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[Eduadinho]

@ Dark Ninja 
TL:DR but the jist of it is just a lot of whinging, Bioware stick to what you are doing its awesome the end

Modifié par Eduadinho, 18 avril 2011 - 10:30 .

[looloolooigotsomeapples]

Dark ninja 282 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

I think it's still too early to tell exactly where they're going with this and it might very well be 'too early' until the game is released. I know it's small consolation and I'm kind of on-edge about this as well (I'm anti-Cerberus, but it frustrates me for the pro-Cerberus fans out there) but we'll see where things go.

I’m actually more surprised/shocked that there are pro-Cerberus fans out there, and actually I find it kind of funny and taken back by it quite a bit in disbelief. Is it like a bad guy’s fan group, or feel pity on the illusive man because they them selves are outcasts? Or is it because of the cool armor?  

They are not supposed to be evil, at least, not in ME2. They are supposed to be a group that has a bad past and has supposedly changed, but they're still shady and it's morally grey to help them. Pro-Cerberus fans feel like they are the best option given the information they have about them. 

[Dark ninja 282]

Eduadinho wrote...


@ Dark Ninja 
TL:DR but the jist of it is just a lot of whinging, Bioware stick to what you are doing its awesome the end

 
Well if you didn't read it how do you know it is just whining? I write a lot in general, you should learn to be more tolerate to long articles (because clearly not everything can be explained in 5 sentences.) I don't see you complaining about the size of game informer articles and probably not any large articles.  And it is suggestions not whining, because never once do I whine in that argument but of course you wouldn't know that because you didn't read it. And by the way TL:DR (to long, didn't read) is whining because you are complaining about the size of a article or paper because you are lazy even though I can read a paper that size in one minute, so you are a hypocrite. In turn your argument falls on deaf ears. 
(What about books do you read them or are they too long as well for you? picture books might work if you are having trouble, I will instead add a diagram with what I say next time just for you ok?)

Modifié par Dark ninja 282, 19 avril 2011 - 07:15 .

[Dark ninja 282]

looloolooigotsomeapples wrote...

Dark ninja 282 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

I think it's still too early to tell exactly where they're going with this and it might very well be 'too early' until the game is released. I know it's small consolation and I'm kind of on-edge about this as well (I'm anti-Cerberus, but it frustrates me for the pro-Cerberus fans out there) but we'll see where things go.

I’m actually more surprised/shocked that there are pro-Cerberus fans out there, and actually I find it kind of funny and taken back by it quite a bit in disbelief. Is it like a bad guy’s fan group, or feel pity on the illusive man because they them selves are outcasts? Or is it because of the cool armor?  

They are not supposed to be evil, at least, not in ME2. They are supposed to be a group that has a bad past and has supposedly changed, but they're still shady and it's morally grey to help them. Pro-Cerberus fans feel like they are the best option given the information they have about them. 

I don't mean evil but I didn't think corrupt had enough emotional value when I wrote it out and saying evil brings more attention to it, it’s just eye catchy that’s all. And read the books first before you make an acquisition that Cerberus has changed for the better. And I think I understand, so its a fanboy group for Cerberus is it?

Modifié par Dark ninja 282, 19 avril 2011 - 07:30 .

[Black_Arrow141]

I am defintely pro-cerberus/Illusive Man.

I agree with his methods, he's the one who can make the hard decisions, and is willing to sacrifice for the greater good. Look at the big picture.. for example, using the Krogan as Shock troopers against the Reapers as he suggested (If you kept Genophage data).. that'd possibly save more Human lives, just send the Krogan in as the front line soldiers.

I'm hoping I can get to confront TIM, and convince him I'm still on his side. He must have his reasons for going after Shepard.. it just better not be a stupid reason, Bioware..

[Daryst]

Knowing what kind of options you had in both ME games. I am fairly sure that there is a compromise somewhere for player that stuck with the morals and believes of Cerberus. Otherwise, why put the options there in the first place.

[Lvl20DM]

The fact that Bioware are keeping the Cerberus angle so secret should be telling. It will probably be a mystery central to the game's plot, and given TIM's "whatever the costs" attitude, I'm guessing that he sees Shep as a real threat to humanity's survival.

