

You don't have to be quiet. I never said "don't complain". I said "you don't have a right to a personally tailored product" which is entirely different. As a consumer, your purse strings speak your opinion better than anything else.

Anyhow, Gaider et al are taking into consideration the criticism received for the game. Reviews are openly asked for in this very forum. So, again, my point was about consumer rights versus comany repsonsibility. It had nothing to do with whether people should whinge on about something wherever they please.

[Lianaar]

Ksandor wrote...

I said that Witcher is better than DA II in some areas. I said that you should not have made female Hawke walk like that just in order to make her look sexy. It is very blatant and how many women did you see walking like that in public? But I never said Dragon Age II should have less sex scenes like Witcher. In fact I don't think DA II is truly a mature rated game. DAO was mature but DA II? A watered down version more likely. 

I am glad we cleared it, as it sounded awkward. Alas, written text isn't always clear due to lack of non-verbal communication. I am more then happy to accept a clarification.

I personally was pleased with the way female Hawke moved, though I didn't find it sexy. I usually don't find women sexy. Point being: it is subjective.

[Ksandor]

Lianaar wrote...

Ksandor wrote...

I said that Witcher is better than DA II in some areas. I said that you should not have made female Hawke walk like that just in order to make her look sexy. It is very blatant and how many women did you see walking like that in public? But I never said Dragon Age II should have less sex scenes like Witcher. In fact I don't think DA II is truly a mature rated game. DAO was mature but DA II? A watered down version more likely. 

I am glad we cleared it, as it sounded awkward. Alas, written text isn't always clear due to lack of non-verbal communication. I am more then happy to accept a clarification.

I personally was pleased with the way female Hawke moved, though I didn't find it sexy. I usually don't find women sexy. Point being: it is subjective.

I personally prefer female Shepard in terms of walking animation. I want to ask something though. Which audience segment do you think Bioware aimed to reach by making Hawke walk like that? Straight guys, gays, lesbians, bisexuals? I think most likely straight teenage boys. I mean you say this is subjective but is their decision subjective?

[Nialos]

Ksandor wrote...

Lianaar wrote...

Ksandor wrote...

I said that Witcher is better than DA II in some areas. I said that you should not have made female Hawke walk like that just in order to make her look sexy. It is very blatant and how many women did you see walking like that in public? But I never said Dragon Age II should have less sex scenes like Witcher. In fact I don't think DA II is truly a mature rated game. DAO was mature but DA II? A watered down version more likely. 

I am glad we cleared it, as it sounded awkward. Alas, written text isn't always clear due to lack of non-verbal communication. I am more then happy to accept a clarification.

I personally was pleased with the way female Hawke moved, though I didn't find it sexy. I usually don't find women sexy. Point being: it is subjective.

I personally prefer female Shepard in terms of walking animation. I want to ask something though. Which audience segment do you think Bioware aimed to reach by making Hawke walk like that? Straight guys, gays, lesbians, bisexuals? I think most likely straight teenage boys. I mean you say this is subjective but is their decision subjective?

In my personal opinion, they try to make something that encompasses all demographs to a point - what comes out is a very odd animation. Hence why I think Bioware rarely does good work when it comes to animations.

Modifié par Nialos, 07 avril 2011 - 01:16 .

[Ksandor]

Darth Krytie wrote...

Relshar wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

1. You do realise that Bioware is Canadian? And that EA also has studios in Canada? More than one?

As for the rights of a consumer? Um. Hate to break it to you. Bioware doesn't really owe us a custom-made game, tailored to each individual. They made a game. You didn't like it. Too bad. So sad. I loved it. Spending money on a game doesn't guarantee anything. Purchasing said game doesn't give you rights beyond the ability to play the thing on your console of choice. You have the game. It's complete. You might not like it, you might hate it, but you have it. Ergo, the payer/payee transaction is complete. You have a right to the disc working. Otherwise, you can exchange for one that functions properly. But, nowhere on a game does it guarantee that it'll be bug free or just what you wanted or anything.

