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[Dominator24]

San Diego Thief wrote...

I think sales figures are almost useless in comparison since so many people (like myself) pre-ordered this game expecting it to be like the original

I think Dragon Age 3 preorders and sales will be the telling truth for whether or not this experiment worked as people will be more cautious now and wait for user reviews before making that purchase decision

true that.

[Dark83]

blueruin wrote...

Buy your games from Amazon.com from now on.  I got a full refund for my copy of DA2 with no trouble, 20 days after I received it in the mail.  It was the first time I ever returned anything to Amazon, and you're only supposed to return games still in the plastic wrap... but I think a lot of people had asked for refunds on this one, and they knew it was rubbish. 

I wonder how reselling it works. Your key is certainly already used in the forums, and EA wouldn't ship new keys for free... do they not matter for actual installation/activation?

[AkiKishi]

Dark83 wrote...

blueruin wrote...

Buy your games from Amazon.com from now on.  I got a full refund for my copy of DA2 with no trouble, 20 days after I received it in the mail.  It was the first time I ever returned anything to Amazon, and you're only supposed to return games still in the plastic wrap... but I think a lot of people had asked for refunds on this one, and they knew it was rubbish. 

I wonder how reselling it works. Your key is certainly already used in the forums, and EA wouldn't ship new keys for free... do they not matter for actual installation/activation?

They probably send them back as faulty.

On consoles they don't. But the DCL content key has probably been used.

[Zeevico]

Something tells me Bioware's sales department won't be relying on this thread for their profit figures.

[Everwarden]

Zeevico wrote...

Something tells me Bioware's sales department won't be relying on this thread for their profit figures.

These threads aren't here to tell Bioware that they aren't making money, they're here to drive home the fact that they have fallen well short of a stated goal, entirely due to the poorly envisioned game they released. 

Though no one even suggested that Bioware looked to the forums for profit figures, so your argument is a straw man in the first place. 

[PaulSX]

so I guess their SE marketing strategy actually worked~~since this game can nowhere be comparable to Origins. And I think OP should consider the holiday effects of the DAO's sales

[Temaperacl]

Melca36 wrote...
I will never get people's paranoid delusions about Steam.  

I've NEVER had a problem with Steam. I can play mods and I can **OFFLINE** when my internet is out.

I can go offline, but if memory serves it has always required me to be online when I make the shift to go offline, though, which doesn't do much good for unexpected outages (And I believe you have to go online for patches).

The main reason I avoid games that use the Steam DRM? Because I have had problems with it - brief periods where a game is inaccessible to me due to a glitch. The glitches have gotten cleared up without my intervention and yes, this sort of thing is expected with software. Expected, but not acceptable (as far as I am concerned).  Therefore, I do not buy anything through steam and I avoid anything that "requires steam".  And yes,  there have been games that I have wanted to (and still want to) try that I have avoided simply because they use Steam DRM.

astrallite wrote...
Everything has it's pros and cons. The cons of steam you have listed. But you are missing the fact that you can redownload the game at any time. This is quite useful as I have quite a large steam collection and not a whole lot of HD space, plus I reformat occasionally for performance.

The same pro applies to the the other services that were listed though.

The other distributors do not allow you to download the game beyond the first year, which means it's a digital rental unless you make your own physical backups.

I can't speak for D2D, but this is not a limit that exists on Impulse and EA has stated that this limit no longer applies for the EA Downloader.

Modifié par Temaperacl, 14 avril 2011 - 08:54 .

[cljqnsnyc]

suntzuxi wrote...

so I guess their SE marketing strategy actually worked~~since this game can nowhere be comparable to Origins. And I think OP should consider the holiday effects of the DAO's sales

This has actually been addressed by many other posts in this forum. DAO continued to sell well long after the holidays based on something far more potent than corporate advertising...word of mouth. Also, unlike DA2, DAO wasn't a sequel and didn't have a strong lead in so to speak. It had to rise or fall completely on it's own merits. As of now, it appears word of mouth is what's hurting DA2 sales the most.

Side note 

ME2 sold extremely well. It was released AFTER the holidays.

Modifié par cljqnsnyc, 14 avril 2011 - 10:34 .

[PaulSX]

cljqnsnyc wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...

so I guess their SE marketing strategy actually worked~~since this game can nowhere be comparable to Origins. And I think OP should consider the holiday effects of the DAO's sales

This has actually been addressed by many other posts in this forum. DAO continued to sell well long after the holidays based on something far more potent than corporate advertising...word of mouth. Also, unlike DA2, DAO wasn't a sequel and didn't have a strong lead in so to speak. It had to rise or fall completely on it's own merits. As of now, it appears word of mouth is what's hurting DA2 sales the most.

Side note 

ME2 sold extremely well. It was released AFTER the holidays.

I heard ME2 sold very well on the release but also dropped quickly. I mean it starts at a very high point but the dropping rate is actually similar to DAII.

