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[AkiKishi]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...
may be loud, that doesn't mean you're right.  Besides... DA2 sole 1 million faster than DAO.  ^_^

Why do people see that as somehow vindicating DA2? DA2 is a sequel. Inon Zur as much as said in his interview it was rushed to capitalise on the DA name. It also had an advertising budget larger than a lot of games have.
DA2 is an early finisher.

[Statulos]

neppakyo wrote...

Heh, I've certainly told people I know not to get DA2, same ones I told about DA:O and liked it. And in turn they tell other people, and so on. Usually tell them rent it first, its not worth buying. If they wanna buy it after renting, go for it. But I haven't heard from anyone that they did buy it.

I´m finding myself enjoying more a replay of the witch and origins than a replay of DA2. That makes a part of me feel sad.

[Dark83]

Autolycus wrote...

No DRM eh? hehe....What the hell do you think Steam is?

Sunshine and rainbows, cookies and puppies!

[neppakyo]

BobSmith101 wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...
may be loud, that doesn't mean you're right.  Besides... DA2 sole 1 million faster than DAO.  ^_^

Why do people see that as somehow vindicating DA2? DA2 is a sequel. Inon Zur as much as said in his interview it was rushed to capitalise on the DA name. It also had an advertising budget larger than a lot of games have.
DA2 is an early finisher.

Heh. They didn;t  'sell' 1 million, even their PR said they MOVED 1 million, which is not the same as selling.

edit: About Digital Downloads. I can't do that, 100GB cap a month, with 5 other heavy users, so its not realistically for me to get them (Or that damned free promo game )

Plus, I like pretty boxart for games <.<

Modifié par neppakyo, 08 avril 2011 - 05:47 .

[nisallik]

I'm sure they are already close to 2 million sells already, as they have already sold 1+ million by week 2. Hopefully BioWare will keep us updated on the official numbers, as VGChartz is hardly official or accurate.

[AkiKishi]

neppakyo wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...
may be loud, that doesn't mean you're right.  Besides... DA2 sole 1 million faster than DAO.  ^_^

Why do people see that as somehow vindicating DA2? DA2 is a sequel. Inon Zur as much as said in his interview it was rushed to capitalise on the DA name. It also had an advertising budget larger than a lot of games have.
DA2 is an early finisher.

Heh. They didn;t  'sell' 1 million, even their PR said they MOVED 1 million, which is not the same as selling.

Ah the old shipped vs sold wrapped up in new language

[nisallik]

[quote]neppakyo wrote...

Why do people see that as somehow vindicating DA2? DA2 is a sequel. Inon Zur as much as said in his interview it was rushed to capitalise on the DA name. It also had an advertising budget larger than a lot of games have.
DA2 is an early finisher. [/quote]

Heh. They didn;t  'sell' 1 million, even their PR said they MOVED 1 million, which is not the same as selling.

edit: About Digital Downloads. I can't do that, 100GB cap a month, with 5 other heavy users, so its not realistically for me to get them (Or that damned free promo game )

Plus, I like pretty boxart for games <.<

[/quote]

Incorrect, they have SOLD 1 million copies by week 2.

[Statulos]

nisallik wrote...

I'm sure they are already close to 2 million sells already, as they have already sold 1+ million by week 2. Hopefully BioWare will keep us updated on the official numbers, as VGChartz is hardly official or accurate.

They are the only ones with real access to all the digital and physical distribution copies, basically.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

BobSmith101 wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...
may be loud, that doesn't mean you're right.  Besides... DA2 sole 1 million faster than DAO.  ^_^

Why do people see that as somehow vindicating DA2? DA2 is a sequel. Inon Zur as much as said in his interview it was rushed to capitalise on the DA name. It also had an advertising budget larger than a lot of games have.
DA2 is an early finisher.

Whiney Crowd:  "Hahah!  DA2 sux b cuz it haves no loots to have n u can't not put mage in armor, lol!  nd why  BeeDubs no make it 4 me 2 c buubis, lol!  it no a Arrpeegee b cuz of fun comb-bat!  so u c teh looooowb salez!  looo sale ha ha!"

People who enjoy fun games:  "But the game sold 1 million copies faster than DAO and it's fun as hell."

Whiney Crowd: "LALALA SALES DON'T MATTER."

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Autolycus wrote...

I get all the interesting goodies digitally. WIth a DL, I don't have to go any buy it. It's just there on launch day.

Neither do I, I order online and have them delivered to my door. And if your happy to accept a jpg map, pdf manual and other such crap, for the same money I spent to get a real manual, a cloth map etc etc

Then more fool you Rinny

Can't put a cloth map on a tablet or a phone.  And a manual?  You're using a paper manual as a selling point?  Is it 1980 still?  

Digital = stuff I will actually use!  ^_^  

[DomiiMai]

RageGT wrote...

DomiiMai wrote...

Inarai wrote...

"Thanks to gamers like you, Dragon Age II is off to a great start – breaking the 1 million mark in less than two weeks and faster than Dragon Age: Origins" - Chris Priestly

1: Your numbers. They suck. Run the 2 week total sales math.

