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[marshalleck]

Sounds more like Liara in ME1, all geeky and naive and virginal

Modifié par marshalleck, 09 avril 2011 - 08:30 .

[Clover Rider]

Both fit more into the "Moe" type.

[JKoopman]

Dexi wrote...

Animes are HORRIBLE!

I mean, some are great, yeah... I grew up with DBZ.

But a Mass Effect Anime? The end is nigh!
Worse than X-Men anime...


Simply put, some things ARE NOT GOOD FOR ANIME!
Anime is a style of cartoons apart from the others. Apart not only by the presentation and drawing style ( which just wouldn't fit with the ME as we know it) but also through its characters, dialogs etc.
It has it's own cliches... Cliches that make the anime anime.
Applying those cliches to ME would ruin the universe. Each character will be dragged in an anime stereotype, and hence re-write that character and change it.


Because more retcons is what we need!


And I understand that it's a dream coming true for like 70% of the geeks here, but I beg you, THINK! It's not a good thing! It cannot be. The best it can be is decent. I'd settle for nothing, rather than decent.

See any of the darker and more mature anime like Ghost in the Shell SAC / 2nd GIG or Darker Than Black and then tell me how anime just wouldn't "fit" with Mass Effect.

Anime doesn't just equate to DBZ, Pokemon and Naruto. That's like basing an opinion of western animation entirely on Tom & Jerry and arguing that it's not a medium that's capable of depicting a serious story.

EDIT: Added English dub links.

GitS SAC
GitS 2nd GIG
Darker Than Black

Modifié par JKoopman, 09 avril 2011 - 10:41 .

[Rurik_Niall]

R Rarzy wrote...

IMO...

I'm ALL for Mass Effect branching out to other media, I can't get enough of ME. BUT, why why why an anime? I can't stand anime, and I don't understand what the fad is with it. They already made an anime for Halo, and it was the worst thing that ever came out of the series. Couldn't they have made some other kind of film? As an actual animator, I can't stand the poor quality of animation that anime as a whole is comprised of. You can call it a style choice, but it's still horrendous animation. Not to mention, I don't really think the Japanese style of anime fits the ME world. It didn't work with Dead Space either. Ugh.

Why not an anime? While you may not admire their art their storytelling is typically much better than American cartoons. America has this annoying stigma about cartoons and adults. You have your cartoons like Justice League that are mature and more adult oriented, sure, but the average "adult" cartoon is honestly more geared to teenagers, like Family Guy or that stupid one about talking food on Adult Swim. Ones like Justice League are exceedingly rare, and given that it would most likely end up being a straight to DVD release it would have a pretty low budget.

[JKoopman]

Rurik_Niall wrote...

R Rarzy wrote...

IMO...

I'm ALL for Mass Effect branching out to other media, I can't get enough of ME. BUT, why why why an anime? I can't stand anime, and I don't understand what the fad is with it. They already made an anime for Halo, and it was the worst thing that ever came out of the series. Couldn't they have made some other kind of film? As an actual animator, I can't stand the poor quality of animation that anime as a whole is comprised of. You can call it a style choice, but it's still horrendous animation. Not to mention, I don't really think the Japanese style of anime fits the ME world. It didn't work with Dead Space either. Ugh.

Why not an anime? While you may not admire their art their storytelling is typically much better than American cartoons. America has this annoying stigma about cartoons and adults. You have your cartoons like Justice League that are mature and more adult oriented, sure, but the average "adult" cartoon is honestly more geared to teenagers, like Family Guy or that stupid one about talking food on Adult Swim. Ones like Justice League are exceedingly rare, and given that it would most likely end up being a straight to DVD release it would have a pretty low budget.

Even with shows like Justice Leage and Young Justice, etc (which I admittedly enjoy), despite obviously being designed more for mature (15+) audiences, western animation standards still demand that they be completely tame and bloodless. No graphic violence. No nudity. Even sexual suggestion and things like kissing are taboo. No one ever gets shot, severely injured or dies (unless they're robots, in which case it's okay to dismember and destroy them in brutal and graphic fashions). Every time a plane gets shot down, you have to see a parachute, etc.

Basically, even if the stories are more mature, the shows themselves are still required to be sterile enough as to be "acceptable for children". Animation in the west really hasn't broken out of the "ultimately for kids" sterotype, despite obvious progress being made.

I would actually argue that shows like Family Guy, Aqua Teen Hunger Force and Harvey Birdman, etc are somewhat examples of steps in the right direction. Sure, they may be silly and crass and immature in their comedy, but they deal with much more mature situations and material. Anything that breaks western animation out of the "for kids" mold is good in my book.