[Eduadinho]

Dark ninja 282 wrote...

I would like to say that I love mass effect, it combines everything I ever wanted in an RPG, how ever mass effect 2 disappointed me and of course other RPG fans. 

When I saw the gunship I was like wow I want to fly one! However I was greatly disappointed until I got a chance to fly in the car during the shadow broker mission. 

The Mako wasn’t bad… it was the boring terrain but the DLC in the second game was worse how repetitive, to hover around a dusty plane for a couple of missions and gather materials in a barren wasteland is not fun.

What is with these small maps? 

First off I know where this is going; no multiplayer please I can easily tell that’s where it is heading. The clips, the arrow following, and the boring map design all means multiplayer.

Dealing with evil organizations, like the corporation on Ileum, when recruiting thane, and fighting against Cerberus in the first game was disappointing, what should have felt so Noir became so bland.

Pictured: Whining
A short summary of your argument. I didn't read the whole thing but this is the general jist of it. An in regards to what do I read let me see academic journal articles  and books for my degree (I won't argue that some of them are just repetitive bollocks).
And uh oh now we are stuck in a whinge cycle I whinged about you them you did about me them I am doing it again. Oh the humanity when will it end.

[durdan988]

How would shepard be the real threat to humanity?

[KillerGuy3]

durdan988 wrote...

How would shepard be the real threat to humanity?

Maybe if you made poor choices in ME3 you could get indoctrinated?

[kotor610]

Dark ninja 282 wrote...


I don't mean evil but I didn't think corrupt had enough emotional value when I wrote it out and saying evil brings more attention to it, it’s just eye catchy that’s all. And read the books first before you make an acquisition that Cerberus has changed for the better. And I think I understand, so its a fanboy group for Cerberus is it?

i don't think that pro-cerberus fans believed that cerberus is good, but as a neccessary evil. as the allliance and the council looked blindly at the situation even after the menace quite litterally knocking at its front door. cerberus was the only one to take any action on the matter.

obviously cerberus are not the good guys. as evident in their methods of conduct. but the illusive man sees past petty morality, and does things for the greater good. kill one to save a thousand. sure his methods are crude but time is not on the galaxy's side.

as a side note. it technically does not mention "KILLING" commander shapard. the illusive man may be trrying to reconvert him\\her back to his side, and away from the alliances.

[durdan988]

KillerGuy3 wrote...

durdan988 wrote...

How would shepard be the real threat to humanity?

Maybe if you made poor choices in ME3 you could get indoctrinated?

Or if your choices furthered the goals of the alien civilizations? TIM might interpret that as a threat to humanity.

[Evil_medved]

Probably TIM attacks you if have any romances done, coz he secretly has crash on ya and gets jealous.

[ebevan91]

I was pro-Cerberus at first, but right now I'm doing a pro-Alliance playthrough.

[Eduadinho]

Or maybe at the trial at the start you spill the beans on Cerberus operations

[Nexus Arcade]

I want that cerberus armor.

[squidney2k1]

Just got my issue.....oh man, am I freakin' excited. I got especially thrilled about the weapon customization because I think that's what the community has been asking for in many discussions on this very forum. Kudos to all!


But just a pet peeve Bioware.....if you make Shepard's Tech Armor (assuming he has it) pulse like a shining disco ball, instead of doing it the way enemies have it (and how it appears on them in cut-scenes), I will personally make a visit to your studios and leave a flaming brown paper bag at your doorstep.

.....I bet Chris will step on it, too. He's daft like that!

[kotor610]

Eduadinho wrote...

Or maybe at the trial at the start you spill the beans on Cerberus operations

I'm sure that Bioware will allow you to. I don't think that they are going to force any decisions down your throat..

[Uszi]

I get the impression that it might be explained that Cerberus is still totally evil and Tim put on a good face to try and use you.

That or maybe he's a reaper pawn. That one would be an easy explanation too.

[Skalman91]

mrsph wrote...

Liara is crazy.

This is not a joke. She is probably the most crazy person recruited that isn't named Jack.

Fortunatley, I like crazy.

[spectre25]

Skalman91 wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Liara is crazy.

This is not a joke. She is probably the most crazy person recruited that isn't named Jack.

Fortunatley, I like crazy.