2: Your numbers are from different sources and not comparable.

3: Your numbers for the current game do not come from the same source as your numbers for DA:O. This is a red flag for the probability that you are attempting to deceive.

4: Your numbers for DA2 come from a notoriously unreliable source - it's almost as bad as using Wikipedia in academic work.

5: Digital distribution is a big thing, and you fail to include it.

Therefore: You have no credibility, nor are your conclusions believable based on the detail you've offered. Of course, I am unsurprised to see people failing to analyze "evidence" (and I use the term entirely too loosely) that supports the view they already hold.

Oh man, OP just got PWNT hardcore to the point of no return by this dude.
He should have never even tried let alone guess. 

Denial is the worst symptom of the disease!

Meanwhile, I hope that is not greed that drives DA3 develpment, but love for the game! Do your part well and results will happen better than expected!

If EA is smart, they might release some Enhanced Edition within a year or so, getting rid of bugs and area repetition. While I like DA2 a lot even considering it well inferior to Origins, some stuff in it is enfuriating! The EE is the only reason The Witcher got reckognition because the released version 1.0 was unplayable! And they certainly took their time in producing something that promises to be awesome. Awesome requires hard work, not a button!

ROFL! You Mad?
You must be mad cause I am able to enjoy something you cannot.
You're angry because all you have in your life are complaints and you take your tantrum on the forum
since it's the only place you believe you can fit in and just spam "awesome button" on every post.

And in all honesty,  idiocy is the worse and it seem to consumes you. <3

So while you claim we hit this "awesome" button, you continue to hit the "I'm pathetic and Mad" button
the forum.

Modifié par DomiiMai, 08 avril 2011 - 06:04 .

[AkiKishi]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...
may be loud, that doesn't mean you're right.  Besides... DA2 sole 1 million faster than DAO.  ^_^

Why do people see that as somehow vindicating DA2? DA2 is a sequel. Inon Zur as much as said in his interview it was rushed to capitalise on the DA name. It also had an advertising budget larger than a lot of games have.
DA2 is an early finisher.

Whiney Crowd:  "Hahah!  DA2 sux b cuz it haves no loots to have n u can't not put mage in armor, lol!  nd why  BeeDubs no make it 4 me 2 c buubis, lol!  it no a Arrpeegee b cuz of fun comb-bat!  so u c teh looooowb salez!  looo sale ha ha!"

People who enjoy fun games:  "But the game sold 1 million copies faster than DAO and it's fun as hell."

Whiney Crowd: "LALALA SALES DON'T MATTER."

Apparently it "moved" 1 million units, that does not mean they were sold.

Heres some context. Pokemon sold 2.6 million in the first release week, just in Japan. It's already over 10 million.

[MerinTB]

http://www.vgchartz....blame-vgchartz/

You can argue methodology, or personally dislike polling and statistics, but their methods are fairly sound.

I think it is a good metric to use, the vgchartz site.  Their methodology is consistant, so while you aren't getting "official" nor "100% accurate" numbers, you are getting a ballpark figure that you can compare to the sales of other games using the same ballpark figures.

So comparing vgchartz DA:O sales to vgchartz DA2 sales is absolutely useful.  However "off" the DA2 sales numbers are, the DA:O numbers will be off in a similar way.

Their polling is similar to how any kind of political polling is - you aren't getting exacts or guaranteed forecasts, but you get moods and predictors.

DA:O by their methods sold, overall, better than DA2 is selling.  If you pull out PC as they have no PC numbers for DA:O, you can clearly see this.

What does this mean?  So far, DA2 is selling ABOUT AS GOOD as DA:O sold from what I can tell.

That "1 million faster" claim seems fishy to me without some good evidence.  Why even make that claim unless you are still trying to bash DA:O and directly argue with the DA:O fans who don't like the DA2 changes?  It may be 100% accurate (though I would guess it's a close thing, either way), but the reasoning behind even stating it just seems to scream desperation.  As does the "free ME2 PC copy if you purchase DA2 and register it by April 30th - please pad our falling sales numbers!"

---

Disclaimer:  Despite disappointement and issues with the game, I overall enjoyed DA2.  I rank it above BG2 and Jade Empire on my personal list of BioWare games, so my opinions on this are NOT coming from hate.  So just toss that logical fallacy away before you try using it on me.

[Cutlasskiwi]

RageGT wrote...

Yellow Words wrote...

I highly doubt that they catered DA2 specifically for the CoD fans. I can understand why people don't like DA2 but this argument I don't get. At all.

The more I play it the more I believe they had ME2 fans in mind. Or they just used the ME2 team to develop the game and that team can't do anything different from ME2!

Amazing how fan-atics may complain that it's a good thing that DA2 is totally different from Origins and not complain how some sex scenes are just Shepard/Kelly laying on the bed, or Shepard having a drink, or Shepard dialogue wheel where some of the actual spoken words have nothing to do with the chosen words in the fraking wheel! Choose "I don't like you" and get a "Now you die, bastard!" ?

I don't see "small animations" like that as a problem. It costs making new ones and I'd rather they use their money on other parts of their games. 

