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[Statulos]

I never demanded an apology nor a free anything. I mean, it´s a game, it was an expensive one and I felt that I paid too much for what I got but well, that happens and I am sure that no Bioware guy was thinking something like "he he he, how we´re going to ****** off some expatriate Spaniard, he he he" in their secret chambers of doom.

[Persephone]

Statulos wrote...

I never demanded an apology nor a free anything. I mean, it´s a game, it was an expensive one and I felt that I paid too much for what I got but well, that happens and I am sure that no Bioware guy was thinking something like "he he he, how we´re going to ****** off some expatriate Spaniard, he he he" in their secret chambers of doom.

Oh, I know. The apology thing wasn't in reference to you.

Hey, I feel lotsa things I buy are overprized. And sometimes I do exchange things or get credit by bringing it back. But not even "The Guild II" in all its bugged horror had me go on Jowood's forums and badmouth them for weeks while demanding freebies at the same time!

[Statulos]

On the contrary I think yelling crap is counter-productive. Yes, I didn´t fully enjoy DA2 and yes I think it lacks a loooot of elements and there has been a lot of wrong decissions during the making.

However, I am very sure that Bioware will be far more interested to know why I am dissapointed and how things would have been more pleasant than reading how I insult them.

BTW: there is a great thunderstorm out there, lights are flickering and there is a possible tornado on its way, maybe I´ll brodcast a catastrophe live!

[Persephone]

Statulos wrote...

On the contrary I think yelling crap is counter-productive. Yes, I didn´t fully enjoy DA2 and yes I think it lacks a loooot of elements and there has been a lot of wrong decissions during the making.

However, I am very sure that Bioware will be far more interested to know why I am dissapointed and how things would have been more pleasant than reading how I insult them.

BTW: there is a great thunderstorm out there, lights are flickering and there is a possible tornado on its way, maybe I´ll brodcast a catastrophe live!

Yup. Constructive criticism will go a long way.

And heh, I'll watch that broadcast! Sure more interesting than the "DAII killed my kitten!" melodrama.

[Statulos]

Everything is fine so far; the sky is not turning green (actually, lightning are quite nice to watch) and seems like the wind is not too noisy. Night is young still so maybe I´ll be in the international news tomorrow.

[erynnar]

Persephone wrote...

Statulos wrote...

On the contrary I think yelling crap is counter-productive. Yes, I didn´t fully enjoy DA2 and yes I think it lacks a loooot of elements and there has been a lot of wrong decissions during the making.

However, I am very sure that Bioware will be far more interested to know why I am dissapointed and how things would have been more pleasant than reading how I insult them.

BTW: there is a great thunderstorm out there, lights are flickering and there is a possible tornado on its way, maybe I´ll brodcast a catastrophe live!

Yup. Constructive criticism will go a long way.

And heh, I'll watch that broadcast! Sure more interesting than the "DAII killed my kitten!" melodrama.

Awe no killing Sir Pounce Alot!  And yeah, I am disappointed but I don't need an apology or free stuff (well they did give me ME 2, and I really appreciate it). But yeah. I hope I have been constructive...I do worry. I see both sides, and I try to be a calm nice constructive person. Though I am sure I have messed up somewhere, to err is human after all.

Please be safe Statulos!

[erynnar]

Statulos wrote...

Everything is fine so far; the sky is not turning green (actually, lightning are quite nice to watch) and seems like the wind is not too noisy. Night is young still so maybe I´ll be in the international news tomorrow.

Glad it isn't green!  To paraphrase Ali "Green is...baaad.":lol:

[Statulos]

erynnar wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Statulos wrote...

On the contrary I think yelling crap is counter-productive. Yes, I didn´t fully enjoy DA2 and yes I think it lacks a loooot of elements and there has been a lot of wrong decissions during the making.

However, I am very sure that Bioware will be far more interested to know why I am dissapointed and how things would have been more pleasant than reading how I insult them.

BTW: there is a great thunderstorm out there, lights are flickering and there is a possible tornado on its way, maybe I´ll brodcast a catastrophe live!

Yup. Constructive criticism will go a long way.

And heh, I'll watch that broadcast! Sure more interesting than the "DAII killed my kitten!" melodrama.

Awe no killing Sir Pounce Alot!  And yeah, I am disappointed but I don't need an apology or free stuff (well they did give me ME 2, and I really appreciate it). But yeah. I hope I have been constructive...I do worry. I see both sides, and I try to be a calm nice constructive person. Though I am sure I have messed up somewhere, to err is human after all.

Please be safe Statulos!

If the cone strikes there will be no way to avoid death, it´s just that simple.

But hey, Bioware can mark that as "fun dies while typing stupidity on our boards".

[heathxxx]

Whilst there's 100% way to prove or exactly prove sales figures with a high degree of accuracy, given the numerous and sometimes dubious ways they're compiled, or unless they come directly from EA Games, I do think there's enough evidence there to suggest that DA2 hasn't done as well as expected/hoped.

