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[The Angry One]

ejoslin wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

The sad thing is you know people like Laidlaw are looking at the lower sales figures and going
"Hmmm... needs to be more like CoD."

That is my fear as well.  They really do seem to dislike DAO so much that they'd rather move away from it, despite how successful it was.  I'm not sure why DAO's success is not taken into account.  Instead they seem to stick to the party line, for some weird reason, that DAO was bad.  But DAO is STILL selling well.  So maybe someone with a little less ego involved in this will prevail.  Afterall, what EA wants is to make money.  And if a indepth RPG makes them money, they'll want it made.

They have so much less competition in the RPG market.  If they don't take advantage of it, someone else will, but I will miss the amazing stories.

I think their line of reasoning is "People liked DA:O. The people who liked DA:O will buy DA2 no matter what. Now, if we can make DA2 appeal to the CoD crowd we'll have twice the amount of money!"
This reasoning of course ignores that if you start dropping the things that made DA:O what it is, then fans will get upset and leave.

[Shatterkiss]

Dragon Age 2 has fallen to #60 on Steam's bestseller list. The strategy guide ranks one place higher. I wonder why they haven't discounted it yet...

[silver-crescent]

Erm, you're looking at the new releases list, not at the top sellers list. DA2 is actually at #20 at the moment.

[Montana]

The Angry One wrote...

The sad thing is you know people like Laidlaw are looking at the lower sales figures and going
"Hmmm... needs to be more like CoD."

Dragon Age 3: Call Of Dragons!

Where you play as Mason Hawke, a chantry Seeker (special forces soldier) who's been caught and brainwashed by an evil Blood Mage group called "The Russians".

The story starts with Mason Hawke waking up in a chantry interrogation room, he's seeing numbers written in blood and his interrogators wants to know what the numbers mean.

The game will feature a thrilling 4.5 hour single player campaign and multiplayer which will carry the game even though it's nothing special.

There BioWare, I just wrore the plot for DA3, give me money.

[fastidiou5]

Not surprised at the sales, just hope Bioware and EA get the correct message from this. Take the time to make the next one a quality game instead of cutting corners in all aspects of development to rush it out.

[augustburnt]

Don't worry its EA we are talking about here, DA3 will be out next week and the only way to tell DA2 and DA3 apart will be that DA3 has you trapped in a brand new city.

[darkshadow136]

augustburnt wrote...

Don't worry its EA we are talking about here, DA3 will be out next week and the only way to tell DA2 and DA3 apart will be that DA3 has you trapped in a brand new city.

rofl aint that the truth. Really though this should be a reality check for EA and Bioware, that they should have stuck with the recipe that DAO followed by. Despite what pc mags and such load the score of DA2 as the user score of the game is quite low. Hopefully Bioware and EA make DA3 a game that DAO core fans can be proud of, with that said I will still wait for user reviews before buying the next one.

[jmbrosendo]

Tony77A wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

The sad thing is you know people like Laidlaw are looking at the lower sales figures and going
"Hmmm... needs to be more like CoD."

Dragon Age 3: Call Of Dragons!

Where you play as Mason Hawke, a chantry Seeker (special forces soldier) who's been caught and brainwashed by an evil Blood Mage group called "The Russians".

The story starts with Mason Hawke waking up in a chantry interrogation room, he's seeing numbers written in blood and his interrogators wants to know what the numbers mean.

The game will feature a thrilling 4.5 hour single player campaign and multiplayer which will carry the game even though it's nothing special.

There BioWare, I just wrore the plot for DA3, give me money.

Whilst not in agreement with the opinions expressed here, this gave me a good laugh.

[AkiKishi]

The best one I saw was this. (sorry don't recall who posted it).

"Get three kills in a row and call in Flemeth for an airstrike".

[Night Prowler76]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

1) You might want to edit out your pyramid quotes guys. They bite.

2) VGACats data is worth less than the ads it servers. I'm just sayin'. It's only good for pushing agendas.

Just like you are only good for pushing BioWares agenda, right?  VGCHARTS is not very far off  on their data, unless you consider that BioWare was liing when they said they had moved over 1 million units, because it was a similar number that VGcharts had for the game at the time...

Quit liing to push your own fanboish attitudes on others, its quite pathetic, really, stop it.

[Statulos]

Only Bioware knows for sure how much they have sold overall and platform by platform. However, if the sales are as low as it is suggested, I'd seriously think about a redux/enhanced edition.

[Everwarden]

Statulos wrote...

Only Bioware knows for sure how much they have sold overall and platform by platform. However, if the sales are as low as it is suggested, I'd seriously think about a redux/enhanced edition.

A free expansion and an apology might help sales. People like to call RPG fans impossible to please, but it isn't true. Though the typical RPG fan does have -some- standards, and DA2 was a big middle finger to Bioware's core audience; so apology+gift is what is needed here in my completely unprofessional opinion. 

[Statulos]

Impossible to please? In these very boards I see a generalized "I liked DA:O" or a generalized "The Witcher is a game I enjoyed" so seems like they're not that complicated...

[Jaron Oberyn]

I find it hilarious that they're saying it's doing so well, yet all evidence points to contrary. It's so obvious that the only reason they've attached me2 to this game was to boost sales for it. What a cheap move. They've become so desperate.

-Polite

[nopho]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

I find it hilarious that they're saying it's doing so well, yet all evidence points to contrary. It's so obvious that the only reason they've attached me2 to this game was to boost sales for it. What a cheap move. They've become so desperate.

-Polite

on a brighter side, i had no ME2 before and am enjoying it.

