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[wildannie]

If DA2 is making poor sales it is not because there is no interest in the franchise, but because people who loved DAO are disappointed with the sequel. If a new franchise got such a reception it might be dropped but I don't think EA are going to be as rash with DA...

Therefore is would seem unlikely and unwise to drop the franchise, rather I expect Bioware to take some of the valid criticism onboard when developing 3.

PS. I like DA2, and while there is room for improvement, it's clear that some of the criticism has been totally over the top and malicious.

[Zmajc]

MorrigansLove wrote...

The sales will go up due to their DA2/ME2 surprise. Especially on steam.

Why would people want to get skeleton version of ME2  without any DLC's for 50-60$ by buying AD2 when they can get it mega cheap  for 11 - 15$ it's selling atm  and just wait for AD2 to drop in price?

Oh and the ME2 + AD2 deal only lasts till the end of the month. Then what?

DA:O is still selling pretty decently due to great reviews. Probably even more now due to all talk about it being superior to AD2.

EDIT:

Do you even realise why they decided to add ME2 to the package so soon? It has nothing to do with celebrating 1 million sold units of AD2. They realised AD2 isn't worth what it's being sold for and added ME2 to the package to make up for it. That and wanting to make additional profit by selling ME2 DLC's to those people.
 

Modifié par Zmajc, 08 avril 2011 - 07:34 .

[DragonRageGT]

DomiiMai wrote...

Inarai wrote...

"Thanks to gamers like you, Dragon Age II is off to a great start – breaking the 1 million mark in less than two weeks and faster than Dragon Age: Origins" - Chris Priestly

1: Your numbers. They suck. Run the 2 week total sales math.

2: Your numbers are from different sources and not comparable.

3: Your numbers for the current game do not come from the same source as your numbers for DA:O. This is a red flag for the probability that you are attempting to deceive.

4: Your numbers for DA2 come from a notoriously unreliable source - it's almost as bad as using Wikipedia in academic work.

5: Digital distribution is a big thing, and you fail to include it.

Therefore: You have no credibility, nor are your conclusions believable based on the detail you've offered. Of course, I am unsurprised to see people failing to analyze "evidence" (and I use the term entirely too loosely) that supports the view they already hold.

Oh man, OP just got PWNT hardcore to the point of no return by this dude.
He should have never even tried let alone guess. 

Denial is the worst symptom of the disease!

Meanwhile, I hope that is not greed that drives DA3 develpment, but love for the game! Do your part well and results will happen better than expected!

If EA is smart, they might release some Enhanced Edition within a year or so, getting rid of bugs and area repetition. While I like DA2 a lot even considering it well inferior to Origins, some stuff in it is enfuriating! The EE is the only reason The Witcher got reckognition because the released version 1.0 was unplayable! And they certainly took their time in producing something that promises to be awesome. Awesome requires hard work, not a button!

Modifié par RageGT, 08 avril 2011 - 07:32 .

[Cutlasskiwi]

Zmajc wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

The sales will go up due to their DA2/ME2 surprise. Especially on steam.

Why would people want to get skeleton version of ME2  without any DLC's for 50-60$ by buying AD2 when they can get it mega cheap  for 11 - 15$ it's selling atm  and just wait for AD2 to drop in price?

Oh and the ME2 + AD2 deal only lasts till the end of the month. Then what?

DA:O is still selling pretty decently due to great reviews. Probably even more now due to all talk about it being superior to AD2.

EDIT:

Do you even realise why they decided to add ME2 to the package so soon? It has nothing to do with celebrating 1 million sold units of AD2. They realised AD2 isn't worth what it's being sold for and added ME2 to the package to make up for it. That and wanting to make additional profit by selling ME2 DLC's to those people.

Cerberus Network comes with the game so it's not a skeleton version of ME2, not that you need DLC's to make the game complete. It's still a great game without DLC. 

And yes, of course they want to boost sales with this deal! They are a company and they make money - simple as that. I think it's a very smart move from BioWare. It might help boost sales for DA2 and it will get Mass Effect on peoples mind again. Especially since ME3 will probably end up competing for customers against Skyrim. 


Edit: Spelling. Note to self: Don't go on forum without morning coffee. 

Modifié par Yellow Words, 08 avril 2011 - 08:34 .

[KLUME777]

DomiiMai wrote...

What's the point of this?
What do you honestly hope to accomplish?
Honestly getting you nowhere.

