LobselVith8 wrote...
barryl89 wrote...
Once Orsino turned, the Rite should have been enacted despite Meridith.
One man shouldn't condemn an entire Circle to execution.
The fact that an abomination might only take form later in life, is the reason they kill all mages during an annulment. If they took form immediately and if Blood Magic were detectable, they would just kill the Blood Mages and Abominations.1Nosphorus1 wrote...
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
When the apprentice wakes up and starts killing people, is a good indicator. Otherwise it is when the mage is taking too long.
But those are the exact points a Knight-Commander looks for, amongst others. They don't just wake up one morning and say, "oh man, this day already sucks, I'm gonna call for an annulment!"
An abomination need not take form instantly, it can wait and bloom later on in their life at any point depending on the bargain made.
And that's pretty much what Meredith did...
"Hey that Apostate just blew up a church and surrendered, I'm gonna go storm the mage tower instead and murder children because the people WILL WANT BLOOOOD, HOT JUICY BOILING MAGE BLOOD TO FILL THEIR BLOOD GOBLETS!"
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
And Meredith wanted the Circle annulled long before Anders blew up the Chantry. That he did, just gave her right to do so.
Bearbeitet von KnightofPhoenix, 11 April 2011 - 12:11 .
Well, there is also the fact that elements within the Circle is planning to overthrow her, and that the First Enchanter is refusing to let her Templars investigate the Gallows for Blood Magic.KnightofPhoenix wrote...
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
And Meredith wanted the Circle annulled long before Anders blew up the Chantry. That he did, just gave her right to do so.
I wish they would have shown us why better. Her quest involved apostates who ran from the Circle (because she is doing a bad job). But her failure to do her job properly is not that pertinente of a reason to want to wipe the Circle out.
I feel that Meredith would have been a more sensible character, if her sidequests show us conspirators from within the Circle (and rmeoved the idol completely would be even better). Would have been a good opportunity to follow up some leads vis a vis Quentin's research note.
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Well, there is also the fact that elements within the Circle is planning to overthrow her, and that the First Enchanter is refusing to let her Templars investigate the Gallows for Blood Magic.
Bearbeitet von KnightofPhoenix, 11 April 2011 - 12:26 .
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
You get the same quest about them if you side with Meredith. She knew about them, but she thought that the First Enchanter was involved, and didn't want to move against them, untill she could get proof that he was involved.
klarabella wrote...
Imagine Irving had turned into a Harvester, Gregoir would have been delighted. I can see him throwing a party.
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
And Meredith wanted the Circle annulled long before Anders blew up the Chantry. That he did, just gave her right to do so.
I wish they would have shown us why better. Her quest involved apostates who ran from the Circle (because she is doing a bad job). But her failure to do her job properly is not that pertinente of a reason to want to wipe the Circle out.
I feel that Meredith would have been a more sensible character, if her sidequests show us conspirators from within the Circle (and rmeoved the idol completely would be even better). Would have been a good opportunity to follow up some leads vis a vis Quentin's research note.
Orsino doesn't know that she knows. Orsino just knows that if Meredith gets wind of the plan, she will immediately think Orsino is the mastermind behind, which is also why he himself can't go investigate (at least that is what he claims), he knows that if the Templars were to show up while he was investigating she would call for an annulment right then and there.KnightofPhoenix wrote...
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
You get the same quest about them if you side with Meredith. She knew about them, but she thought that the First Enchanter was involved, and didn't want to move against them, untill she could get proof that he was involved.
Hmm I guess it was because I sided with neither, I did quests for both.
In my case, still doesn't make that much sense though. IIRC it was mentionned that she didn't know.
TJPags wrote...
Don't you think the game did give us a good idea why she wanted the Circle annulled? I mean, she could not possibly have been ignorant of the number of blood mages roaming the streets of Kirkwall, could she?
Bearbeitet von KnightofPhoenix, 11 April 2011 - 12:35 .
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Orsino doesn't know that she knows. Orsino just knows that if Meredith gets wind of the plan, she will immediately think Orsino is the mastermind behind, which is also why he himself can't go investigate (at least that is what he claims), he knows that if the Templars were to show up while he was investigating she would call for an annulment right then and there.
