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[vlyms1]

I admit it, the first time I saw the Arishok I thought omg, he's almost as awsome as Sten from DA:O, and I think he was a great NPC, even if he was portrayed as a main villain, he was the best and most epic boss in the whole game, plus he was one of the truly few with real honor, anyway, it's just my opinion, what do you think of him?

[Forst1999]

Not much. After all, he is just a thug trying to force his ideology on others. Sure, there were lots of provocations, but that doesn't change the fact that his little games (not revealing his reasons for being in Krikwall, the disastrous poison gas theft) and his self-righteousness (self-justice on Petrice, hiding of criminals from a city that harbored his men) were essential to the conflict.

[sereture]

One word: TRAILER
I was completely sold from the moment I saw it. XD

He is amazing in the game.
Voice, demeanour, everything is perfect... And the HORNS!

[UltiPup]

Fooooorce? Did you ignore Act 2?

The Arishok never forced anyone on anything. Anyone who went to them for the Qun did it on their own. The Qunari never did anything wrong. They were persecuted wrongly.

[Forst1999]

UltiPup wrote...

Fooooorce? Did you ignore Act 2?

The Arishok never forced anyone on anything. Anyone who went to them for the Qun did it on their own. The Qunari never did anything wrong. They were persecuted wrongly.

Well until gathering the city's elite and slaugthering everyone who disagreed you mean?

[UltiPup]

Forst1999 wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

Fooooorce? Did you ignore Act 2?

The Arishok never forced anyone on anything. Anyone who went to them for the Qun did it on their own. The Qunari never did anything wrong. They were persecuted wrongly.

Well until gathering the city's elite and slaugthering everyone who disagreed you mean?

You mean at the end of Act II after facing all the injustices on his people for over three years that he finally decides to fight back and thrash the city that has been persecuting his people and the people who cannot control their own?

Oh yeah. That was surely not justified.

[Forst1999]

UltiPup wrote...

Forst1999 wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

Fooooorce? Did you ignore Act 2?

The Arishok never forced anyone on anything. Anyone who went to them for the Qun did it on their own. The Qunari never did anything wrong. They were persecuted wrongly.

Well until gathering the city's elite and slaugthering everyone who disagreed you mean?

You mean at the end of Act II after facing all the injustices on his people for over three years that he finally decides to fight back and thrash the city that has been persecuting his people and the people who cannot control their own?

Oh yeah. That was surely not justified.

Yeah, i mean that, and i don't believe it was justified. The Qunari weren't innocent in the conflict. And the people who had done harm to his own had been dealt with. The city had been cooperative all the time. In the matter the ignited the battle, the elven fugitives, the city was in the right. I feel for them, but if you seek shelter in a foreign country, you have to accept it's laws.

[UltiPup]

The Arishok was still losing men and people were ****ing that people were converting to the Qun. Then you have Petrice making everything worse each damn day. The Qunari are honor bound. If they weren't trying to recover their missing artifact, they would have take over at once. They TRIED to stay out of everyone's way.

The elf situation was handled badly. Aveline shouldn't have been forceful in that tension. The Qunari were already dealing with insults.

[Trophonius]

There are some enlightening things the Arishok says that I agree with. For example, Kirkwall being a city mired in greed and ignorance. Everyone in that dump wanted cold hard cash and fell into corruption because of it. Its people were also self-interested and impassive towards the more important issues occurring around them. All they hear is 'blah blah blah, too long, didn't read'. I don't know how you can remain blissfully ignorant when blood mages turn up at every corner, unscrupulous Chantry officials exploiting the qunari, and templars raping/torturing/maiming/tranquilizing mages for fun. It's annoying how they only start caring when it directly affects them.

[nijnij]

I loved his dialogue, acting, and schizoid behavior going from cordial boredom to homicidal fanatism.

Modifié par nijnij, 07 avril 2011 - 09:55 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

Hated him but he did have good voice acting and dialogue. The arishock however had no honor regardless of what people say. He killed Viscount Dumar who was a good man. Viscount Dumar is not a fighter and he was probably defenseless when the arishock killed him.

This same guy tries to kill you when you enter his place with around 5 people. He doesn't even have the honor to let you prepare and just commands like 40 Qunari to kill you and your gang of 5 guards.

Worthless coward. I've killed him on both playthroughs. Once in a dual and then again along with all the Qunari in the room with him.

[Forst1999]

UltiPup wrote...

The Arishok was still losing men and people were ****ing that people were converting to the Qun. Then you have Petrice making everything worse each damn day.

Well, Petrice had been dealt with. She did great injustice to the qunari, but attacking the city because of her provocations isn't right.

The Qunari are honor bound. If they weren't trying to recover their missing artifact, they would have take over at once. They TRIED to stay out of everyone's way.  

How does that make it better? The Arishok stated his wish that he could take over as early as act I, and eventually he tries to, for reasons completly unrelated to his mission. For a long time, he really holds back, i admit this,but in the end it is just his belief that Kirkwall should be subjected to the Qun that leads to violence. And his trying to stand out of everyone's way wasn't very well done. I still wonder why exactly he allowed the poison gas to be stolen. Wan't exactly a smooth move.

