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[Tazzmission]

PARAGON87 wrote...

I am not one for bashing, but a website who underrates every single great game it reviews (but gives GTAIV a 10) is dull.

gta 4 imo deserved an 8 the most. but back on topic i agree with what you said

[Xivai]

I agree the Reapers are ****ing boring. Woo terrible space monsters come to destroy you. Yawn whatever. Hell it's even more hilarious when we look at Kasumi reading books. At least one of which must have some unknown force destroying the galaxy. What the **** kind of meta **** is going on there. So in game these character should be aware of this type of story line big evil comes to destroy the galaxy. They don't even find this somewhat humorous there playing a story out?

The reapers go rawr, shepard goes pew pew. The end. That's as notable as these villains are. I've stopped liking Mass Effect for the story a long time ago, it's the interactions and smaller stories which can sometimes be better. Overall though I think these are my last Bioware games, the others get chucked in the seen it and done it bin.

Edit
These villains have only ever failed. How the **** are they villains? Where's their credibility? We haven't seen them do anything evil, we just have to have it in good faith they are. Bul****.

Modifié par Xivai, 07 avril 2011 - 08:04 .

[IrishSpectre257]

We barely know anything about them, which is going to get dull after 2 games. The revelations about the Reapers in ME3 will either make them or break them.

[Xivai]

IrishSpectre257 wrote...

We barely know anything about them, which is going to get dull after 2 games. The revelations about the Reapers in ME3 will either make them or break them.

Exactly. Also if we want to redeem them, I want the state of the galaxy to be in a right mess. Victory only coming at a steep cost, Shepards life minimum and probably several of your squad/allies in the fight. Absolutely devastating. Otherwise it's going to come off as lame everything is JUST ****ING DANDY! After they sail off into the sunset total victory assured agasint another ancient evil alien race thats been stopped.

[AtreiyaN7]

Xivai wrote...

I agree the Reapers are ****ing boring. Woo terrible space monsters come to destroy you. Yawn whatever. Hell it's even more hilarious when we look at Kasumi reading books. At least one of which must have some unknown force destroying the galaxy. What the **** kind of meta **** is going on there. So in game these character should be aware of this type of story line big evil comes to destroy the galaxy. They don't even find this somewhat humorous there playing a story out?

The reapers go rawr, shepard goes pew pew. The end. That's as notable as these villains are. I've stopped liking Mass Effect for the story a long time ago, it's the interactions and smaller stories which can sometimes be better. Overall though I think these are my last Bioware games, the others get chucked in the seen it and done it bin.

Edit
These villains have only ever failed. How the **** are they villains? Where's their credibility? We haven't seen them do anything evil, we just have to have it in good faith they are. Bul****.

Right - so I guess the Protheans just turned themselves into the Collectors and wiped out their own civilization? Oh wait, right, it was the Reapers who did that. I'm 99.9% sure I talked to Vigil in detail about what happened to the Protheans in ME1 too. Their (the Reapers that is) background is meant to be fairly mysterious. I can't really comprehend how you can seriously expect the Reapers to somehow be knowable and have all their secrets revealed when, upon the ending of each cycle, they return and wipe out all traces of intelligent life (that the Protheans managed to beat them in a small way with their beacon(s), etc. is probably a minor miracle).

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 07 avril 2011 - 08:32 .

[hex23]

I don't understand the angle of the article. They list "humanity" as a trait for a good villain, right off the bat the Reapers don't qualify because they aren't relateable, knowable, or human.

I think Gamespot is getting "mysterious" confused with "dull". They complain we don't know much about the Reapers....why would we? They're obviously modeled after Lovecraft's Great Old Ones. Unknowable cosmic evil. They have zero reason to spell out their motives to us.

[Xivai]

That's just it. This whole... unknowable facade is a lie. Their technology is based upon the Mass Relay's we know they have some sort of human desire. If they didn't why get involved with anything even related to us? Their thought patterns are based on their technology, and our thought patterns are based off of theirs. So YES we can know them. There just trying to lie and hide these facts from us so all the stupid humans beleive the end really is here.

Shoot them enough and they seem to die like anything else. There's nothing mysterious about them, but at the same time we didn't get answers where it was needed. Now they come off as lame. Yea were the doom of the universe *cough hack* but at the same time we need you guis srs don't leave us. They just come off as gigantic hypocrites.

Finally I meant villainy in a sense we can identify with it. Oooo mysterious alien race we have no idea what it looked like before they got wiped out and turned into robotic drones. Weeee! I don't really feel bad killing stupid robots. They've done nothing seirous to humans. We got the colonists back and stuff. There's just nothing there on their credentials saying yes were villains from billion of years ago your screwed. More like... B league of villains.