Yeah, i was so bummed you couldnt recruit liara in ME2

[Dark ninja 282]

Eduadinho wrote...

Dark ninja 282 wrote...

I would like to say that I love mass effect, it combines everything I ever wanted in an RPG, how ever mass effect 2 disappointed me and of course other RPG fans. 

When I saw the gunship I was like wow I want to fly one! However I was greatly disappointed until I got a chance to fly in the car during the shadow broker mission. 

The Mako wasn’t bad… it was the boring terrain but the DLC in the second game was worse how repetitive, to hover around a dusty plane for a couple of missions and gather materials in a barren wasteland is not fun.

What is with these small maps? 

First off I know where this is going; no multiplayer please I can easily tell that’s where it is heading. The clips, the arrow following, and the boring map design all means multiplayer.

Dealing with evil organizations, like the corporation on Ileum, when recruiting thane, and fighting against Cerberus in the first game was disappointing, what should have felt so Noir became so bland.

Pictured: Whining
A short summary of your argument. I didn't read the whole thing but this is the general jist of it. An in regards to what do I read let me see academic journal articles  and books for my degree (I won't argue that some of them are just repetitive bollocks).
And uh oh now we are stuck in a whinge cycle I whinged about you them you did about me them I am doing it again. Oh the humanity when will it end.

Now I have to tell a person with a degree, (did you say?) On  the difference between whining and complaints wow. It all depends on the tone, the intent and the structure of the entire argument. And sense all you have showed are complaints, and the “complaint” about not being in a gunship was a "tongue in cheek” a type of suggestion. Clearly you do not know what whining is. A whine is when someone has an opinion without an argument it usually goes like this "This is wrong and I don't like it!" That is a whine.  
And clearly what I have are complaints and suggestions with some humor (clearly) yet cut and paste from the arguments and frames it as whining. Hey guy with supposed degree, I have a suggestion for you, grow up or shut up.   

Modifié par Dark ninja 282, 21 avril 2011 - 08:35 .

[Dark ninja 282]

kotor610 wrote...

Dark ninja 282 wrote...


I don't mean evil but I didn't think corrupt had enough emotional value when I wrote it out and saying evil brings more attention to it, it’s just eye catchy that’s all. And read the books first before you make an acquisition that Cerberus has changed for the better. And I think I understand, so its a fanboy group for Cerberus is it?

i don't think that pro-cerberus fans believed that cerberus is good, but as a neccessary evil. as the allliance and the council looked blindly at the situation even after the menace quite litterally knocking at its front door. cerberus was the only one to take any action on the matter.

obviously cerberus are not the good guys. as evident in their methods of conduct. but the illusive man sees past petty morality, and does things for the greater good. kill one to save a thousand. sure his methods are crude but time is not on the galaxy's side.

as a side note. it technically does not mention "KILLING" commander shapard. the illusive man may be trrying to reconvert himher back to his side, and away from the alliances.
 

So it is a fan boy club. And a “necessary evil because the alliance and the council looked blindly at the situation even after the menace quite literally knocking at its front door, Cerberus was the only one to take any action on the matter.” Ok then lets take out the fact that the reaper threat is there, its no necessary evil anymore now is it its just a corrupt group with way to much power and can never be trusted. (You need to learn some sociology I think) “To kill one to save 1000 time is not on the galaxy's side.”  We are not on a sinking ship sure the “impending” doom is coming, but unlike a sinking ship it isn’t as urgent clearly lol!  And the Illusive Man(clearly is almost borderline personality.) has been doing these immoral acts for quite a while now, before the first game so one cannot wipe his slate clean just because they want to save the human race. He cannot be trusted, even more so with martin sheen playing him. lol

[IndigoWolfe]

Skalman91 wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Liara is crazy.

This is not a joke. She is probably the most crazy person recruited that isn't named Jack.

Fortunately, I like crazy.

Smelling Cortana reference...

[Skalman91]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Smelling Cortana reference...

I was hoping someone would pick up on that.

But seriously though, give me Liara as a permanent squadmember in ME3 an may there be atleast 1 possible ending where my femshep and Liara lives happily ever after and I won't care about much else.

Liara+Femshep=Happy ending! ....or else!!! *insert udina demanding action*