The elf situation was handled badly. Aveline shouldn't have been forceful in that tension. The Qunari were already dealing with insults.

Well, it is her job to enforce the law. And the Qunari should have respected it. But they showed their disregard of their host's laws before, when assassinating Petrice. Don't get me wrong, she deserved it. But they should have let the city handle it.

[Isaidlunch]

I like him as a character. He did catch my Hawke out several times like when he asked what I would do in his position, I actually had to sidestep his questions because I knew he was right. That said, his sense of honor is ridiculous and his obsession with the relic is even more ridiculous. He tries to cowardly kill Hawke with spearthrowers and then asks for a duel when he's forced into a corner. He claims he can't stay blind to what goes in Kirkwall but he abandons that as long as he gets his precious little relic and Isabela. He even acknowledges at one point that some of the things he does isn't the "demand of the qun", he twists it so that he can do whatever the hell he wants.

As much as he'd like to think he is, he's far from honorable.

[Torax]

sereture wrote...

One word: TRAILER
I was completely sold from the moment I saw it. XD

He is amazing in the game.
Voice, demeanour, everything is perfect... And the HORNS!

The same and for those who don't know the trailer he's most likely refering to.

The Link

the same reason I use specific addon ons. An evolving version for champion armor and the Staff of Parthalon and the champion armor for all classes looks like the mage armor. Cause of that trailer. Plus I love the set in it's original look. Even with the brown leather. The trailer had it and so does the ingame one.

[Apathy1989]

Qunari are good for making discussions and provoking thought, thats for sure. There are arguments for both sides, but end of day he is a good enemy. I can understand that submission to a "truth" and order is extremely comforting, and if over a city will offer stability. However you cripple freedom, creativity and slaughter people to impose it.

I only wish his boss fight wasn't so terrible...

OH GOD OH GOD KITE KITE
HES CHARGED INTO A WALL, STAB HIM AND RUN AWAY
OH GOD OH GOD DONT STAB ME
etc x100

Million HP bosses are only bearable when they have the classic "shoot the damage points, dodge the special attacks". Instead it was just a million hp to work through while running away until potion recycled.

[Sundance31us]

UltiPup wrote...
...trying to recover their missing artifact...

They weren't trying very hard; the last known person to have it was standing at the bar in The Hanged Man. <_<

[fluorine7]

Forst1999 wrote...

Not much. After all, he is just a thug trying to force his ideology on others. Sure, there were lots of provocations, but that doesn't change the fact that his little games (not revealing his reasons for being in Krikwall, the disastrous poison gas theft) and his self-righteousness (self-justice on Petrice, hiding of criminals from a city that harbored his men) were essential to the conflict.

Apparently you think Arishok is just a thug. But let's put it this way, imagine if Hawke lost something valuable not only to himself, but also to his people (Forolden or Kirkwall), and he was force to stay in one of the Terventer city for 3 years. Everyday you see horrible practice of slavery, human sacrifising,  blood magic, people get out of their way to incriminating Hawke and his friends for simply being in their city. 

One day 2 slaves comes to Hawke for help, because they killed their Master. Will you reture these two slaves to the Tervinter autority? If you have the chance the rid the city with all the injustice, will you not do it? Don't you feel responsible for save the slaves for their suffering if you have the chance? Would you actually wait for 3 years to make a move against all these evil? 

It's easy to consider Arishok as a thug because we don't always agree with his ideology. But put yourself in his shoes, you'd see he practice great respect to the City of Kirkwall even when he despise the people and its culture. what we considered free well is disgusting to him just like slavery and human sacrifice is disgusting to us.

If Arishok is self-rightous, aren't we all? 

[edit for typo]

Modifié par fluorine7, 07 avril 2011 - 11:44 .

[KJandrew]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Hated him but he did have good voice acting and dialogue. The arishock however had no honor regardless of what people say. He killed Viscount Dumar who was a good man. Viscount Dumar is not a fighter and he was probably defenseless when the arishock killed him.

This same guy tries to kill you when you enter his place with around 5 people. He doesn't even have the honor to let you prepare and just commands like 40 Qunari to kill you and your gang of 5 guards.

Worthless coward. I've killed him on both playthroughs. Once in a dual and then again along with all the Qunari in the room with him.

In the Arishok's eyes Dumar was a weak leader. His people ran around breaking his laws, killing each other and Killing Qunari. I'd assume that in Qunari cultre the leader is responsible for his men.
Also when you get into hightown in the showdown in act 2 the Sten there tells you how the Arishok was trying to capture Hawke not kill him.
And how is he a coward? He fights against his enemies, he protects his people and if you want to keep isabella he challanges you to a duel 

[Beerfish]

KJandrew wrote...