[kregano]

I have to agree, Reapers suck as villains, but not because they're mysterious or inhuman, but because they are really a fairly boring trope stuck in a universe where there's a lot more interesting things happening in the background. Don't get me wrong, I like Lovecraftian beings, but there can also be too much of a good thing and the Reapers are it. Plus there's the fact that I'm pretty sure ME3 will end with them being defeated, with the slightest chance that Bioware might actually have the good guys lose and all civilization in the galaxy NOMed by the Reapers, which makes their plot really boring.

[Valcutio]

I like the Reapers. I think Gamespot just means that they need a central personality.

Don't get me wrong though, Jon Irenicus broke the mold on villains.

[Fiery Phoenix]

It's probably just because of that thing named Harbinger, who I believe is beyond dull.

[suprhomre]

Almostfaceman wrote...

I play a video game for myself. When the Reapers were introduce in ME1, I thought it was the coolest idea ever. I still do. Nobody else's opinion can take away my experience and my anticipation.

I feel the same.

[antique_nova]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Dull? While I love Jon Irenicus, the Reapers want to destroy the planet and wipe entire civilizations from exixtance. Perhaps Gamespot needs a little more perspective?

Perhaps Gamespot needs a little more attention from the Reapers?

[Tazzmission]

antique_nova wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Dull? While I love Jon Irenicus, the Reapers want to destroy the planet and wipe entire civilizations from exixtance. Perhaps Gamespot needs a little more perspective?

Perhaps Gamespot needs a little more attention from the Reapers?

or harbinger AsSUMING DIRECT CONTROLL OF THERE FORM

[hex23]

Xivai wrote...

That's just it. This whole... unknowable facade is a lie. Their technology is based upon the Mass Relay's we know they have some sort of human desire. If they didn't why get involved with anything even related to us? Their thought patterns are based on their technology, and our thought patterns are based off of theirs. So YES we can know them. There just trying to lie and hide these facts from us so all the stupid humans beleive the end really is here.

Shoot them enough and they seem to die like anything else. There's nothing mysterious about them, but at the same time we didn't get answers where it was needed. Now they come off as lame. Yea were the doom of the universe *cough hack* but at the same time we need you guis srs don't leave us. They just come off as gigantic hypocrites.

Finally I meant villainy in a sense we can identify with it. Oooo mysterious alien race we have no idea what it looked like before they got wiped out and turned into robotic drones. Weeee! I don't really feel bad killing stupid robots. They've done nothing seirous to humans. We got the colonists back and stuff. There's just nothing there on their credentials saying yes were villains from billion of years ago your screwed. More like... B league of villains.

No offense but you aren't making any sense. You're coming off like you either haven't played the first game, or didn't pay attention to either game.

They created the Mass Relays, etc. solely to control the flow of civilization/evolution in the galaxy. It was a means to an end. They don't care about us, or "need" us. They need us on the same level that you need a cow to make a hamburger out of. They ain't trying to get to know us on a personal level.

Saying you can know the Reapers based on Mass Relays is like saying you can know a person based on the fact they made the fork you ate your dinner with. Keep in mind most people still have no idea the Reapers even exist, and the ones that do still can't research the technology because it's so advanced. There is still very little known about Mass Relays and the Citadel and people deal with these on a daily basis.

Lastly why would you be able to identify with them? They are machine gods from millions of years ago. Again, it seems like you haven't played either game. They turned possibly millions of humans into a milkshake to create one new Reaper.

You didn't "get all the human colonists back". If Shepard hadn't stopped them they would've hunted humans to extinction, and they're currently targeting Earth. The latest trailer said "9 million dead in 1 week".

That's not worth opposing them over? What exactly would be enough? They've had a hand in killing more people than the entire Villains list on Gamespot, combined. People don't want to give them credit as formidable villains just based on them not being charasmatic. Not every villain wants to hold your hand and have a heart to heart on why they're evil.

Modifié par hex23, 07 avril 2011 - 10:09 .

[Malanek]

We don't know enough about them to make that claim. The problem is that ME2 didn't really reveal much more information. It's a great game, but the amount of "main plot" in it was pretty small. A story doesn't have to revolve around a villian either, in fact in some ways this is quite cliched and unoriginal.

[TheLostGenius]

Well if you want to be critical...in ME1, the Reapers were scarey, Sovereign was SCAREY. Reapers were not very involved in ME2, and Harbinger was the Collector General...was generic. But overall they are an exciting enemy. Not much different from space invaders IMO.