[cljqnsnyc]

suntzuxi wrote...

cljqnsnyc wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...

so I guess their SE marketing strategy actually worked~~since this game can nowhere be comparable to Origins. And I think OP should consider the holiday effects of the DAO's sales

This has actually been addressed by many other posts in this forum. DAO continued to sell well long after the holidays based on something far more potent than corporate advertising...word of mouth. Also, unlike DA2, DAO wasn't a sequel and didn't have a strong lead in so to speak. It had to rise or fall completely on it's own merits. As of now, it appears word of mouth is what's hurting DA2 sales the most.

Side note 

ME2 sold extremely well. It was released AFTER the holidays.

I heard ME2 sold very well on the release but also dropped quickly. I mean it starts at a very high point but the dropping rate is actually similar to DAII.

Similar to DA2? No, not at all.

ME2 actually sold very well past it's second week. It wasn't out of Amazon's Top 100 after just 4 weeks of release. It didn't need to be bundled with another completely separate title to boost it's profile....again just 4 weeks after it's release.  A YEAR after ME2 was released, it was a hit again on a completely different platform. This even though they couldn't play ME1 and must have known all about the games' plot and details from people who had already played it.

DA2 ONLY sold well initially for 2 reasons.  It followed DAO, and had a large number of preorders. Neither fact can be attributed to it's own merits as a game. The game was supposed to be MORE accessible than DAO, yet it can't even hold half it's originals' audience. 

Why oh why must so many people make excuse after excuse for DA2? Face it, the game's performance  speaks for itself. People can theorize however they wish. If the game were a high quality title, all of THIS simply wouldn't be happening. There's just no way to get around that.

Modifié par cljqnsnyc, 15 avril 2011 - 04:18 .

[tiernanlshaw]

dear lord people. whats so hard about simply putting down the controller if you dont like a game. i will never understand the idea that negative press will give you a game you like more in the future. if there is another sequel it will be because of the success of the title not your incesent hurt feelings. still at the end of the day i think there are at LEAST as many people that liked it as hated it if not more. so im sure there will be a sequel. but "haha look at your sales ea... told you so" isnt going to get you anywhere with anything. just ask madden players.

but really. if you hate it that much, simply stop playing it and leave it at that. i remember buying an rpg i was excited about called two worlds that i literally only played for 15 mins it was that awful. the only person i felt a need to express this to was the gamestop employee who was kind enough to give me a full refund. you couldnt talk me into to playing the sequel if you offered me an hourly rate to do so. i dont care how improved it is. that anyone would actually take the time to research sales numbers and argue about them on an online forum is a pretty clear sign that that particular individual has entirely too much time on his/her hands. but thats just my opinion. dont let me stop you from your appointed rounds of ****ing and moaning all while working on your third run-through of this apparently awful game im sure. lol.

[Ieolus]

cljqnsnyc wrote...

Also, unlike DA2, DAO wasn't a sequel and didn't have a strong lead in so to speak. It had to rise or fall completely on it's own merits. As of now, it appears word of mouth is what's hurting DA2 sales the most.

Origins had the ultimate lead-in for sales... BG2.  Sadly DA2 threw that legacy away.

[Kimberly Shaw]

I read where week 5 sales have been posted and are way way way down. Where's the update? I'm an accountant so I like to know these things. Also, tiernalshaw, since you're such an apologist, we post here because we do understand that voicing our criticsms may lead to the things we dislike being improved for the sequel.

[Rockpopple]

I'm sorry, where did tiernalshaw give any indication that he was an apologist? By saying that if you don't like a game, don't play it? Give it back for a refund? That's being an apologist?

Oh no, no that won't stand! A true gamer, a non-Biodrone won't just stop playing a game he doesn't like. He won't give it back. A true gamer goes on forums and gets all verklempt  about the game non-stop for weeks on end, talking about how he wants it to fail and fail hard.

I guess you can call that being a non-apologist. Others have a more accurate word for it. It goes well with cheese.

Modifié par Rockpopple, 15 avril 2011 - 03:29 .

[Kimberly Shaw]

I've read Tiernan's posts several times and have decided he is an apologist. He's against people coming here and voicing concern with a game and doesn't think that doing so will result in DA3 being a better game:

i will never understand the idea that negative press will give you a game you like more in the future

I have stopped playing and enjoy voicing my opinion here on certain topics. I will eventually stop until DLC or an expansion is released. If that makes me a whiner, then I am definitely so.

[Rockpopple]

Well admitting it is an important first step.

[Ieolus]

Huh? How does voicing your displeasure at the direction Dragon Age seems to be going turn into being a whiner? It is EXACTLY what Bioware is trying to accomplish with these forums... a place where its fans can go to give feedback.

[cljqnsnyc]

Ieolus wrote...

Huh? How does voicing your displeasure at the direction Dragon Age seems to be going turn into being a whiner? It is EXACTLY what Bioware is trying to accomplish with these forums... a place where its fans can go to give feedback.