(despite the very very strong feeling that DA2 was supposed to be mass effect in medieval times..just with less polish and less gimmicks)

[Everwarden]

nopho wrote...
on a brighter side, i had no ME2 before and am enjoying it.

Me too. ME2 was an excellent game, though I'd like the Mass Effect style to stay in Mass Effect, next time. 

[erynnar]

Everwarden wrote...

nopho wrote...
on a brighter side, i had no ME2 before and am enjoying it.

Me too. ME2 was an excellent game, though I'd like the Mass Effect style to stay in Mass Effect, next time. 

Same here, ME in DA drag is a "drag" of a game? Oh sorry, I couldn't resist.

[neppakyo]

erynnar wrote...

Everwarden wrote...

nopho wrote...
on a brighter side, i had no ME2 before and am enjoying it.

Me too. ME2 was an excellent game, though I'd like the Mass Effect style to stay in Mass Effect, next time. 

Same here, ME in DA drag is a "drag" of a game? Oh sorry, I couldn't resist.

So DA2 is wearing a ME2 skirt and some makeup now? lol

[Persephone]

Everwarden wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Only Bioware knows for sure how much they have sold overall and platform by platform. However, if the sales are as low as it is suggested, I'd seriously think about a redux/enhanced edition.

A free expansion and an apology might help sales.

Right. And thus anger people who enjoyed the game by making them feel like worthless, tasteless fools. (I know that's what some of you believe but Bioware better not) 

But being selfish, entitled and self-absorbed is more fun, nothing else counts, right?

[LilyasAvalon]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

I find it hilarious that they're saying it's doing so well, yet all evidence points to contrary. It's so obvious that the only reason they've attached me2 to this game was to boost sales for it. What a cheap move. They've become so desperate.

-Polite

They're either in serious denial or they're sugar coating it all.

It's sad how desperate they're getting though; asking review sites to take down bad reviews, creating accounts to vote themselves and make reviews for DA2 go up, bribing popular gamer magazines (Seriously, anyone who votes a full 10/10 for this game is either bribed or easily amused), locking every topic that has bad mentions of DA2, the addon of ME2, locking users out of the game....

It's even sadder that they're refusing to admit that maybe, just MAYBE, DA2 wasn't a great a game and instead, treating some of their long time, most loyal fans like idiots for constructively pointing out what was wrong with it.

[Persephone]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

I find it hilarious that they're saying it's doing so well, yet all evidence points to contrary. It's so obvious that the only reason they've attached me2 to this game was to boost sales for it. What a cheap move. They've become so desperate.

-Polite

They're either in serious denial or they're sugar coating it all.

It's sad how desperate they're getting though; asking review sites to take down bad reviews, creating accounts to vote themselves and make reviews for DA2 go up, bribing popular gamer magazines (Seriously, anyone who votes a full 10/10 for this game is either bribed or easily amused), locking every topic that has bad mentions of DA2, the addon of ME2, locking users out of the game....

Eh?

Where are they asking for reviews to be removed?

And one Bioware employee reviewing DAII doesn't mean they're doing a huge campaign to boost their own scores.

Do you have ANY proof of bribery except your own disagreement with positive reviews? No? Thought so. But hey, let's accuse Bioware of ANYTHING.

Locking every topic that "has bad mentions of DAII"? That's an outright lie.

Locking users out of the game? Happened to TWO people, not two thousand. Chill!

Egads, the hyperbole!

[Creator001]

I dont think that people going to buy DA3.
probably buy a pirat copy.
You dont want to pay top dollor for something that you do not realy want

[Statulos]

Persephone wrote...

Everwarden wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Only Bioware knows for sure how much they have sold overall and platform by platform. However, if the sales are as low as it is suggested, I'd seriously think about a redux/enhanced edition.

A free expansion and an apology might help sales.

Right. And thus anger people who enjoyed the game by making them feel like worthless, tasteless fools. (I know that's what some of you believe but Bioware better not) 

But being selfish, entitled and self-absorbed is more fun, nothing else counts, right?

Products are products. You´re as tasteless or refined as I am; no better nor worse. You think DA2 was a fulfilling product and it´s fine, for me it is not and I think it could be seriously revamped, corrected and enhanced.

I deal with that on a daily basis because that´s how my job is. Nothing wrong or malicious in considering that someone else can simply improve what they have already done. 

[Persephone]

Statulos wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Everwarden wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Only Bioware knows for sure how much they have sold overall and platform by platform. However, if the sales are as low as it is suggested, I'd seriously think about a redux/enhanced edition.

A free expansion and an apology might help sales.

Right. And thus anger people who enjoyed the game by making them feel like worthless, tasteless fools. (I know that's what some of you believe but Bioware better not) 

But being selfish, entitled and self-absorbed is more fun, nothing else counts, right?

Products are products. You´re as tasteless or refined as I am; no better nor worse. You think DA2 was a fulfilling product and it´s fine, for me it is not and I think it could be seriously revamped, corrected and enhanced.

I deal with that on a daily basis because that´s how my job is. Nothing wrong or malicious in considering that someone else can simply improve what they have already done. 

I am all for making improvements. If they want to make an Enhanced Edition, I'll be happy, sure. But if Bioware has to apologize and toss out a free expansion to make it up to those who have been bad mouthing them for weeks...that just tops the entitled scale and then some.

Like a bully saying "Hey, I mobbed you for weeks, now if you apologize for *Insert reasons for bullying* and buy my lunch for a month, I'll forgive you!".

Modifié par Persephone, 20 avril 2011 - 03:50 .