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
TJPags wrote...
Don't you think the game did give us a good idea why she wanted the Circle annulled? I mean, she could not possibly have been ignorant of the number of blood mages roaming the streets of Kirkwall, could she?
Because she was doing a bad job yes. But they are outside the Circle.
As it stands, she wants to purge the Circle because she doesn't know how to control it, because she happens to be an incompetent KC.
I think it is more because the First Enchanter himself was being cross with her, undermining her decissions, and basically not working with her, like he is supposed to.KnightofPhoenix wrote...
TJPags wrote...
Don't you think the game did give us a good idea why she wanted the Circle annulled? I mean, she could not possibly have been ignorant of the number of blood mages roaming the streets of Kirkwall, could she?
Because she was doing a bad job yes. But they are outside the Circle.
As it stands, she wants to purge the Circle because she doesn't know how to control it, because she happens to be an incompetent KC.
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
I think it is more because the First Enchanter himself was being cross with her, undermining her decissions, and basically not working with her, like he is supposed to.
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
I think it is more because the First Enchanter himself was being cross with her, undermining her decissions, and basically not working with her, like he is supposed to.
Or maybe she is not bothering to try to work with him in the first place. She evidently didn't seem to respect him or listen to him. Both are incompetent.
And the Chantry is incompetent for allowing a KC to play at politics.
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Kirkwall! When you want to be an incompetent ass, go to Kirkwall!
Bearbeitet von KnightofPhoenix, 11 April 2011 - 12:49 .
Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
klarabella wrote...
Imagine Irving had turned into a Harvester, Gregoir would have been delighted. I can see him throwing a party.
A party, eh? *rubs chin* Before or after it turned out Greagoir's sword was infused with corrupted lyrium and he tried to kill you?
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Kirkwall! When you want to be an incompetent ass, go to Kirkwall!
I always thought Ferelden was the land of idiots, but I'm moderating my view of it after I played DA2.
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I feel that Meredith would have been a more sensible character, if her sidequests show us conspirators from within the Circle (and rmeoved the idol completely would be even better). Would have been a good opportunity to follow up some leads vis a vis Quentin's research note.
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Orsino doesn't know that she knows. Orsino just knows that if Meredith gets wind of the plan, she will immediately think Orsino is the mastermind behind, which is also why he himself can't go investigate (at least that is what he claims), he knows that if the Templars were to show up while he was investigating she would call for an annulment right then and there.
1Nosphorus1 wrote...
Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
klarabella wrote...
Imagine Irving had turned into a Harvester, Gregoir would have been delighted. I can see him throwing a party.
A party, eh? *rubs chin* Before or after it turned out Greagoir's sword was infused with corrupted lyrium and he tried to kill you?
Oh no, big templar man! What are you going to do with that sw-ord
Ah Oghren does make me chuckle.
Bearbeitet von Shadow of Light Dragon, 11 April 2011 - 03:40 .
Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
1Nosphorus1 wrote...
Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
klarabella wrote...
Imagine Irving had turned into a Harvester, Gregoir would have been delighted. I can see him throwing a party.
A party, eh? *rubs chin* Before or after it turned out Greagoir's sword was infused with corrupted lyrium and he tried to kill you?
Oh no, big templar man! What are you going to do with that sw-ord
Ah Oghren does make me chuckle.
Too bad Anders didn't have his sense of humour in DA2. I could have seen him and Fenris ribbing each other...
- Anders: You don't actually think your brooding is sexy, do you?
- Fenris: Could have sworn that mage was whining again.
- Anders: "GRR! Let me tell you about my life in one word: 'SLAVERY!"
- Fenris: "Oh no! Don't send mages to the tower! We're never, ever evil abominations!"
- Anders: "I'm not only an elf, I'm also an angry emo! Listen to me b!tch!"
- Fenris: "Oh no, big templar man! What are you going to do with that sword?"
- Anders: Eww. Why does everyone always use that one?
- Fenris: Don't play with lyrium unless you want your heart ripped out, mage.
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