In the Arishok's eyes Dumar was a weak leader. His people ran around breaking his laws, killing each other and Killing Qunari. I'd assume that in Qunari cultre the leader is responsible for his men.
Also when you get into hightown in the showdown in act 2 the Sten there tells you how the Arishok was trying to capture Hawke not kill him.
And how is he a coward? He fights against his enemies, he protects his people and if you want to keep isabella he challanges you to a duel 

Unlike himself who had the talvasoth who...uhh...ran round breaking laws and killing other quanari and others.  The Arishok was an incredibly incompetant leader who should have done himself in if he valued 'strong' leaders.  He was a step behind through the whole story.

[UltiPup]

Forst1999 wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

The Arishok was still losing men and people were ****ing that people were converting to the Qun. Then you have Petrice making everything worse each damn day.

Well, Petrice had been dealt with. She did great injustice to the qunari, but attacking the city because of her provocations isn't right.

The Qunari are honor bound. If they weren't trying to recover their missing artifact, they would have take over at once. They TRIED to stay out of everyone's way.  

How does that make it better? The Arishok stated his wish that he could take over as early as act I, and eventually he tries to, for reasons completly unrelated to his mission. For a long time, he really holds back, i admit this,but in the end it is just his belief that Kirkwall should be subjected to the Qun that leads to violence. And his trying to stand out of everyone's way wasn't very well done. I still wonder why exactly he allowed the poison gas to be stolen. Wan't exactly a smooth move.

The elf situation was handled badly. Aveline shouldn't have been forceful in that tension. The Qunari were already dealing with insults.

Well, it is her job to enforce the law. And the Qunari should have respected it. But they showed their disregard of their host's laws before, when assassinating Petrice. Don't get me wrong, she deserved it. But they should have let the city handle it.

Petrice was only one person in particular that was causing this. Sure, she helped further it but the people of Kirkwall decided on their own to **** around with the Qunari. I didn't expect the Qunari to stop acting like Qunari. They follow a strict honor system. They were surrounded by ideals and things they found disgusting. Hatred for Kirkwall rose each day.

Considering no one at all took a mark against the Qunari for killing Petrice ( even the Grand Cleric lol ), I don't really see that as an issue. I also don't think the elf thing is easily black and white. The Qunari accepted the elves into their society. They became apart of the Qun. By that, they were responsible for them. But by their beliefs, the elves do no wrong. I guess its like finding sanctum. Can't really say about the laws since we don't know exactly the laws of Kirkwall.

Yeah the Qunari were in the wrong but I can at least see why they did this.

[Shacary]

I found the Arishok one of the most compelling characters in DA2. I mean it could be argued they plan on attacking [ mappign coast for possible landings etc] but they never came across as dishonorable. Out of the insanity of the city and its inhabitants I found them to be the most honest of all the denizens.
While I never like anyone preaching their religious beliefs etc to me, I didnt see them doing that at all. It was more the Chantry [ Petrice, OOOO i wanted to kill her first meeting slime wad!]
I think the fact that peeps converted to the Qun way of life provoked the fanatics, but that in itself was not the Arisok's fault. Idk I liked them and would luv to play a Qunari in an expac! altho im gonna agree with fenris with the belief that some of the Qun is great, but i do not want to live by it either. [ Im paraphrasing but u know how it is lol] Great Character!!!!!

[arcsquad12]

I agreed with the Arishok on Kirkwall being a cesspit. Thats why I was so happy Sebastian brought his army to burn the place down after I let Anders go. Bloody place shouldn't exist. Built buy slaves, dangerous for mages, drug trafficking, a big ****hole.

Its like Ankh-Morpork minus the charm and up the corruption.

[TripLight]

arcsquad12 wrote...

I agreed with the Arishok on Kirkwall being a cesspit. Thats why I was so happy Sebastian brought his army to burn the place down after I let Anders go. Bloody place shouldn't exist. Built buy slaves, dangerous for mages, drug trafficking, a big ****hole.

Its like Ankh-Morpork minus the charm and up the corruption.

Please, NO ONE can attain the Glory that is Ankh-Morpork, especially since there is no Ankh river to walk upon.

[arcsquad12]

TripLight wrote...

arcsquad12 wrote...

I agreed with the Arishok on Kirkwall being a cesspit. Thats why I was so happy Sebastian brought his army to burn the place down after I let Anders go. Bloody place shouldn't exist. Built buy slaves, dangerous for mages, drug trafficking, a big ****hole.

Its like Ankh-Morpork minus the charm and up the corruption.

Please, NO ONE can attain the Glory that is Ankh-Morpork, especially since there is no Ankh river to walk upon.

They say the sewage was so thick even the agnostiv vould walk on water. I wonder how the Chantry would feel about that.

[Sinophile]

I didn't like the horns on the Qunari, I liked Sten better. To me, the Qunari were basically Confusianists[sic] in a fantasy setting, whereas the chantry is the Catholic church. The Arishok, like the rest of the Qunari, were little more than disposable villains. All in all, Sten was much more provocative than the arishok or any of the Qunari in DA2. Sten was pragmatic to a fault, but eventually softened up at the story progressed.