164 réponses à ce sujet

[Fixers0]

Bamboozalist wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Are you sure, i always tought that they just want to kill everything, did the naritive ever said they were hareversting organics, i thought that t-8000 created out of human goo. was just a crazy plan brought up by harbinger to do something.

EDI says that the Reapers are organic/synthetic hybrids. The T-8000 was an expirement to see if they could make a Reaper out of humans and Harbinger's "you have changed nothing" probably refers to the fact that humanity will still be harvested considering that the human-reaper wasn't made to help the Reapers get back into the galaxy.

How does she even know that, she only made a scan of t-8000 so how does she now this also extents to the rest of the Reapers, besides, sovereign really said that Organics were nothing to them, so really organics,  aren't nothing but the most important  thing to your pro-creation, great more retcons without explanation.

[Tazzmission]

Bamboozalist wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

if your discussing the dark knight it is said in the film by the joker and alfred that the joker wants to see the whole world burn, the point of joker vs batman in the film is to get batman to break his one rule wich is batman dosent kill. even when joker burns the mob money he says it's not about money its about sending a message

That's exactly what we're discussing. Villains having a motivation beyond being evil for being evil. Also another point that needs to be brought up is that memorable villains are memorable because of their actions not their motivations. You can have the most well written well motivated villain of all time but if he/she doesn't do anything, they're a crappy villain. Good actions can make up for "crappy" motives but good motives can't make up for crappy actions.

thats how i look at the reapers and there cylcle. i believe the reapers are the joker of mass effect 3 because they know they can get the job done and they dont care about organic life. soverighn is one of the best written characters in a videogame based on the convo you have with him in me1. just because sovy is no more dosent mean harbinger or e.t.c w/e reaper dosent share that same mentality

[Xarello111]

I like the Reapers, and I think that alot do, it may just be this guy,,, I remember recently that a guy on IGN was interviewing the lead dev for Homefront, and he was really rude and talked about how the story was unplausible... a week later they released an artical stating how plausible the plot was xD

[Bamboozalist]

Fixers0 wrote...

How does she even know that, she only made a scan of t-8000 so how does she now this also extents to the rest of the Reapers, besides, sovereign really said that Organics were nothing to them, so really organics,  aren't nothing but the most important  thing to your pro-creation, great more retcons without explanation.

They are nothing to them, they're nothing but "food/material". It would be like if the *insert last meal you ate here* started talking about how it was going to stop you from eating it. You would probably just laugh at it and keep eating. Not everything is 100% literal.

[Chewin]

Tazzmission wrote...

thats how i look at the reapers and there cylcle. i believe the reapers are the joker of mass effect 3 because they know they can get the job done and they dont care about organic life.

Whaa?

Modifié par Chewin3, 07 avril 2011 - 07:17 .

[Bamboozalist]

Chewin3 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

thats how i look at the reapers and there cylcle. i believe the reapers are the joker of mass effect 3 because they know they can get the job done and they dont care about organic life.

Whaa?

I think he means they destroy the galaxy just because it's what they do. AKA no motives, evil because they're evil, and so on.

[CannotCompute]

We still don't know all that much about the Reapers. So Gamespot can't reach the conclusion that they're not interesting yet IMO.. not until they've played part 3. I really hope the final game will reveal a lot or even everything about them (motives, origin, etc.). Kind of fed up with not knowing.

Modifié par CannotCompute, 07 avril 2011 - 07:28 .

[Chewin]

Bamboozalist wrote...

I think he means they destroy the galaxy just because it's what they do. AKA no motives, evil because they're evil, and so on.

Tazzmission should read more comics...

Modifié par Chewin3, 07 avril 2011 - 07:19 .

[Tazzmission]

Bamboozalist wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

thats how i look at the reapers and there cylcle. i believe the reapers are the joker of mass effect 3 because they know they can get the job done and they dont care about organic life.

Whaa?

I think he means they destroy the galaxy just because it's what they do. AKA no motives, evil because they're evil, and so on.

exactly. i also think back to alien vs predator where the guy mentions to the chick that the predators set up a trap for the humans  because its hunting season for them. i kinda view the reapers the same way when they allow a civilization to advance and bam they come in for the kill

[Apollo Starflare]

termokanden wrote...

I find this quote amusing:

Who are your favorite villains, and what games failed to capitalize on the possibilities of a big, bad presence?

It pretty much assumes you must have a big bad presence. Why? Because we're used to it, because Sephiroth says so?

They also say the lack of a villain hurts DA2. I can only disagree. Some people need to have some obvious bad guy to beat to know what they're doing, but that doesn't mean all games should be designed this way.

I should have known they would have been one of the facepalm inducing critics who claim that the lack of a big nasty evil monster guy to hate makes a game's plot weak. There is plenty you can criticise about DA2 but I'll never understand that one. They expect storytelling in games to evolve and grow stronger, just so long as noone changes the status quo too much? You've gotta have the big giant evil dragon thing to kill on the last level? Gah.

[Fixers0]

Bamboozalist wrote...

They are nothing to them, they're nothing but "food/material". It would be like if the *insert last meal you ate here* started talking about how it was going to stop you from eating it. You would probably just laugh at it and keep eating. Not everything is 100% literal.

