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[Dark83]

The original post is disingenuous. He posts the DAO vs DA2 numbers for the two consoles, but avoids comparing PCs sales from that same source.

DAO: PC
Week 1 - 56,319
Week 2 - 21,683
Week 3 - 18,408
Week 4 - 19,687

DA2: PC
Week 1 - 148,830
Week 2 - 38,002
Week 3 - 26,165
Week 4 - 16,082

http://gamrreview.vg...on-age-origins/
http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/

The data is from his own source. It was ignored because it doesn't support his assertions, damaging his credibility.

Modifié par Dark83, 08 avril 2011 - 04:48 .

[neppakyo]

Dark83 wrote...

The original post is disingenuous. He posts the DAO vs DA2 numbers for the two consoles, but avoids comparing PCs sales from that same source.

DAO: PC
Week 1 - 56,319
Week 2 - 21,683
Week 3 - 18,408
Week 4 - 19,687

DA2: PC
Week 1 - 148,830
Week 2 - 38,002
Week 3 - 26,165
Week 4 - 16,082

http://gamrreview.vg...on-age-origins/
http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/

The data is from his own source. It was ignored because it doesn't support his assertions, damaging his credibility.

Don't forget, most if not all of week one were pre-orders (on DA:O merrits) And DA:O went on to sell over 2 million or more (esitmated) for the PC alone. Don't see DA2 doing this.

[Dark83]

tariq071 wrote...

Someone is keep bringing up Steam,with the reason.But Steam has around 1.5 million subscribers.Unless every second or third person bought DA2(which is not happening) numbers are still not huge, based that weekly DA2 is not getting above 8-9th place on their Topsellers list.

If every third person on Steam bought DA2, they'd sell 8 million copies.

Steam has over 25 million subcribers

[tariq071]

Dark83 wrote...

tariq071 wrote...

Someone is keep bringing up Steam,with the reason.But Steam has around 1.5 million subscribers.Unless every second or third person bought DA2(which is not happening) numbers are still not huge, based that weekly DA2 is not getting above 8-9th place on their Topsellers list.

If every third person on Steam bought DA2, they'd sell 8 million copies.

Steam has over 25 million subcribers

I stand corected, thank you for clarification of it.

[gingerbill]

tariq071 wrote...


Someone is keep bringing up Steam,with the reason.But Steam has around 1.5 million subscribers.Unless every second or third person bought DA2(which is not happening) numbers are still not huge, based that weekly DA2 is not getting above 8-9th place on their Topsellers list.

steam had over 20 million subscribers ages ago i assume its higher now . And DA2 was number one for awhile . Not saying that proves or dissproves anything but i think your greatly downplaying steam numbers. I just checked and there were more than 1.5 million online as we speak . Also steam announced over 800 million pound sales last year.

edit - sorry i had typed this before your post above

Modifié par gingerbill, 08 avril 2011 - 04:54 .

[TJSolo]

Dark83 wrote...

The original post is disingenuous. He posts the DAO vs DA2 numbers for the two consoles, but avoids comparing PCs sales from that same source.

DAO: PC
Week 1 - 56,319
Week 2 - 21,683
Week 3 - 18,408
Week 4 - 19,687

DA2: PC
Week 1 - 148,830
Week 2 - 38,002
Week 3 - 26,165
Week 4 - 16,082

http://gamrreview.vg...on-age-origins/
http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/

The data is from his own source. It was ignored because it doesn't support his assertions, damaging his credibility.

So would you have uss belive that DAO sold nothing in NA on PC? Because you seem to leave out the bit that the sales data for PC in NA at the time DAO was release was unavailable.

DA2 - EMEAA only
Wk  EMEAA    
1     54,632    
2     10,556
3     9,004    
4     6,295
DAO-EMEAA only
Wk     EMEAA    
1     56,319    
2     21,683    
3     18,408    
4     19,687    

[Dark83]

neppakyo wrote...

Don't forget, most if not all of week one were pre-orders (on DA:O merrits) And DA:O went on to sell over 2 million or more (esitmated) for the PC alone. Don't see DA2 doing this.

Not my point. We can see that DA2 sales are dropping faster, and week 4 is selling worse as well.

My point is that when people misuse sources and deliberately ommit information, I don't care what you're saying, you lack credibility.