- Drop in retail price of game in many stores and many online vendors worldwide, so soon after release.

- ME2 "offer".

Compared to a number of other games on the market, the fall in retail price so quickly, suggests that poor or negative user feedback has made people think twice about buying the game, certainly at the "full" price it was released at.

Throwing ME2 into the mix as a "reward" for those having purchased DA2 seems like an attempt to prop up flagging sales, by offering a more critically acclaimed and higher selling game, as an added incentive to buy. Sort of a "buy one, get one free".

Overall, I can see the series going one of two ways. Either DA2 is the last and there will be no DA3, or Bioware have a complete rethink as to what made the series popular in the first place and take a hard look at a broad spectrum of the feedback DA2 received.

That said, EA Games might factor in the "tough economic conditions" as one reason for sales figures being lower than expected. However, that's an old chestnut they've used before and when compared to some other developers and publishers who are performing exceptionally well in this climate, one has to then question why they're under-performing compared to others...

Modifié par heathxxx, 20 avril 2011 - 07:56 .

[Taura-Tierno]

I didn't consider the ME2 offer so much an effort to boost DA2 sales as an attempt to lure people into the Mass Effect franchise for ME3. I think they'd have made the same thing even if DA2 had been selling like crazy.

[Cybermortis]

Can anyone provide a link that indicates, without any question, that Bioware decided to offer ME2 to registered buyers of DA2 to bolster sales? Can you prove that this idea wasn't something that they had decided to do before DA2 hit the shelves (followed it seems by the waste-basket)?

Anyone?

Nope, didn't think so.

[neppakyo]

Cybermortis wrote...

Can anyone provide a link that indicates, without any question, that Bioware decided to offer ME2 to registered buyers of DA2 to bolster sales? Can you prove that this idea wasn't something that they had decided to do before DA2 hit the shelves (followed it seems by the waste-basket)?

Anyone?

Nope, didn't think so.

Baaaa

[PlumPaul93]

Cybermortis wrote...

Can anyone provide a link that indicates, without any question, that Bioware decided to offer ME2 to registered buyers of DA2 to bolster sales? Can you prove that this idea wasn't something that they had decided to do before DA2 hit the shelves (followed it seems by the waste-basket)?

Anyone?

Nope, didn't think so.

if you actually believe it wasn't to improve sales or get people to keep the game then

[Everwarden]

Persephone wrote...
Right. And thus anger people who enjoyed the game by making them feel like worthless, tasteless fools. (I know that's what some of you believe but Bioware better not) 

Yup. Everyone is enraged by free stuff. I can't argue with such sound logic.

But being selfish, entitled and self-absorbed is more fun, nothing else counts, right?

Sorry, I'm not quite that easy to bait. Though that's a lot of personal insults for what was a rather impersonal post.

[T-0pel]

Cybermortis wrote...

Can anyone provide a link that indicates, without any question, that Bioware decided to offer ME2 to registered buyers of DA2 to bolster sales? Can you prove that this idea wasn't something that they had decided to do before DA2 hit the shelves (followed it seems by the waste-basket)?

Anyone?

Nope, didn't think so.

Do you think they would release somthing that indicates this, "without any question"?
"This is an official statement. We are very, very sad that DA2 sales are worse then EA demanded, and we dont want to lose our jobs, so we decided to give away free ME2 key to get more people buy the game."
Is this what you are looking for?

[mmu1]

Cybermortis wrote...

Can anyone provide a link that indicates, without any question, that Bioware decided to offer ME2 to registered buyers of DA2 to bolster sales? Can you prove that this idea wasn't something that they had decided to do before DA2 hit the shelves (followed it seems by the waste-basket)?

Anyone?

Nope, didn't think so.

Can you provide a link that indicates, without any question, that you're not a chimpanzee trained by Mike Laidlaw to post pro-Bioware messages?

[JaegerBane]

heathxxx wrote...
Throwing ME2 into the mix as a "reward" for those having purchased DA2 seems like an attempt to prop up flagging sales, by offering a more critically acclaimed and higher selling game, as an added incentive to buy. Sort of a "buy one, get one free".

To be honest I just thought this was a bizarre thing to do - there isn't really any particular link the two games have in common, but hey, it makes a good freebie. I don't regret getting my ME2 CE back at launch, though.

Overall, I can see the series going one of two ways. Either DA2 is the last and there will be no DA3, or Bioware have a complete rethink as to what made the series popular in the first place and take a hard look at a broad spectrum of the feedback DA2 received.

I would hope they do take a long hard look at it and come up with a proper sequel.

The problem is, while DA2 wasn't a bad game in of itself, when seen in the context of being a sequel to DA:O there just isn't much in the game that is worth keeping - a good hard look could easily result in the developers thinking 'ok, aside from the graphic upgrades, scrap everything we did in the last year and start again'. I can't imagine that will sound particularly appealing to the money-men.