Sure, but it sill doesn't explain why EDI knows this.

[Bamboozalist]

Chewin3 wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

I think he means they destroy the galaxy just because it's what they do. AKA no motives, evil because they're evil, and so on.

Tazzmission should read more comics...

We're talking about the Joker in relation to the Dark Knight.

[Tazzmission]

Nyoka wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

thats how i look at the reapers and there cylcle. i believe the reapers are the joker of mass effect 3 because they know they can get the job done and they dont care about organic life.

Whaa?

I think he means they destroy the galaxy just because it's what they do. AKA no motives, evil because they're evil, and so on.

But the joker is an agent of chaos, while the reapers want to impose order.

the joker wanted order also..... remember when he said in order to restore order you must upset the establishment when he was in the hospital with dent.?


the reapers in a way are similar seeing as the human establishment and all organic life is a gentetic mutation so what do the reapers do? they become the agents of chaos and upset the organic order by extinction

Modifié par Tazzmission, 07 avril 2011 - 07:24 .

[Tazzmission]

Fixers0 wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

They are nothing to them, they're nothing but "food/material". It would be like if the *insert last meal you ate here* started talking about how it was going to stop you from eating it. You would probably just laugh at it and keep eating. Not everything is 100% literal.

Sure, but it sill doesn't explain why EDI knows this.

edis reaper technolgy dude...... you learn that in the game when you talk with her after the cerbrus security blocks are removed

[Akizora]

The golden rule for trilogies should have applied to Mass Effect, usually you are brought into a desperate situation by the end of the second part. - You know what the enemy is and you feel hopeless because there is nothing you can do to stop them, they are an unstoppable force that will destroy everything in its path. Unfortunately the Reapers weren't developed enough in ME2, without resorting to spoilers I can clearly say that the only thing I learned from them was that they try very hard to be evil...too hard.

[Bamboozalist]

Fixers0 wrote...

Sure, but it sill doesn't explain why EDI knows this.

Cerberus was studying a derelict reaper?

[Nathan Redgrave]

I disagree that the Reapers are dull. It'd be more accurate to say that they're mysterious. They're backstage villains. A lot of games use these, with varying degrees of success. Final Fantasy VII's oh-so-sainted Sephiroth is such a one, in fact.

Mass Effect supplements its background villains with other characters to provide more immediate and fleshed-out characters, the two big ones at this point being Saren Arterius in Mass Effect 1 and the Illusive Man in Mass Effect 2.

[Fixers0]

Bamboozalist wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Sure, but it sill doesn't explain why EDI knows this.

Cerberus was studying a derelict reaper?

So she din't bothered bring that up earlier, because she didn't knew it back then or for the sake of the plot she wasn't allowed to tell, she only brings it up right after t-8000, so now all reapers are suddenly cybernetic. without further expostion, why wasn't this some kind of crazy (and failed) experiment of harbinger.

She also says, ''the exact construction methods are unclear'' so she isn't sure abouth how reapers are made.
still don't believe me watch  this (www.youtube.com/watch) video from 09:41

Modifié par Fixers0, 07 avril 2011 - 07:47 .

[Chewin]

Bamboozalist wrote...

We're talking about the Joker in relation to the Dark Knight.

Yeah I noticed that, but Joker is a poor choice to compare the reapers.

The "comic" Joker just wants to have fun. He wants to perform the greates joke of all. He wants to claim insanity, so the cops put him in Arkham. But Joker is smarten than everyone else. He escapes, and gets recaptured again. Joker wants to have fun and take the world to his level.

Now you were talking about the 'Dark Knight Joker'. The Joker who  "wants" to know who batman is, but he doesnt really care, he just wants chaos and someone to fight, and as long as no one knows who the Batman really is, he'll get just that. He also knows that batman is not a person, its a symbol of hope, and even if the person behind the mask is killed, someone will always be there to take up the cape and cowl and become Gothams symbol of hope. He wanted to brake Batman so that even someone as good as himself can fall down to 'his level'.

Basically, I don't see any resemblance with the Reapers here

Modifié par Chewin3, 07 avril 2011 - 07:47 .

[Bamboozalist]

Fixers0 wrote...

So she din't bothered bring that up earlier, because she didn't knew it back then or for the sake of the plot she wasn't allowed to tell, she only brings it up right after t-8000, so now all reapers are suddenly cybernetic. without further expostion, why wasn't this some kind of crazy (and failed) experiment of harbinger.

Before the Abduction/Suicide Mission she can't tell Shepard "clasified" information.

Also
"Hey Shepard the reapers are part organic..."
"AND!? You're telling me this why? This changes what we're doing how? We still have to go through the Omega 4 relay, okay Reapers are gigantic cyborgs! Now I have to get back the recruiting people and solving their 'daddy issues'"

[PARAGON87]

I am not one for bashing, but a website who underrates every single great game it reviews (but gives GTAIV a 10) is dull.

[ianmcdonald]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Dull? While I love Jon Irenicus, the Reapers want to destroy the planet and wipe entire civilizations from exixtance. Perhaps Gamespot needs a little more perspective?