Modifié par JKoopman, 09 avril 2011 - 12:59 .

[JKoopman]

If you look up the animation company, T.O. Entertainment, you can get a pretty good idea of what style the Mass Effect anime will be drawn in.

Master of Martial Hearts
Polyphonica
Umi Monogatari
Sasameki Koto
Baka to Test to Shōkanjū
The Legend of the Legendary Heroes
MM!
Freezing

Clearly, they fairly consistently lean towards the "cutesy" style. I can't say that would've been my first choice (I would've prefered something from Production I.G, creators of the Ghost in the Shell series, but I suppose even they have a few cutesy and unusual projects under their belts so who knows...?), but I can sort of picture something along the lines of their first production, Master of Martial Hearts, being used for a Mass Effect anime.

One thing that's sort of troubling is that they seem to predominantly develop fanservice anime, with lots of gratuitous bouncing boobs and panty-flashing. Then I have to ponder whether gratuitous Tali fanservice would really be a bad thing and I feel conflicted...

I'm of a wait-and-see attitude at this point. At the very least, it's reassuring to know that their artwork seems to be of a consistently high quality even if it's not in a particular style that I would've prefered, so I'm not too worried about the Mass Effect anime coming out looking like it's from 1992 as is so frequently the case with videogame tie-in series where they bid the animation out to the cheapest studio they can find.

Modifié par JKoopman, 09 avril 2011 - 02:44 .

[Rurik_Niall]

On the other hand Gainax, a company well known for their fanservice and responsible for Gurren Lagann, the single most over the top mecha anime of all time, is also the company that brought us Evangelion, the single most mind screwerific mecha anime of all time, so it's not as if a company is incapable of switching gears.

[Dexi]

JKoopman wrote...

Dexi wrote...

Animes are HORRIBLE!

I mean, some are great, yeah... I grew up with DBZ.

But a Mass Effect Anime? The end is nigh!
Worse than X-Men anime...


Simply put, some things ARE NOT GOOD FOR ANIME!
Anime is a style of cartoons apart from the others. Apart not only by the presentation and drawing style ( which just wouldn't fit with the ME as we know it) but also through its characters, dialogs etc.
It has it's own cliches... Cliches that make the anime anime.
Applying those cliches to ME would ruin the universe. Each character will be dragged in an anime stereotype, and hence re-write that character and change it.


Because more retcons is what we need!


And I understand that it's a dream coming true for like 70% of the geeks here, but I beg you, THINK! It's not a good thing! It cannot be. The best it can be is decent. I'd settle for nothing, rather than decent.

See any of the darker and more mature anime like Ghost in the Shell SAC / 2nd GIG or Darker Than Black and then tell me how anime just wouldn't "fit" with Mass Effect.

Anime doesn't just equate to DBZ, Pokemon and Naruto. That's like basing an opinion of western animation entirely on Tom & Jerry and arguing that it's not a medium that's capable of depicting a serious story.

EDIT: Added English dub links.

GitS SAC
GitS 2nd GIG
Darker Than Black

Thing with dark animes is they are even heavier users of stereotypes than Mass Effect...



Understand already its not about ME anime being dark and mature and not kidish, its about ME NOT BEING FIT FOR ANIME! Anime CAN NOT! I repeat, CAN NOT sustain ME because ME is just one of those things you can't put into anime and make it good. 


I know it's a geek dream becoming reality, I already told it, BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN IT MUST ACTUALLY BE GOOD, just because it exists. It will be bad. 

Wanna know why? 

ME1's story and initial plot for the trilogy is 1 in a trillion. That's why it's that good. Because somehow all the magical ingredients made their way over there. 
Then from ME1 coming, everything else, story-wise, SUCKED. With a few exceptions... Because the magical elements go more and more away, and the story deviates more and more from the original. 

The more the story progressed/will progress, and, concomitently, the more they go out of the safety zone, the more lost the stories around the initial game will become.

I'm totally for out of the box things, ( **** it, I'm an artist: painter, writter, theater and film actor and director, musician, and I'm still a young lad), but some things must be kept within boundries. 

The most out of boundries you can go with ME is anime. 



Stop lying to yourself. ME anime is a bad idea.

What can make it a brilliant thing, though, is that it's such a bad idea, and if done right, it might actually turn out good.

But I seriously doubt it. 

Modifié par Dexi, 09 avril 2011 - 03:13 .

[Rurik_Niall]

Dexi wrote...

Animes are HORRIBLE!

I mean, some are great, yeah... I grew up with DBZ.

But a Mass Effect Anime? The end is nigh!
Worse than X-Men anime...