As for this open letter to Gaider, you do realise he is not the sole hand in this franchise? He is not even the sole writer? He works within a group and they need to cooperate with other groups that do other functions. He is not an island.

As for the rest, I see you taking a lot of his comments out of context and either are willfully or unintentionally misinterpreting them.

So you're (fixed your grammar) saying we should be quiet and accept a poor quality game?
If this is the case then BioWare is going to fail in DA:3 because 90% of the reviews I read or hear about DA:2 are bad. And if BioWare brings out DA:3 without improvements ( more along the lines of what a dragon age game should be like as in DA:O). BioWare is going to be shut down by EA like all the other devlopment companies EA have owned.
You just got to look at EA's history from companies they have taken over. Its like looking at this.

Awesome work taking my comment out of context. I was discussing OP's desire to be able to sue the company for a "Low Quality" game. I was discussing consumer rights in regards to that particular aspect of the OP.

You don't have to be quiet. I never said "don't complain". I said "you don't have a right to a personally tailored product" which is entirely different. As a consumer, your purse strings speak your opinion better than anything else.

Anyhow, Gaider et al are taking into consideration the criticism received for the game. Reviews are openly asked for in this very forum. So, again, my point was about consumer rights versus comany repsonsibility. It had nothing to do with whether people should whinge on about something wherever they please.

When we are talking about video games "we don't have a right to a personally tailored product"". OK. But please consider what would happen when you say that your seamstress. You are basically saying that people have no right to ask for personally tailored products.  

[Miashi]

Ksandor wrote...
I personally prefer female Shepard in terms of walking animation. I want to ask something though. Which audience segment do you think Bioware aimed to reach by making Hawke walk like that? Straight guys, gays, lesbians, bisexuals? I think most likely straight teenage boys. I mean you say this is subjective but is their decision subjective?

As a rather good example of this, I'm pretty sure Lady Gaga's sexy looks are definitely not solely targetting straight teenage boys. Bioware has a good amount of female players, and typically female players prefer to play female characters. Female players that don't look feminine are not so appealing. It's difficult to make a female character look feminine in a full plated armor. But maybe you didn't think about that.

Yeah you probably didn't think about that. It's all about teenage boys isn't it.

And lol at female Shepard animations. You realize that her movements are recycled male movements right? Just looks how she sits down with legs almost spread eagle while wearing her formal dress. It's very classy.

Modifié par Miashi, 07 avril 2011 - 01:19 .

[Torax]

Ksandor wrote...

Lianaar wrote...

Ksandor wrote...

I said that Witcher is better than DA II in some areas. I said that you should not have made female Hawke walk like that just in order to make her look sexy. It is very blatant and how many women did you see walking like that in public? But I never said Dragon Age II should have less sex scenes like Witcher. In fact I don't think DA II is truly a mature rated game. DAO was mature but DA II? A watered down version more likely. 

I am glad we cleared it, as it sounded awkward. Alas, written text isn't always clear due to lack of non-verbal communication. I am more then happy to accept a clarification.

I personally was pleased with the way female Hawke moved, though I didn't find it sexy. I usually don't find women sexy. Point being: it is subjective.

I personally prefer female Shepard in terms of walking animation. I want to ask something though. Which audience segment do you think Bioware aimed to reach by making Hawke walk like that? Straight guys, gays, lesbians, bisexuals? I think most likely straight teenage boys. I mean you say this is subjective but is their decision subjective?

Considering it's not just hawke. It's every human female except Aveline? I think it was partly for all the guys that gravitate more to Isabela than about Hawke. It would have been more annoying and probably have felt lazy on their part if all females used the same as Aveline. But it's also important to have Aveline move like a man. So females being more drastic of a change is fine. I didn't find it as much of a problem as others did. Origins was boring how they had it. Same for Mass Effect 2. Probably also cause of the Unreal engine maybe. That part I don't miss. Randomly getting stuck walking up a wall or box without an unstick command.

