Koyasha wrote...
AshenEndemion wrote...
The problem is, like the Meredith situation, the idea of "just in case, here's an exception" in the Templar handbook is entirely justified to think about. Illegal in all cases means that any mage who is out of control MUST be killed. There is no other option. That's a rather large waste of resources when you can eliminate the mage by making them Tranquil (though if they fight it, you can just kill them).
That, to me, seems to be exactly the primary reason why it is illegal to tranquil any harrowed mage. Because otherwise it can be abused for direct gain. Since tranquil will often serve the templars directly and can be employed for monetary gain, it seems very strongly reasoned that the prohibition against tranquiling harrowed mages is in significant part to prevent the temptation to subject them to tranquility for direct personal gain. Note though that this is my own conjecture, but it seems a logical line of thinking.
That's a good argument for the illegality. But I think the Chantry isn't so much worried about Templars abusing their power (blatently, at least), as they are worried that the mages will rise up and bring about a return to the Tivinter Imperium's former "glory."
I would agree that there is a rule on the books, that says "this is illegal." But like most things there are exceptions. For example, murder is okay if the person you killed was going to kill you. If an apostate is a threat, but they are brought back to the Circle alive, there is likely a provision for the templars saying "At your discresion, the mage may be returned to the Circle, made Tranquil, or executed." To not have such an exception in place, after 300+ years of the Circle, is rather silly, in my opinion. Because then you would have many more deaths of Apostates.
Koyasha wrote...
AshenEndemion wrote...
And now we're back to Meredith being complicit....
Please,
explain to me how, if it involves Templars, Meredith must have known,
regardless of who did it or what was done, because she's Knight
Commander... But when it involves mages, Orsino could not have known
about it because he's not responsible for every mage even though he's
First Enchanter.
I'd really like to know how that works....
I, at least, think Orsino is responsible. At best he is negligent to the point where his position as First Enchanter should be stripped - the blood mages in this Circle seem far, far more prevalent than in the Circle at Ferelden. At worst he is directly complicit by hiding activities from those he is legally obliged to report them to - and we know of at least two cases in which he is, Quentin and the conspiracy he has the Champion investigate. Irving might be excused to some degree for missing Uldred and his conspiracy since that was only a small number of mages - couple dozen, as I recall - (although that was still a failure on his part) but Orsino really cannot be excused for missing the vast number of mages doing things against the Circle laws in Kirkwall, and intentionally hiding others. He is highly responsible for what's gone on there.
Fair enough. I respect the idea that both Orsino and Meredith are complicit. I, personally, think they both
should have known about the actions of their subordinates, but didn't actually know or
encourage such actions (Even though I believe Orsino was a Blood Mage, I think he didn't confide in anyone because he was afraid of getting outed, more than anything). That makes them both incompetent, but not complicit.... But it would have been rather hard to
prove incompetance at any point, for both of them...
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