Judging by your sig, i'd say your biased against this thread because it isnt good news for DA2.

This thread is too inform the fans of the sales statistics, and Bioware's expected sales figures.

[B3taMaxxx]

KLUME777 wrote...

DomiiMai wrote...

What's the point of this?
What do you honestly hope to accomplish?
Honestly getting you nowhere.

Judging by your sig, i'd say your biased against this thread because it isnt good news for DA2.

This thread is too inform the fans of the sales statistics, and Bioware's expected sales figures.

 Actually, the thread is to inform the fans that DA2 doesn't stack up to Origins, in the OP's skewed sense. A failure in other words.

 Of course, given the validity of the information and discerning the contributing factors, it really is a paper tiger.

[KLUME777]

Harcken wrote...

Keep churning out old school RPGs = make hundreds of millions of $ = profit???

Not every game HAS to be a call of duty or pokemon franchise... look at Gears of War, Battlefield, even Halo. I bet all three of those series sales are very close to DA:O.

You can make a Fable game and sell 3 million, or you can make an old school RPG and sell 3 million. I honestly can't see a way where you can combine both these groups, instead of 3 + 3 = 6 million; per DA2, it becomes 1 + 1 = 2 million. 

Those games sold far more than DAO.

Gears of War - 6.13 Million

Halo - 11.4 Million

And those are Xbox 360 alone, not including other platforms. DAO only got about 2 million on Xbox.

[Taura-Tierno]

TUHD wrote...

Hm, since the DA2-ME2 bundle announcement I see an sudden rising in sales on Steam of DA2 (first it was at place 18-19, now suddenly place 6). Taura, this rise is only temporary I think... Digital will about follow the trend of retail.

I won't argue against the possibility, and I wouldn't be surprised if DA2 does sell less than DA:O. I just don't want to jump to any conclusions before we've actually seen the numbers.

[Khayness]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

As has been discussed to death, VGCharts are always to be considered works of fiction. It's amusing so few of you are in the know.

It's only fiction when it isn't representing a pro-BioWare stance.

Then it is the Word of God.

[Tripedius]

To comment on the 'lots of people play rpg's but don't realize it' (like fallout), the settings are very import as well. I think for some people rpg's can be fun if you only take out the dragons, elves, dwarves, swords and other 'medieval' fantasy stereotypes. DA2 with guns in a modern setting without fantasy figures would have sold better with the CoD crowd, but than it's not really DA2 anymore. Some people just don't like fantasy, but those people can still like sf.

Example: I had this friend ones who really like shooters with aliens in it, but hated rpg's because there were fantasy creatures like beholders and dragons in them. Go figure. In short, it's not the rpg gameplay that put most people of (although it can play a role) but the setting.

[Perles75]

for me, the only people that know really how many copies are sold are at EA/Bioware.

By the way, I do not think that eventual not-so-spectacular sales for DA2 would block the development for DA3, because the strong criticism DA2 had to cope with indicates that the franchise is beloved by players.

[AkiKishi]

Perles75 wrote...

for me, the only people that know really how many copies are sold are at EA/Bioware.

By the way, I do not think that eventual not-so-spectacular sales for DA2 would block the development for DA3, because the strong criticism DA2 had to cope with indicates that the franchise is beloved by players.

If DA2 does not sell enough irrespective of DA , then the IP may be pulled. Or depending on cashflow, they may do a 180 and make another DA type game (although likely smaller in scale).

[Lianaar]

I agree with the idea that BW and EA are aware of sale records, be it the same as described in this post or different. Accordingly they can make a reasonable judgement how this fits their corporate goals and how to proceed.

I am also sure they were aware of the risks they went into. A half year later we might know as well if it was worth for them or not. It does take a certain distance and time to be able to realistically judge criticism and link reasons - consequences adequately together.

The thread was an interesting read. My personal hope is, that the following sequels or stories will follow the tradition set with DA2, alas, it is not a wish list for me to make. I still urge people to instead pinpoint the reason of their dislike and describe what they would have enjoyed instead, while avoiding general statements. This way the developers get a clearer picture on what the forum attendants would prefer in games.

[Shamajotsi]

Gosh!

And I thought that this was the Dragon Age II Registered Game Owner General Discussion, not the EA Shareholder Discussion!

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

I remember Microsoft easely closing ACES Games due to financial problems and ACES's fail to deliver game in time. I wonder if EA can abandon DA franchise and throw team into ME or other games as easy as that. "You old dogs can't make a succesful game in 1.5 years?! *kick out*".