The problem seems to be that people who love DA2 can't stand to see people criticize the game. If I want to state my opinion about a game I like or dislike, it's my right, like anyone else...PERIOD!!!!! 



...and I don't care one bit about the opinion that I shouldn't for whatever reason!
 

I have no problem with people enjoying or loving DA2. Why should I? It has nothing to do with me.  The circumstances surrounding DA2 however, are very interesting to debate. So, people voice their opinions.  How hard is that to understand?

Modifié par cljqnsnyc, 15 avril 2011 - 05:54 .

[Grissium]

God I hate this thread.
A) You don't have digital numbers, so there could be many more units sold. Basing anything on incomplete information is really stupid. I'm almost positive the numbers aren't as good as they would like, but the rise of Steam in the last two years is quickly making sales numbers of physical copies a really stupid thing to gauge sales by.
ME2 has nothing to do with DA2 quality. It has everything to do with wanting to sell more copies of ME3. Guess what it worked, I bought the first Mass Effect, just so I can play my "free" copy of the second, and I'm probably going to play the 3rd.
C) All this speculation is useless anyway, what are you proving? I really don't get it. There either will be a DA3 or there wont, it's based on sales and it's based on sales numbers that are not public. So what is reporting this doing? Is it proving DA2 isn't as good as DA1... bravo tell us something we don't know.

Now if you want to use the forums as a platform for what you hope you wont see in DA3 there are probably better ways of doing that.

[cljqnsnyc]

Grissium wrote...

God I hate this thread.
A) You don't have digital numbers, so there could be many more units sold. Basing anything on incomplete information is really stupid. I'm almost positive the numbers aren't as good as they would like, but the rise of Steam in the last two years is quickly making sales numbers of physical copies a really stupid thing to gauge sales by.
ME2 has nothing to do with DA2 quality. It has everything to do with wanting to sell more copies of ME3. Guess what it worked, I bought the first Mass Effect, just so I can play my "free" copy of the second, and I'm probably going to play the 3rd.
C) All this speculation is useless anyway, what are you proving? I really don't get it. There either will be a DA3 or there wont, it's based on sales and it's based on sales numbers that are not public. So what is reporting this doing? Is it proving DA2 isn't as good as DA1... bravo tell us something we don't know.

Now if you want to use the forums as a platform for what you hope you wont see in DA3 there are probably better ways of doing that.

You are going to LOVE the ME series!!! Enjoy!

[Mooh Bear]

Grissium wrote...

God I hate this thread.
A) You don't have digital numbers, so there could be many more units sold. Basing anything on incomplete information is really stupid. I'm almost positive the numbers aren't as good as they would like, but the rise of Steam in the last two years is quickly making sales numbers of physical copies a really stupid thing to gauge sales by.
ME2 has nothing to do with DA2 quality. It has everything to do with wanting to sell more copies of ME3. Guess what it worked, I bought the first Mass Effect, just so I can play my "free" copy of the second, and I'm probably going to play the 3rd.
C) All this speculation is useless anyway, what are you proving? I really don't get it. There either will be a DA3 or there wont, it's based on sales and it's based on sales numbers that are not public. So what is reporting this doing? Is it proving DA2 isn't as good as DA1... bravo tell us something we don't know.

Now if you want to use the forums as a platform for what you hope you wont see in DA3 there are probably better ways of doing that.

The point of this thread is to debunk BW claims. DA2 was "streamlined" to "expand the audience", to sell more copies than DA: O, to go beyond the core RPG players. Well, DA2 is not doing better than DA: O. DA2 did not "expand the audience". DA2 is bombing. A lot of cores are pissed and the "new" players are nowhere to be found. Good job BW...

Look, they hoped for over 4 millions sales, the numbers Fallout3/Oblivion get, they'll be lucky to reach 2 millions. It's basically a tale of greed ruining a product. Everybody loses: gamers, BW, EA... 

Modifié par Mooh Bear, 15 avril 2011 - 08:47 .

[Dave of Canada]

macrocarl wrote...

I think DA2 is awesome. I hope they end up doing well.

[Vicious]

Yeah, this thread was created for one reason. You and others don't like DA2's changes from DA:O, and are seeking every single way to discredit the game, in an effort to say 'look here, you didn't make xxx money by doing what *I* wanted, maybe you will do what I want next time.'

Yech, no wonder they don't want to cater to you guys. Your approval vanishes overnight. The CoD crowd will buy every CoD game, good or not.

[DariusKalera]

Vicious wrote...

Yech, no wonder they don't want to cater to you guys. Your approval vanishes overnight. The CoD crowd will buy every CoD game, good or not.

That probably isn't a good thing.

[88mphSlayer]

i enjoyed DA2 but it was always obvious to me after it came out that long-term sales were going to bomb until the game gets really discounted

and who cares really, i've seen so many good games get crazy bad sales compared to DA2... there will be a DA3 at this point, all this concern over Bioware is depressing in a way given the state of the industry

Modifié par 88mphSlayer, 15 avril 2011 - 09:06 .