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Where is the Black City?


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The Angry One

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Johnny20 wrote...

I'd just like to say, I didn't moan or cry about it no being there, I simply asked because I was interested. Was it intentional? I didn't know, I didn't know why it wasn't there and asked politely. There is no need to portray the question as if asked by a whining child on the internet.


I wasn't necesarilly talking about you. Some people have gotten it into their heads that the entry in the codex somehow means the Black City should be visible through walls even though this was never the case.

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David Gaider wrote...

Satyricon331 wrote...
The Codex entry was by Enchanter Mirdromel, so apparently he's just not speaking carefully/literally.  Or perhaps he's never been in an inside area in the Fade.


I think you're trying to read something into it that isn't there.

If someone was writing about our world to someone who had never been there, could you not describe this amazing yellow orb in the sky? Visible and stationary no matter where you traveled? Yes, you could specify that if you were inside a building or if anything else blocked your view of the sky then that yellow orb would in fact not be visible... but just what kind of pedantic audience would you be writing for, exactly? If you could, in fact, see the Black City through walls and fog and even when you closed your eyes, that would probably be worthy of specific note... not the opposite.


I was thinking something similar.  How would you tell somebody who literally lived under a rock (cue images of that Geico ad) what life above-ground was like without mentioning the sun and moon in the sky.  Further, how else are you going to describe those things other than something along the lines of, "orbs high in the sky you can see from wherever you are during the day/night."  Maybe you would think to add something about "on a clear day," but generally, I think it would be assumed by all involved in the conversation that you were not talking about instances where you were, say, shut up inside a refrigerator box.

It does have me thinking something else though... Are we really sure the Black City is a city at all?   It is described in much the same way the sun, moon, or some other celestial body would be, andthe depictions we have of it are generally of something that looks somewhat like a tower or castle inside a dark sphere.

What if the city isn't a city, but some kind of moon-like object within the fade with surface features that resemble buildings?  Ancient cultures looked at the Earth's mon and saw human and animal faces reflected in its craters, maybe the same is true for the Black City?

Fade creatures are only suppoed to be abel to mimic things from the physical world, and the more powerful the creature, the larger space they can control and bend to their will.  Maybe a particularly powerful spirit took a look at Thedas itself or it's moon, and created a nice big piece of real estate.  And if that was, sasy, a spirit of lonelyness/reclusiveness or something, why not slap this moon-thing down someplace far away from everyone?  Then some mage wandering around the fade takes note of this body in the 'sky', starts imagining patterns in its random surfaces, and the next thing you know, there's the Black City.

Just wild speculation here.

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i found it a shame that the fade sky was switched out with a starry roof, maybe its night time there.
   i was dissappointed at the fade locale in da2 though, considering where you go in awakening and how close you are to the black city. i though, when i heard that feynriel was a dreamer capable of manipulated the fade and changing it to his will, that we'd see another close up or something along those lines, but alas there was only black.
   who knows maybe the writers will manipulate this error, or maybe it was intended all along, and have it tie in with sandal's prophecy or something

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At the start of the Mage origin story we were outside in the fade, weren't we? Not in a building?

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jaybee93 wrote...

At the start of the Mage origin story we were outside in the fade, weren't we? Not in a building?

Correct.

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yeah, and throughout most of the mage circle quest if you looked up you would see the black city. i think the crypt in awakenings was the only time you didnt see the city while you were in the fade

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Personally, I would assume that the Black City being visible from any point in the Fade generally wouldn't include when standing in a building in the Fade. I don't recall seeing anything in the sky in Origins when we were inside of the the tower in the Fade portion there either.

Modifié par HallowedWarden, 08 avril 2011 - 08:38 .