Simply put, some things ARE NOT GOOD FOR ANIME!
Anime
is a style of cartoons apart from the others. Apart not only by the
presentation and drawing style ( which just wouldn't fit with the ME as
we know it) but also through its characters, dialogs etc.
It has it's own cliches... Cliches that make the anime anime.
Applying
those cliches to ME would ruin the universe. Each character will be
dragged in an anime stereotype, and hence re-write that character and
change it.


Because more retcons is what we need!


And
I understand that it's a dream coming true for like 70% of the geeks
here, but I beg you, THINK! It's not a good thing! It cannot be. The
best it can be is decent. I'd settle for nothing, rather than decent.

Dexi wrote...


Thing with dark animes is they are even heavier users of stereotypes than Mass Effect...



Understand already its not about ME anime being dark and mature and not kidish, its about ME NOT BEING FIT FOR ANIME! Anime CAN NOT! I repeat, CAN NOT sustain ME because ME is just one of those things you can't put into anime and make it good. 


I know it's a geek dream becoming reality, I already told it, BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN IT MUST ACTUALLY BE GOOD, just because it exists. It will be bad. 

Wanna know why? 

ME1's story and initial plot for the trilogy is 1 in a trillion. That's why it's that good. Because somehow all the magical ingredients made their way over there. 
Then from ME1 coming, everything else, story-wise, SUCKED. With a few exceptions... Because the magical elements go more and more away, and the story deviates more and more from the original. 

The more the story progressed/will progress, and, concomitently, the more they go out of the safety zone, the more lost the stories around the initial game will become.

I'm totally for out of the box things, ( **** it, I'm an artist: painter, writter, theater and film actor and director, musician, and I'm still a young lad), but some things must be kept within boundries. 

The most out of boundries you can go with ME is anime. 



Stop lying to yourself. ME anime is a bad idea.

What can make it a brilliant thing, though, is that it's such a bad idea, and if done right, it might actually turn out good.

But I seriously doubt it. 

[Tazzmission]

[quote]Dexi wrote...

[/quote]

Thing with dark animes is they are even heavier users of stereotypes than Mass Effect...



Understand already its not about ME anime being dark and mature and not kidish, its about ME NOT BEING FIT FOR ANIME! Anime CAN NOT! I repeat, CAN NOT sustain ME because ME is just one of those things you can't put into anime and make it good. 


I know it's a geek dream becoming reality, I already told it, BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN IT MUST ACTUALLY BE GOOD, just because it exists. It will be bad. 

Wanna know why? 

ME1's story and initial plot for the trilogy is 1 in a trillion. That's why it's that good. Because somehow all the magical ingredients made their way over there. 
Then from ME1 coming, everything else, story-wise, SUCKED. With a few exceptions... Because the magical elements go more and more away, and the story deviates more and more from the original. 

The more the story progressed/will progress, and, concomitently, the more they go out of the safety zone, the more lost the stories around the initial game will become.

I'm totally for out of the box things, ( **** it, I'm an artist: painter, writter, theater and film actor and director, musician, and I'm still a young lad), but some things must be kept within boundries. 

The most out of boundries you can go with ME is anime. 



Stop lying to yourself. ME anime is a bad idea.

What can make it a brilliant thing, though, is that it's such a bad idea, and if done right, it might actually turn out good.

But I seriously doubt it. 

[/quote]



shut up and go play call of duty

Modifié par Tazzmission, 09 avril 2011 - 03:54 .

[Dexi]

I do not play Call of Duty.

Also... learn to quote before being a smartass :-/

And yes, occasionally I'm a troll. Today I'm just honest. Hope you'll eventually be honest with yourself and admit that ME anime is bad.

[CroGamer002]

Dexi wrote...
And yes, occasionally I'm a troll.

That's enough for me.

[armass]

ME anime can be awesome if done right. For those who believe anime cant make good space opera, check out Space Adventure Cobra, i dare you. Preferably the 80's series.

[Dexi]

Mesina2 wrote...

Dexi wrote...
And yes, occasionally I'm a troll.

That's enough for me.

You're this inclined towards blindfolding yourself to facts that you do not see fitting to act pseudo-smart on a daily basis? 

[Dexi]

See that? It's pretty epic right?

Now watch this...

( hint: go to 2:40 for Master Chief Falcon Punch )...

Preeeettyy lame uh?

Now you tell me that that anime didn't ruined Halo. Not by much, what stands great from Halo remains great. But still.

Inevitably that's what we'll get from ME.

Cheesy-ass anime crap.


I'll be here laughing my ass when half of these forums will come with torches crying for the guy who had the anime idea to quit BW...

[Lady Luck]

Seriously? That Halo anime was so stupid. I mean the right word would be WTF?