Modifié par Torax, 07 avril 2011 - 01:20 .

[Darth Krytie]

Ksandor wrote...


When we are talking about video games "we don't have a right to a personally tailored product"". OK. But please consider what would happen when you say that your seamstress. You are basically saying that people have no right to ask for personally tailored products.  

Um. Wow. You have this like...Super Hero ability to make giant leaps with a single bound. My seamstress isn't the same as a giant company massmarketing a product. The service a seamstress provides is to tailor things personally. Ergo, this is most ridiculous leap in not-logic I've seen in this thread today.

[Torax]

Ksandor wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

Relshar wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

1. You do realise that Bioware is Canadian? And that EA also has studios in Canada? More than one?

As for the rights of a consumer? Um. Hate to break it to you. Bioware doesn't really owe us a custom-made game, tailored to each individual. They made a game. You didn't like it. Too bad. So sad. I loved it. Spending money on a game doesn't guarantee anything. Purchasing said game doesn't give you rights beyond the ability to play the thing on your console of choice. You have the game. It's complete. You might not like it, you might hate it, but you have it. Ergo, the payer/payee transaction is complete. You have a right to the disc working. Otherwise, you can exchange for one that functions properly. But, nowhere on a game does it guarantee that it'll be bug free or just what you wanted or anything.

As for this open letter to Gaider, you do realise he is not the sole hand in this franchise? He is not even the sole writer? He works within a group and they need to cooperate with other groups that do other functions. He is not an island.

As for the rest, I see you taking a lot of his comments out of context and either are willfully or unintentionally misinterpreting them.

So you're (fixed your grammar) saying we should be quiet and accept a poor quality game?
If this is the case then BioWare is going to fail in DA:3 because 90% of the reviews I read or hear about DA:2 are bad. And if BioWare brings out DA:3 without improvements ( more along the lines of what a dragon age game should be like as in DA:O). BioWare is going to be shut down by EA like all the other devlopment companies EA have owned.
You just got to look at EA's history from companies they have taken over. Its like looking at this.

Awesome work taking my comment out of context. I was discussing OP's desire to be able to sue the company for a "Low Quality" game. I was discussing consumer rights in regards to that particular aspect of the OP.

You don't have to be quiet. I never said "don't complain". I said "you don't have a right to a personally tailored product" which is entirely different. As a consumer, your purse strings speak your opinion better than anything else.

Anyhow, Gaider et al are taking into consideration the criticism received for the game. Reviews are openly asked for in this very forum. So, again, my point was about consumer rights versus comany repsonsibility. It had nothing to do with whether people should whinge on about something wherever they please.

When we are talking about video games "we don't have a right to a personally tailored product"". OK. But please consider what would happen when you say that your seamstress. You are basically saying that people have no right to ask for personally tailored products.  

Now that is just petty. Attempting to compare a seamstress's work to a mass production video game IP? Are you even trying or just attempting to have the last word?

[Ksandor]

Torax wrote...

Ksandor wrote...

Lianaar wrote...

Ksandor wrote...

I said that Witcher is better than DA II in some areas. I said that you should not have made female Hawke walk like that just in order to make her look sexy. It is very blatant and how many women did you see walking like that in public? But I never said Dragon Age II should have less sex scenes like Witcher. In fact I don't think DA II is truly a mature rated game. DAO was mature but DA II? A watered down version more likely. 

I am glad we cleared it, as it sounded awkward. Alas, written text isn't always clear due to lack of non-verbal communication. I am more then happy to accept a clarification.

I personally was pleased with the way female Hawke moved, though I didn't find it sexy. I usually don't find women sexy. Point being: it is subjective.

I personally prefer female Shepard in terms of walking animation. I want to ask something though. Which audience segment do you think Bioware aimed to reach by making Hawke walk like that? Straight guys, gays, lesbians, bisexuals? I think most likely straight teenage boys. I mean you say this is subjective but is their decision subjective?