[Everwarden]

JaegerBane wrote...
The problem is, while DA2 wasn't a bad game in of itself, when seen in the context of being a sequel to DA:O there just isn't much in the game that is worth keeping - a good hard look could easily result in the developers thinking 'ok, aside from the graphic upgrades, scrap everything we did in the last year and start again'. I can't imagine that will sound particularly appealing to the money-men.

Nah. Scrap the graphics, too. Those elves just look ridiculous. 

[JaegerBane]

Everwarden wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...
The problem is, while DA2 wasn't a bad game in of itself, when seen in the context of being a sequel to DA:O there just isn't much in the game that is worth keeping - a good hard look could easily result in the developers thinking 'ok, aside from the graphic upgrades, scrap everything we did in the last year and start again'. I can't imagine that will sound particularly appealing to the money-men.

Nah. Scrap the graphics, too. Those elves just look ridiculous. 

By graphic upgrades, I meant improvments to the engine. I wouldn't shed a tear if they dumped all those daft redesigns, though. I personally thought the Darkspawn re-designs were the worst.

I really hope Bioware shake this habit of changing stuff for the sake of changing it. The Mass Effect series has largely escaped it, thankfully....

Modifié par JaegerBane, 20 avril 2011 - 04:08 .

[BomimoDK]

JaegerBane wrote...

Everwarden wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...
The problem is, while DA2 wasn't a bad game in of itself, when seen in the context of being a sequel to DA:O there just isn't much in the game that is worth keeping - a good hard look could easily result in the developers thinking 'ok, aside from the graphic upgrades, scrap everything we did in the last year and start again'. I can't imagine that will sound particularly appealing to the money-men.

Nah. Scrap the graphics, too. Those elves just look ridiculous. 

By graphic upgrades, I meant improvments to the engine. I wouldn't shed a tear if they dumped all those daft redesigns, though. I personally thought the Darkspawn re-designs were the worst.

I really hope Bioware shake this habit of changing stuff for the sake of changing it. The Mass Effect series has largely escaped it, thankfully....

What are you talking about? It was their first "multi-game" franchise and they raped it hard as hell. AFAIK, the only sequel to actually look, move and feel like an actual sequel was BG2. IT didn't have to change, It just evolved and expanded.

[Stanley Woo]

Let's remember to keep the name-calling and insults out of the discussion, please. We can disagree with each other without resorting to childish behaviour. Thank you.

[erynnar]

JaegerBane wrote...

heathxxx wrote...
Throwing ME2 into the mix as a "reward" for those having purchased DA2 seems like an attempt to prop up flagging sales, by offering a more critically acclaimed and higher selling game, as an added incentive to buy. Sort of a "buy one, get one free".

To be honest I just thought this was a bizarre thing to do - there isn't really any particular link the two games have in common, but hey, it makes a good freebie. I don't regret getting my ME2 CE back at launch, though.

Overall, I can see the series going one of two ways. Either DA2 is the last and there will be no DA3, or Bioware have a complete rethink as to what made the series popular in the first place and take a hard look at a broad spectrum of the feedback DA2 received.

I would hope they do take a long hard look at it and come up with a proper sequel.

The problem is, while DA2 wasn't a bad game in of itself, when seen in the context of being a sequel to DA:O there just isn't much in the game that is worth keeping - a good hard look could easily result in the developers thinking 'ok, aside from the graphic upgrades, scrap everything we did in the last year and start again'. I can't imagine that will sound particularly appealing to the money-men.

Well, I didn't like DA2, but I don't think they have to scrap everything but the graphics. I found some things from DA2 I liked. And yeah, DAO, fix what was meh, or not working and don't throw it all away. And don't do what they did with DAO to DA2 and throw it all away too. Take what worked from both.

[neppakyo]

erynnar wrote...
Well, I didn't like DA2, but I don't think they have to scrap everything but the graphics. I found some things from DA2 I liked. And yeah, DAO, fix what was meh, or not working and don't throw it all away. And don't do what they did with DAO to DA2 and throw it all away too. Take what worked from both.

I agree, there are some decent things in DA2, but the decent was outweighed by the bad.

They have to scrap the engine they're using now, its very outdated. If I were them, I'd license the RED engine from CD Projekt, and build the next game off of that. 

Bioware can't build good engines anymore. (well, what they did build was average, not great)

[erynnar]

neppakyo wrote...

erynnar wrote...
Well, I didn't like DA2, but I don't think they have to scrap everything but the graphics. I found some things from DA2 I liked. And yeah, DAO, fix what was meh, or not working and don't throw it all away. And don't do what they did with DAO to DA2 and throw it all away too. Take what worked from both.

I agree, there are some decent things in DA2, but the decent was outweighed by the bad.

They have to scrap the engine they're using now, its very outdated. If I were them, I'd license the RED engine from CD Projekt, and build the next game off of that. 

Bioware can't build good engines anymore. (well, what they did build was average, not great)

Oh for me too, bad outweighed the good. But there was good in it. And yeah, new engine needed, definitely.

[Dracotamer]

Yeah, this is what should happen when companies make rushed games for the sole purpose of profits.