[Blastaz]

It looks like the game still doesn't appeal to the CoD crowd.

Does that mean the next game will be even furth dumbed down or can we have a game that apeals to the Baldur's Gate crowd again instead?

[Cutlasskiwi]

I think some people are putting to much weight on BioWare wanting the CoD crowd. In all interviews that I've seen they have only ever said that they can potentially attract people who enjoy games like Assassins Creed and CoD that has some elements from RPG's.

[Zmajc]

Yellow Words wrote...

I think some people are putting to much weight on BioWare wanting the CoD crowd. In all interviews that I've seen they have only ever said that they can potentially attract people who enjoy games like Assassins Creed and CoD that has some elements from RPG's.

Maybe because their fears that any classic RPG sequel catered to CoD audience will have it's classic RPG elements stripped came to be true?

[Rockpopple]

Well I don't want to say whether I believe the numbers or not.

What I will say is that if the numbers are true, then this is a bad thing. What I don't get is why are people celebrating? Do you not know that if it doesn't sell well, it won't get a sequel? EA will drop the franchise like a hot potato. Why do you think this is a good thing?

If you don't like DA II, fine. A lot of people don't. A lot of people do. I love DA II and I love the DA franchise. I don't want to see it go away. I don't know why so many people apparently do. Can't they just hate the game without dancing for it's misfortune?

[Cybermortis]

There probably will be a DA3. A lot of the development time for DAO was probably in creating the game world, rather than the technical side of things. In this regards reusing the setting saves time - even if you skip the game forward 100 years you have the original history of the world to act as a foundation.
Look at the Star War's franchise. One of the major reasons it is still going over 30 years after the first film is because George Lucas sat down and detailed the SW universe, giving it its own laws and history on which the 'current' events could be based. (It is also interesting to note that the SW books/games that were badly received broke from this established history/laws or tried to do so to a greater or lesser degree). The way GL was able to fill in the world also allowed stories to be set before the 'present', while keeping the same flavour - KOTOR is an example.

Potentially the DA world could carry on for decades, a large number of games, books, comics and even a MMO much further down the line. (Films are less likely, given that fantasy films don't usually sell well - unlike Mass Effect who's Sci-Fi setting has resulted in it being picked up and developed as a film). As such I would expect at least one more DA game to be developed and released, in the hopes that it would allow them to continue using the same setting.

[Cutlasskiwi]

Zmajc wrote...

Yellow Words wrote...

I think some people are putting to much weight on BioWare wanting the CoD crowd. In all interviews that I've seen they have only ever said that they can potentially attract people who enjoy games like Assassins Creed and CoD that has some elements from RPG's.

Maybe because their fears that any classic RPG sequel catered to CoD audience will have it's classic RPG elements stripped came to be true?

I highly doubt that they catered DA2 specifically for the CoD fans. I can understand why people don't like DA2 but this argument I don't get. At all. 

[Maverick827]

Cybermortis wrote...

even if you skip the game forward 100 years you have the original history of the world to act as a foundation.

They couldn't call it "Dragon Age," though.

[Zhijn]

Rockpopple wrote...

Well I don't want to say whether I believe the numbers or not.

What I will say is that if the numbers are true, then this is a bad thing. What I don't get is why are people celebrating? Do you not know that if it doesn't sell well, it won't get a sequel? EA will drop the franchise like a hot potato. Why do you think this is a good thing?

If you don't like DA II, fine. A lot of people don't. A lot of people do. I love DA II and I love the DA franchise. I don't want to see it go away. I don't know why so many people apparently do. Can't they just hate the game without dancing for it's misfortune?

Thats how the worlds celebrity goes around
Something/someone stays on the high horse for to long and make one (or two) bad mistakes, it'll be torn apart.

Ah im not to worried, while i agree DA2 is one giant piece of sloppy sequel im confident that the DA franchise will continue no matter the "hate" it gets. ME3 will pick em back up and everything will be nothing but roses and a pink haze of "oh that game, we dont speak of that anymore!".

[LilyasAvalon]

Even if the site wasn't a bit doubtful, I have to agree roughly with those numbers.

Stores around here are already beginning to slash the price of DA2 and when I asked them why, they just said it wasn't selling well.

It's sad, but true and justified. What's even sadder though is that I think Bioware is in denial about this...