"ALIENS FROM BEYOND ARE ATTACKING! WE MUST DEFEND EARTH AT ALL COSTS!! PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW!"

[meiwow2]

I stoped caring about what gamespot's opinions a long time ago.

[LyndseyCousland]

I think the Reapers sound hardcore and disturbing enough to send a chill down my spine. Then again, that might be because I was born with an imagination, something which a lot of gamers seem too lazy to have.

It may be just me but it seems like we are getting more and more lackadaisical towards video game stories. Read moar books, lulz.

[cncivanova]

I think the Reapers still have the potential to be great villains. So far, they have definitely been the man (ok, evil life-destroying machines) behind the curtain. ME3 is going to be their spotlight, so I certainly wouldn't count them out yet.

There are some implications of possible motives in the series. Nothing is stated directly, but we know they come back every 50,000 years or so to wipe out intelligent life in the galaxy. But obviously they aren't destroying all life, just intelligent life. So I've got some possible explanations:

1) They are simply destroying the competition before it becomes too dangerous

2) Someone mentioned Predators earlier, it could very well be that they carefully time exterminations to give the prey a chance, albeit a small one, to survive

3) Linked to either of those...perhaps they come back periodically to several different galaxies to do the same thing, and that's the reason they're not always around

4) They're harvesting DNA periodically as a sort of R&D on how to evolve themselves

Just some ideas, what do you think?

[Severyx]

hex23 wrote...

Xivai wrote...
*Uninformed hater snip*

No offense but you aren't making any sense. You're coming off like you either haven't played the first game, or didn't pay attention to either game.

They created the Mass Relays, etc. solely to control the flow of civilization/evolution in the galaxy. It was a means to an end. They don't care about us, or "need" us. They need us on the same level that you need a cow to make a hamburger out of. They ain't trying to get to know us on a personal level.

Saying you can know the Reapers based on Mass Relays is like saying you can know a person based on the fact they made the fork you ate your dinner with. Keep in mind most people still have no idea the Reapers even exist, and the ones that do still can't research the technology because it's so advanced. There is still very little known about Mass Relays and the Citadel and people deal with these on a daily basis.

Lastly why would you be able to identify with them? They are machine gods from millions of years ago. Again, it seems like you haven't played either game. They turned possibly millions of humans into a milkshake to create one new Reaper.

You didn't "get all the human colonists back". If Shepard hadn't stopped them they would've hunted humans to extinction, and they're currently targeting Earth. The latest trailer said "9 million dead in 1 week".

That's not worth opposing them over? What exactly would be enough? They've had a hand in killing more people than the entire Villains list on Gamespot, combined. People don't want to give them credit as formidable villains just based on them not being charasmatic. Not every villain wants to hold your hand and have a heart to heart on why they're evil.

This receives my stamp of approval.

[sympathy4saren]

Wrong as can be. They are the best. Ever.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Dull? While I love Jon Irenicus, the Reapers want to destroy the planet and wipe entire civilizations from exixtance. Perhaps Gamespot needs a little more perspective?

It must've been Harbringer - that guy was such a tool. And a Troll. After a couple ME2 playthroughs, a lot of ppl learned to just laugh and roll our eyes whenever he opened his mouth, mandibles, whatever.

Sovereign was pretty terrifying though.

[antique_nova]

Tazzmission wrote...

antique_nova wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Dull? While I love Jon Irenicus, the Reapers want to destroy the planet and wipe entire civilizations from exixtance. Perhaps Gamespot needs a little more perspective?

Perhaps Gamespot needs a little more attention from the Reapers?

or harbinger AsSUMING DIRECT CONTROLL OF THERE FORM

Na he wouldn't do that, he would however spam Jacob as clones and have them chase down every Gamespot reviwer muttering the words 'Heavy risk of being apprehended, but the prizzzze!'

and what do you know, that would make the Reapers seem so terrfiyingly dull compared to Jacob running around in lustful manner.

Modifié par antique_nova, 07 avril 2011 - 10:52 .

[Inspectre]

leonia42 wrote...

Sometimes the scariest monsters are the ones we can never understand..

All throughout ME1 and 2, they just told us that 'we wouldn't understand anyway'.  Nobody ever tried explaining them, it was just a copout.

[Kane-Corr]

All I know, is that no one on this planet can stand in front of Sovereign's image and have a conversation with "him," without crapping their pants. You can't possibly remain strong-willed with that booming sub-woofer voice proclaiming and stating the demise of all Organic life. Their's just no way.