Considering it's not just hawke. It's every human female except Aveline? I think it was partly for all the guys that gravitate more to Isabela than about Hawke. It would have been more annoying and probably have felt lazy on their part if all females used the same as Aveline. But it's also important to have Aveline move like a man. So females being more drastic of a change is fine. I didn't find it as much of a problem as others did. Origins was boring how they had it. Same for Mass Effect 2. Probably also cause of the Unreal engine maybe. That part I don't miss. Randomly getting stuck walking up a wall or box without and unstick command.

Actually as a preference I don't like to see the breasts of a woman or muscles of a man wearing armor. Armor won't show what is under. I accept that seeing these things is aesthetic. But I prefer realism. Yeah it is a game. But I would like to see more realism at this respect. I find the way the female Shep runs very natural. But I hate the way she walks. A woman would not walk like that. And you can be gay or lesbian or bisexual, but I don't think that they take account anything besides straight guys when designing animations. The highest demand comes from them. Supply and demand issue we were walking about.

[Ksandor]

Torax wrote...

Ksandor wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

Relshar wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

1. You do realise that Bioware is Canadian? And that EA also has studios in Canada? More than one?

As for the rights of a consumer? Um. Hate to break it to you. Bioware doesn't really owe us a custom-made game, tailored to each individual. They made a game. You didn't like it. Too bad. So sad. I loved it. Spending money on a game doesn't guarantee anything. Purchasing said game doesn't give you rights beyond the ability to play the thing on your console of choice. You have the game. It's complete. You might not like it, you might hate it, but you have it. Ergo, the payer/payee transaction is complete. You have a right to the disc working. Otherwise, you can exchange for one that functions properly. But, nowhere on a game does it guarantee that it'll be bug free or just what you wanted or anything.

As for this open letter to Gaider, you do realise he is not the sole hand in this franchise? He is not even the sole writer? He works within a group and they need to cooperate with other groups that do other functions. He is not an island.

As for the rest, I see you taking a lot of his comments out of context and either are willfully or unintentionally misinterpreting them.

So you're (fixed your grammar) saying we should be quiet and accept a poor quality game?
If this is the case then BioWare is going to fail in DA:3 because 90% of the reviews I read or hear about DA:2 are bad. And if BioWare brings out DA:3 without improvements ( more along the lines of what a dragon age game should be like as in DA:O). BioWare is going to be shut down by EA like all the other devlopment companies EA have owned.
You just got to look at EA's history from companies they have taken over. Its like looking at this.

Awesome work taking my comment out of context. I was discussing OP's desire to be able to sue the company for a "Low Quality" game. I was discussing consumer rights in regards to that particular aspect of the OP.

You don't have to be quiet. I never said "don't complain". I said "you don't have a right to a personally tailored product" which is entirely different. As a consumer, your purse strings speak your opinion better than anything else.

Anyhow, Gaider et al are taking into consideration the criticism received for the game. Reviews are openly asked for in this very forum. So, again, my point was about consumer rights versus comany repsonsibility. It had nothing to do with whether people should whinge on about something wherever they please.

When we are talking about video games "we don't have a right to a personally tailored product"". OK. But please consider what would happen when you say that your seamstress. You are basically saying that people have no right to ask for personally tailored products.  

Now that is just petty. Attempting to compare a seamstress's work to a mass production video game IP? Are you even trying or just attempting to have the last word?

Did you read what I write? Please don't make me explain everything explicitly. I copy it here again:

When we are talking about video games "we don't have a right to a personally tailored product"". OK. But please consider what would happen when you say that your seamstress. You are basically saying that people have no right to ask for personally tailored products.  

Just tell me how you connect the second part to the first part. I basically say that your argument is valid for video games but it will fail for other products or services. You are irritated of me so much that you can't think straight anymore. What will happen when in future nanotechnology allow personilized products be cheaper than mass production products? That is of course a speculation but think about it.