[Rurik_Niall]

That's to be expected though given the source material, trying to make a good anime out of Halo is only slightly less difficult than trying to make an anime out of the Sims.

[TheBroodfather]

Great, now the world gets to watch as Sheparu-rama-sama-san-chan sets out to discover his/her(it's anime so I doubt we'll be able to tell either way) true power in order to fight for friendship and all that hogwash. Lovely.

[JKoopman]

TheBroodfather wrote...

Great, now the world gets to watch as Sheparu-rama-sama-san-chan sets out to discover his/her(it's anime so I doubt we'll be able to tell either way) true power in order to fight for friendship and all that hogwash. Lovely.

Throw a couple of "D*mn Nips" in there and we'd have ourselves a full-blown racist rant.

Hint: Watch more than just Sailor Moon before forming an opinion of an entire artform.

Seriously, no one in their right mind would hold up a grocery store romance novel as an example of all written fiction. No one in their right mind would point to Shaquille O'Neal's Kazaam as an example of all film. Certainly no one around here would appreciate if Super Columbine Massacre RPG was viewed as an example of all video games. But for some reason, people watch a few episodes of 1 or 2 anime series and feel that they're qualified to judge an entire medium. [/boggle]

I hate to sound like a broken record but, seriously, watch Ghost in the Shell SAC and 2nd GIG and see what a serious sci-fi anime looks like before dismissing it wholesale.

[TheBroodfather]

JKoopman wrote...

TheBroodfather wrote...

Great, now the world gets to watch as Sheparu-rama-sama-san-chan sets out to discover his/her(it's anime so I doubt we'll be able to tell either way) true power in order to fight for friendship and all that hogwash. Lovely.

Throw a couple of "D*mn Nips" in there and we'd have ourselves a full-blown racist rant.

Hint: Watch more than just Sailor Moon before forming an opinion of an entire artform.

Seriously, no one in their right mind would hold up a grocery store romance novel as an example of all written fiction. No one in their right mind would point to Shaquille O'Neal's Kazaam as an example of all film. Certainly no one around here would appreciate if Super Columbine Massacre RPG was viewed as an example of all video games. But for some reason, people watch a few episodes of 1 or 2 anime series and feel that they're qualified to judge an entire medium. [/boggle]

I hate to sound like a broken record but, seriously, watch Ghost in the Shell SAC and 2nd GIG and see what a serious sci-fi anime looks like before dismissing it wholesale.

Yep... I'm a racist. Because not liking anime is clearly the same as not liking Asian people... Kinda like how finding wooden shoes odd is the same as not liking white people... Riiiight...
Anyways, I've seen enough anime to form an opinion on it. Believe me or not, I don't care. Sorry if the way I express my dislike of anime hurts your feelings.

[JKoopman]

TheBroodfather wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

TheBroodfather wrote...

Great, now the world gets to watch as Sheparu-rama-sama-san-chan sets out to discover his/her(it's anime so I doubt we'll be able to tell either way) true power in order to fight for friendship and all that hogwash. Lovely.

Throw a couple of "D*mn Nips" in there and we'd have ourselves a full-blown racist rant.

Hint: Watch more than just Sailor Moon before forming an opinion of an entire artform.

Seriously, no one in their right mind would hold up a grocery store romance novel as an example of all written fiction. No one in their right mind would point to Shaquille O'Neal's Kazaam as an example of all film. Certainly no one around here would appreciate if Super Columbine Massacre RPG was viewed as an example of all video games. But for some reason, people watch a few episodes of 1 or 2 anime series and feel that they're qualified to judge an entire medium. [/boggle]

I hate to sound like a broken record but, seriously, watch Ghost in the Shell SAC and 2nd GIG and see what a serious sci-fi anime looks like before dismissing it wholesale.

Yep... I'm a racist. Because not liking anime is clearly the same as not liking Asian people... Kinda like how finding wooden shoes odd is the same as not liking white people... Riiiight...
Anyways, I've seen enough anime to form an opinion on it. Believe me or not, I don't care. Sorry if the way I express my dislike of anime hurts your feelings.

It has nothing to do with disliking anime. "Sheparu-rama-sama-san-chan" could easily be seen as mockery of Japanese people and their language. You might as well put on some buck teeth and go "Ching Chong Chung 'ruv you 'rong time!"

Modifié par JKoopman, 09 avril 2011 - 10:03 .

[Rurik_Niall]

JKoopman wrote...

Certainly no one around here would appreciate if Super Columbine Massacre RPG was viewed as an example of all video games.

Wait, is that a real game or exageration? Because in the former case that piques my morbid curiousity to see just how bad it really is.