This was particularly galling because it was information from the same source. I looked over the post and went "Wait, where are the PC numbers? He's linked all the others, are they missing?" No, it was just ommited without explanation.

[Dark83]

TJSolo wrote...

So would you have uss belive that DAO sold nothing in NA on PC? Because you seem to leave out the bit that the sales data for PC in NA at the time DAO was release was unavailable.

I'm not trying to make anyone believe anything. I'm pointing out omission of data. I didn't actually know they didn't update their numbers, so it's good that at least one person is checking on sources.

Also, I was wrong about Steam. Six months ago, Steam had 30 million subscribers.

http://store.steampo....com/news/4502/

[Lord Gremlin]

B3taMaxxx wrote...

Nobody cancels a million plus sold franchise. /tears

Basically this. If those numbers are close to truth, if anything they show that changes made in DA2 compared to DAO hurt EA pocket. I can hear it squeaking.
Here's your paraphrase...

[neppakyo]

Dark83 wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

Don't forget, most if not all of week one were pre-orders (on DA:O merrits) And DA:O went on to sell over 2 million or more (esitmated) for the PC alone. Don't see DA2 doing this.

Not my point. We can see that DA2 sales are dropping faster, and week 4 is selling worse as well.

My point is that when people misuse sources and deliberately ommit information, I don't care what you're saying, you lack credibility.

This was particularly galling because it was information from the same source. I looked over the post and went "Wait, where are the PC numbers? He's linked all the others, are they missing?" No, it was just ommited without explanation.

Point given. Or he could of forget about them? Not sure tho. For DA2, theres that 400,000+ preorders to distribute through the week 1/2 numbers in my opinion lol.

[Dark83]

TJSolo wrote...

DA2 - EMEAA only
Wk  EMEAA    
1     54,632    
2     10,556
3     9,004    
4     6,295
DAO-EMEAA only
Wk     EMEAA    
1     56,319    
2     21,683    
3     18,408    
4     19,687    

Actually, this makes the omission of data even more annoying, since it doesn't hurt his assertion. <_<

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

*edit*  I replied to a troll.

Modifié par RinpocheSchnozberry, 08 avril 2011 - 05:07 .

[tariq071]

gingerbill wrote...

steam had over 20 million subscribers ages ago i assume its higher now . And DA2 was number one for awhile . Not saying that proves or dissproves anything but i think your greatly downplaying steam numbers. I just checked and there were more than 1.5 million online as we speak . Also steam announced over 800 million pound sales last year.

edit - sorry i had typed this before your post above

That's ok , it was my honest mistake.

I was looking on Stats section where peak amount of players playing DA2 was around 1900, which is rather low number in comparison to some older games there(FO:NV is around 4000 for example).

@Dark83  Thanks for more accurate informations

Modifié par tariq071, 08 avril 2011 - 05:07 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

*edit*  I replied to a troll.

Modifié par RinpocheSchnozberry, 08 avril 2011 - 05:07 .

[Shatterkiss]

Dark83 wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

DA2 - EMEAA only
Wk  EMEAA    
1     54,632    
2     10,556
3     9,004    
4     6,295
DAO-EMEAA only
Wk     EMEAA    
1     56,319    
2     21,683    
3     18,408    
4     19,687    

Actually, this makes the omission of data even more annoying, since it doesn't hurt his assertion. <_<

I've been watching those charts and I'd swear that DAO PC sales were completely blank as little as a week ago.  Not even Euro sales were included.  I may be mistaken, but if the poster is like me he just stopped checking the DAO PC page because there was nothing there.

[david46]

As a PC gamer I stopped buying physical media as soon as digital downloads were available. Since you never have to fool around with discs or the associated DRM schemes and can't misplace the Product Key, I abandoned physical media. i don't think I am alone in this, digital distribution has too many advantages to pass up. With pre release downloading. I was playing the game less than a minute after the release time.

Those sales figures do not take into account digital distribution, the actual sales figures are probably much higher, only EA knows for sure.

Modifié par david46, 08 avril 2011 - 05:23 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

david46 wrote...

