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[theauthority]

My perception of the Arishok is that he's as self-righteous as any other Chantry man or woman.
In the end, he forces himself on Kirkwall on the basis that... the Qun's better than this? All he did was to corroborate Petrice's fanatical worries. While he might be acting true to the Qun's demands, I see him no different from a tyrant. Let's not forget that usually Qunari are "submit or die" anywhere else on Thedas, which showed when they lay siege on Kirkwall. You're no better than the Chantry (which, at least, tries to keep a resemblance of order, as borked as it is).

The relic was an excuse, I mean, it's beyond suspension-of-disbelief to think they couldn't track it down in three or more years (and deal with Isabela as well). Funny how you can follow your religion/phylosophy and sabotage a city from within. Clever, very clever. I sided with Varnell/Petrice on my last playthrough and never looked back.
Also, what really bugs me is the Arishok attacking the Keep: did he really think he could take on templars, guards and mages without an invading force? Strategically, he is daft. Proving his point? Perhaps but you still eat dirt in the end and showed the Qun can be defied (even more so after deeming my scheming Hawke unworthy because of her slyness). 

Modifié par theauthority, 08 avril 2011 - 06:53 .

[UltiPup]

Isabela, the Tevinter magisters, and the Qunari had no idea where the relic was. The fault is not with the Qunari here. It just turns out it was really well hidden.

[Forst1999]

fluorine7 wrote...

Forst1999 wrote...

Not much. After all, he is just a thug trying to force his ideology on others. Sure, there were lots of provocations, but that doesn't change the fact that his little games (not revealing his reasons for being in Krikwall, the disastrous poison gas theft) and his self-righteousness (self-justice on Petrice, hiding of criminals from a city that harbored his men) were essential to the conflict.

Apparently you think Arishok is just a thug. But let's put it this way, imagine if Hawke lost something valuable not only to himself, but also to his people (Forolden or Kirkwall), and he was force to stay in one of the Terventer city for 3 years. Everyday you see horrible practice of slavery, human sacrifising,  blood magic, people get out of their way to incriminating Hawke and his friends for simply being in their city. 

One day 2 slaves comes to Hawke for help, because they killed their Master. Will you reture these two slaves to the Tervinter autority? If you have the chance the rid the city with all the injustice, will you not do it? Don't you feel responsible for save the slaves for their suffering if you have the chance? Would you actually wait for 3 years to make a move against all these evil? 

It's easy to consider Arishok as a thug because we don't always agree with his ideology. But put yourself in his shoes, you'd see he practice great respect to the City of Kirkwall even when he despise the people and its culture. what we considered free well is disgusting to him just like slavery and human sacrifice is disgusting to us.

If Arishok is self-rightous, aren't we all? 

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 You actually make a good point., maybe i bring a little much ideology into this, and my distain for the qun is a little to strong. But there are a few important differences between your example and the Arishok's situation:
- Hawke is just a single man, not an army. He wouldn't be that much a threath, wouldn't cause that friction. He wouldn't have that much of a diplomatic responsibility.
- Slavery and human sacrifices are not tolerable (especially the latter). It might seem like the same sort of culture clash the Arishok has with Kirkwall, and maybe i am just a hypocrite for ignoring this. But i think that there are things that are not a question of culture, but matter universaly.
- The elves in your example would have no hope of justice. The elves that were hid by the Arishok did. Tevinter is a realm were the law doesn't matter if you cross a magister, Kirkwall has a rule of law (well, at least as much as you can expect from a medieval country)

[Cutlasskiwi]

He was a great character and one of my favorite NPC's from all Dragon Age titles.

With Sten we got a glimpse into how the qun works and, at least for me, it was really interesting to see since it was so alien and new in a character to act and think like this. With the Arishok we got a even deeper glimpse into the qun and the Qunari. I even found myself agreeing with some of the things he said. Especially about Kirkwall and it being a city filled with ignorance and greed. I really hope we get to see and interact with more Qunari in future releases because they are my favorites right now.

[G00N3R7883]

I thought the Arishok was one of the worst "boss" characters ever. He really didn't do much. He sat around in the Qunari compound for what, three years or so? And then he started one fight and got defeated pretty much straight away.

Then again, considering how Sten gave me one word answers to every question in Origins, I guess the Arishok was true to the Qunari in general ... boring.

/flameshield on