John Epler, cinimatic designer, explained it a little and I even found the link if anyones interested:
http://social.biowar...29106/2#6578369

[barryl89]

DomiiMai wrote...

RageGT wrote...

DomiiMai wrote...

Inarai wrote...

"Thanks to gamers like you, Dragon Age II is off to a great start – breaking the 1 million mark in less than two weeks and faster than Dragon Age: Origins" - Chris Priestly

1: Your numbers. They suck. Run the 2 week total sales math.

2: Your numbers are from different sources and not comparable.

3: Your numbers for the current game do not come from the same source as your numbers for DA:O. This is a red flag for the probability that you are attempting to deceive.

4: Your numbers for DA2 come from a notoriously unreliable source - it's almost as bad as using Wikipedia in academic work.

5: Digital distribution is a big thing, and you fail to include it.

Therefore: You have no credibility, nor are your conclusions believable based on the detail you've offered. Of course, I am unsurprised to see people failing to analyze "evidence" (and I use the term entirely too loosely) that supports the view they already hold.

Oh man, OP just got PWNT hardcore to the point of no return by this dude.
He should have never even tried let alone guess. 

Denial is the worst symptom of the disease!

Meanwhile, I hope that is not greed that drives DA3 develpment, but love for the game! Do your part well and results will happen better than expected!

If EA is smart, they might release some Enhanced Edition within a year or so, getting rid of bugs and area repetition. While I like DA2 a lot even considering it well inferior to Origins, some stuff in it is enfuriating! The EE is the only reason The Witcher got reckognition because the released version 1.0 was unplayable! And they certainly took their time in producing something that promises to be awesome. Awesome requires hard work, not a button!

ROFL! You Mad?
You must be mad cause I am able to enjoy something you cannot.
You're angry because all you have in your life are complaints and you take your tantrum on the forum
since it's the only place you believe you can fit in and just spam "awesome button" on every post.

And in all honesty,  idiocy is the worse and it seem to consumes you. <3

So while you claim we hit this "awesome" button, you continue to hit the "I'm pathetic and Mad" button
the forum.

I like the last line

[Savber100]

The only reason I trust vgchartz was posting fallacious game sales, they would have be sued off their ass by game publishers. Do we really think that EA and Activision will tolerate a site that claims that their game sales are sinking when it's really not?

[david46]

Autolycus wrote...

No DRM eh? hehe....What the hell do you think Steam is?

I don't use Steam, they don't have anything I want, and EA Store or Impulse are better alternatives anyway. They provide similar services but their software does not have to be running when you play the games. If the game is a Steam exclusive I am not interested even though I might have been a follower of the franchise. I am looking for less intrusive DRM and Steam is most certainly not it. I sincerly hope the Witcher 2 from GOG will be a huge success, with the smallest percentage of piracy in history. so other companies consider following suit.

[Korusus]

Without digital figures VGchartz remains inaccurate, but if one guesstimates the digital numbers and adds them to the physical sales for week 2 of DA2 that's around 1 million. Physical sales went over 1 million on week 3.

So basically both of these comments: "DA2 sold 1 million copies faster than DA:O" and "DA2 is selling worse than DA:O" can both be true at the exact same time.

VGChartz isn't meant to be 100% accurate, but like a poll it's meant to show a trend. I have no reason to doubt that trend. The game may hit 2 million with digital sales...but that's gonna be the plateau and it probably wont hit it for months.

[Dark83]

Savber100 wrote...

The only reason I trust vgchartz was posting fallacious game sales, they would have be sued off their ass by game publishers. Do we really think that EA and Activision will tolerate a site that claims that their game sales are sinking when it's really not?

Why would they care?
Very rarely to publishers ever publish their figures, and if the site is drawing erroneous conclusions and calculations, that's hardly a basis for a lawsuit.

Internets: "They said they moved 10 million! There's over 10 million fish in the sea, so they've lost 20 million dollars! EA's going to go bankrupt!"
EA: "Somebody hear something? No? Ok."

[Dark83]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Apparently it "moved" 1 million units, that does not mean they were sold.

You know, I tried to look for a reference to see if they say sold or moved, and in fact it doesn't mention either. It says "passed" the 1 million mark in two weeks, faster than Dragon Age Origins.

[Brockololly]

MerinTB wrote...

That "1 million faster" claim seems fishy to me without some good evidence.  Why even make that claim unless you are still trying to bash DA:O and directly argue with the DA:O fans who don't like the DA2 changes?  It may be 100% accurate (though I would guess it's a close thing, either way), but the reasoning behind even stating it just seems to scream desperation.  As does the "free ME2 PC copy if you purchase DA2 and register it by April 30th - please pad our falling sales numbers!"

Maybe its me, but they never say in the press release regarding the ME2 offer that they've actually "sold" anything- they just say that DA2 has "broken" the one million mark. Not the one million copies shipped or sold or anything.

I don't doubt that it has sold as much, but you have to figure a healthy chunk of those one million are likely preorders, especially given the SE deal. Origins did as well as it did in part because it had some staying power, whereas it seems DA2 might be more like your average summer blockbuster movie, having a big opening weekend and then plummeting.