As a PC gamer I stopped buying physical media as soon as digital downloads were available. Since you never have to fool around with discs or the associated DRM schemes if you have to reinstall and can't misplace the Product Key, I abandoned physical media. Those sales figures do not take into account digital distribution the actual sales figures are probably much higher, only EA

Yeah.  I bought two disks in the last two years.  I can download to an archive, so I do that and burn them to a disk.  Never have to DL it again.  With preload, there's no delay either.  

[Halo Quea]

This is actually kind of sad and painful to observe. They had a hit franchise that sold anywhere between 3.5 to 4 Million copies. Then someone inside Bioware came up with the brilliant logic that it wasn't enough, that they needed to make changes to attract a different demographic to boost sales. Which begs the question, "What was wrong with the near 4 million gamers you already had?"

The really bad thing is that Bioware can't hear us anymore, they've got their wagons in a circle and they're going to continue to defend their decisions no matter what the truth in DA2's sales numbers actually reflects.

Word of mouth is what made Origins the success that it became. I suspect that it's working in the reverse this time around. I remember happily recommending Origins to just about anyone I knew was a gamer and wanted to give RPGs a try. Not everyone liked it, but most had great things to say about it. I haven't tried to really discourage anyone from buying DA2, but anyone who has asked me about it certainly hasn't heard a glowing recommendation from me either.

Modifié par Halo Quea, 08 avril 2011 - 05:26 .

[Shatterkiss]

david46 wrote...

As a PC gamer I stopped buying physical media as soon as digital downloads were available. Since you never have to fool around with discs or the associated DRM schemes if you have to reinstall and can't misplace the Product Key, I abandoned physical media. Those sales figures do not take into account digital distribution the actual sales figures are probably much higher, only EA

That's true, but it would cause lower numbers for both games.  It's also possible that DA2 has a higher percentage of digital sales than DAO did, as more people embrace downloading games instead of buying discs.  That doesn't take away from the dramatic week-to-week decline in sales for DA2 when compared to much smaller declines for DAO.

[AkiKishi]

Halo Quea wrote...

This is actually kind of sad and painful to observe. They had a hit franchise that sold anywhere between 3.5 to 4 Million copies. Then someone inside Bioware came up with the brilliant logic that it wasn't enough, that they needed to make changes to attract a different demographic to boost sales. Which begs the question, "What was wrong with the near 4 million gamers you already had?"

The really bad thing is that Bioware can't hear us anymore, they've got their wagons in a circle and they're going to continue to defend their decisions no matter what the truth in DA2's sales numbers actually reflects.

Word of mouth is what made Origins the success that it became. I suspect that it's working in the reverse this time around. I remember happily recommending Origins to just about anyone I knew was a gamer and wanted to give RPGs a try. Not everyone liked it, but most had great things to say about it. I haven't tried to really discourage anyone from buying DA2, but anyone who has asked me about it certainly hasn't heard a glowing recommendation from me either.

You wont see the real consequences of this until DA3 is either on pre-order, or canceled. Numbers at the moment , its looking iffy to say the least.

[neppakyo]

Heh, I've certainly told people I know not to get DA2, same ones I told about DA:O and liked it. And in turn they tell other people, and so on. Usually tell them rent it first, its not worth buying. If they wanna buy it after renting, go for it. But I haven't heard from anyone that they did buy it.

[AkiKishi]

I think ME3 is going to be under a lot more scrutiny than it would have been had DA2 done well. Arrival could be some sort of indicator of that.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Halo Quea wrote...

"What was wrong with the near 4 million gamers you already had?"

It wasn't 5 million.  :)

The really bad thing is that Bioware can't hear us anymore, they've got their wagons in a circle and they're going to continue to defend their decisions no matter what the truth in DA2's sales numbers actually reflects.

Oh, they can hear the moans and groans.  They also hear criticism.  They're smart enough to know that while you may be loud, that doesn't mean you're right.  Besides... DA2 sole 1 million faster than DAO.  ^_^

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Autolycus wrote...

Why bother downloading it at all if your going to burn it to a disc anyway? May as well just buy said physical copy and get all the other physical goodies too.

I get all the interesting goodies digitally.  WIth a DL, I don't have to go any buy it.  It's just there on launch day.

As for the sales figures, DA:O is going to well and truly batter DA2....anyone with half a brain can see that.

Proofs?  You haves none.  :blush: