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[Xeiru]

spokenwordd wrote...

KalosCast wrote...

GStruwe wrote...

This discussion isn't even about the human noble family adjusting to your looks anymore, is it?

Well, between Xeiru trolling, admitting to trolling (I think), and still being taken seriously, it crops up.

I'm not even sure he knows he is a Troll...

I am (mostly) trolling.

(Note: I typed the above slowly, because I realize you probably can't read very fast)

[Dark83]

Ignoring the debate, I'd like to point out that in spite of the fact that we can create our characters to look like whatever we want, the characters are actually already defined.



The noble has a mother, a father, and a brother. The noble is a favored child, etc. The character is not a blank slate for you to do what you will, but already predefined - you are the youngest child, etc. Similarly, a Dalish Elf has tattoos - period. A casteless dwarf has tattoos - period. No other characters have tattoos - this is the setting.



We are given flexibility, however - we can look like whatever we want. However that is merely cosmetic, and does not impact the setting nor the character. The noble is Cousland, not a blank slate. This is similiar to Mass Effect - you are Shepard, not some random grunt, you are a member of the military, not whatever you like.



We step into the story and can make choices, but make no mistake, the character we play is already there in the story.

[Xeiru]

KalosCast wrote...



Perhaps the level of complaining is irrational, but it would have been a nice touch had a simple palette-swap been included. It's not really a game-breaker, just kind of weird that they give you a wide variety of skin tones, but if you're not white then there's nobody else like you... but you still have to identify as a native ferelden in game. I just kept it in mind when rolling the rest of my characters, like you said: it's not a big deal.

See I think rather than doing that It might have been nice had they included one "black" origin story. Like in the Qunari homeland. And who knows, maybe they will. Or maybe it didn't fit in with the story they wanted to tell (actually, this one is more than a maybe).

However as i've said twice already.

Rolling an elf, in a world of dwarves, and complaining about being the only elf, is retarded.


EDIT: The above poster also makes even more plain a point i've been trying to make for hours.

Modifié par Xeiru, 18 novembre 2009 - 09:16 .

[Valethar]

Pseudo310 wrote...

But you guys get that I'm not complaining about the lack of black people in Ferelden, right? That's a non-issue. I'm saying that it's silly to make a black character who has a white family. Especially since there's no other black people in Ferelden, he or she had to come from somewhere. So I'm giving Bioware some feedback on that. Having multiple character models for the family wouldn't be the hard I bet.

Probably easier than you think.

NPC armor/clothing is reflected in the cutscene animations if you alter what they had to begin with. If you remove all of their armor, they're talking to you in their underwear in the cutscene, for example. If you give Alister or one of the others new gear, they're wearing it in the cutscenes.

Based on that, I would think that it should be fairly easy for them to be able to put something in that would alter skin tone on the family of the PC to more closely resemble the PC's. Granted, it MIGHT possibly come off with the effect of looking like a white person in makeup, but more likely not. There are far more people of color who have more 'caucasian' features than most folks realize. It may not fit into the 'period' of the game setting, but I doubt it would cause much loss of immersion simply because the bone structure, etc.. wasn't more 'african' in nature.

Bottom line, it should be workable. However, EA isn't known for spending money on something once they've already been in your wallet.

[spokenwordd]

Xeiru wrote...

spokenwordd wrote...

KalosCast wrote...

GStruwe wrote...

This discussion isn't even about the human noble family adjusting to your looks anymore, is it?

Well, between Xeiru trolling, admitting to trolling (I think), and still being taken seriously, it crops up.

I'm not even sure he knows he is a Troll...

I am (mostly) trolling.

(Note: I typed the above slowly, because I realize you probably can't read very fast)

The old ad hominem huh?  When all else fails attack the opponent...  Actually I read very fast and in 3 languages but you would know that because you know me outside of this forum huh?  LOL  Thanks for clarifying the fact that you are a nuisance and not here to truly share your opinions and the merits of your case....  And on top of that I'm black too sheesh... breaking the stereotypes.

[Xeiru]

spokenwordd wrote...

Xeiru wrote...


I am (mostly) trolling.

(Note: I typed the above slowly, because I realize you probably can't read very fast)

The old ad hominem huh?  When all else fails attack the opponent...  Actually I read very fast and in 3 languages but you would know that because you know me outside of this forum huh?  LOL  Thanks for clarifying the fact that you are a nuisance and not here to truly share your opinions and the merits of your case....  And on top of that I'm black too sheesh... breaking the stereotypes.

T - R - O - L - L

Also, you only seem to address my trollish comments. Not my fault all 3 of your languages and your african american heritage don't seem to help one bit when it comes to addressing the meat of an argument and instead leave you with blinders on to anything but veiled jabs at the stupidity of your over-exaggerated feelings of racial persecution.

I've actually tried a couple of times to point out errors in your arguments, you simply refuse to reply to anything but the troll jabs. You really shouldn't be suprised if after 8+ pages of me trolling people for being over-sensitive, that I include you when thats all you seem to want to whine about.

Modifié par Xeiru, 18 novembre 2009 - 09:24 .

[KalosCast]

Xeiru wrote...

KalosCast wrote...



Perhaps the level of complaining is irrational, but it would have been a nice touch had a simple palette-swap been included. It's not really a game-breaker, just kind of weird that they give you a wide variety of skin tones, but if you're not white then there's nobody else like you... but you still have to identify as a native ferelden in game. I just kept it in mind when rolling the rest of my characters, like you said: it's not a big deal.

See I think rather than doing that It might have been nice had they included one "black" origin story. Like in the Qunari homeland. And who knows, maybe they will. Or maybe it didn't fit in with the story they wanted to tell (actually, this one is more than a maybe).

However as i've said twice already.

Rolling an elf, in a world of dwarves, and complaining about being the only elf, is retarded.


EDIT: The above poster also makes even more plain a point i've been trying to make for hours.

Except they're wholly different species with non-interacting Origins, instead of just being opposite ends of one of like 20 sliders. This isn't like the Elder Scrolls series where Redguards, dark skinned humans, are treated as a wholly separate group.

Though a "Foreigner" origin would be kinda cool, I think. Or at least getting the option to identify as one... kind of like how the Elves and Dwarves can set themselves up as having a very strong species-based identity.

[Livemmo]

black...

[TheRealBrave]

For the love of God people, Qunari's aren't Black Humans.

[Xeiru]

KalosCast wrote...

Except they're wholly different species with non-interacting Origins, instead of just being opposite ends of one of like 20 sliders. This isn't like the Elder Scrolls series where Redguards, dark skinned humans, are treated as a wholly separate group.

Though a "Foreigner" origin would be kinda cool, I think. Or at least getting the option to identify as one... kind of like how the Elves and Dwarves can set themselves up as having a very strong species-based identity.

I get that, I really do. The whole 20 days without eating/drinking or whateve was a big tip off. My point was to suggest something akin to that, not necessarily that in particular.

Foreigner would have been kind of cool, especially if it was particularly ambivalent about your background since you would be able to kind of "make it up as you go", and it would have been a catch all for anyone who wasn't thrilled with the other options.

[Habelo]

elkston wrote...

Habelo wrote...

why would anyone want to play as a black man anyway? :S

Gee. Maybe, just MAYBE black people have computers.  And play games.  And maybe play CRPGs?

MAYBE they want to sometimes have an avatar that looks simllar to them when given the choice?

You know, something you might take for granted because it's never been denied you?

Well... Doesnt all black people want to be white anyway? :S

[Livemmo]

Habelo wrote...

Well... Doesnt all black people want to be white anyway? :S

Only one comes to mind.

[KalosCast]

I get that, I really do. The whole 20 days without eating/drinking or whateve was a big tip off. My point was to suggest something akin to that, not necessarily that in particular.

Foreigner would have been kind of cool, especially if it was particularly ambivalent about your background since you would be able to kind of "make it up as you go", and it would have been a catch all for anyone who wasn't thrilled with the other options.

Or even just give you a couple options for where you want to be from in character creation, make Loghain hate you a little more, and give a few nationalistic comments now and then and BAM! instant Antivan or Orlesian.

[KalosCast]

I get that, I really do. The whole 20 days without eating/drinking or whateve was a big tip off. My point was to suggest something akin to that, not necessarily that in particular.

Foreigner would have been kind of cool, especially if it was particularly ambivalent about your background since you would be able to kind of "make it up as you go", and it would have been a catch all for anyone who wasn't thrilled with the other options.

Or even just give you a couple options for where you want to be from in character creation, make Loghain hate you a little more, and give a few nationalistic comments now and then and BAM! instant Antivan or Orlesian.

[Livemmo]

We can all agree though that black people should be called black instead of 'african american' right?

[Xeiru]

Unless you are specifically referring to black americans. In which case african-american might be more appropriate.

In general I suppose it makes as much, and as little sense as calling white people white, asians yellow, and latino's brown.

That being little to none.

Also race is pretty irrelevant except to the racist, the appologist, and the over-sensitive. For the rest of us the shade of your skin just doesn't matter. Honestly to me race only comes up when one of those three parties is present, and even then is only a source of amusement.

Modifié par Xeiru, 18 novembre 2009 - 09:50 .

[Habelo]

Livemmo wrote...

We can all agree though that black people should be called black instead of 'african american' right?

Are you kidding me? Srsly..... American?... wtf?

since when was there only black people in america :S

[adastrum]

This is ridiculous. Not putting blacks in the game is not "prejudiced." If they wanted to be prejudiced, then they would have not let you make a black character, which is obviously not the case. This is RE5 all over again. All you kill is Africans, => the developers hate Africans. Or perhaps it was set in Africa?



This is a ridiculous complaint. We know games are good when we nitpick about the lack of racial congruence.



I don't hate blacks, just minorities with a sense of entitlement because they are minorities.

[Livemmo]

Xeiru wrote...

Unless you are specifically referring to black americans. In which case african-american might be more appropriate.

In general I suppose it makes as much, and as little sense as calling white people white, asians yellow, and latino's brown.

That being little to none.

Also race is pretty irrelevant except to the racist, the appologist, and the over-sensitive. For the rest of us the shade of your skin just doesn't matter. Honestly to me race only comes up when one of those three parties is present, and even then is only a source of amusement.

But I can still put spinners on my horse right.... honestly, that's all I really care about.


Its ...SPINNNNNNNAS

[Xarne]

OMG, at first this started out a what I thought was a legit issue, more likely a very well disguised troll thread.

Let's wrap this up:

1- Xeiru is a troll with a capital T

2- BioWare eff'd up: Forget about the whole 'black human noble thing', let's come from the other angle and say if they werent going to make the family black then humans should not have the option for darker palettes. There it is, case is closed.

[Livemmo]

spin let it spin you spin we spin sock em bop em spinners

[spokenwordd]

Xarne wrote...

OMG, at first this started out a what I thought was a legit issue, more likely a very well disguised troll thread.
Let's wrap this up:
1- Xeiru is a troll with a capital T
2- BioWare eff'd up: Forget about the whole 'black human noble thing', let's come from the other angle and say if they werent going to make the family black then humans should not have the option for darker palettes. There it is, case is closed.

I agree with you on both points... And at the end of the day it is a great game this is a minor issue at best, NOT a racial one but an issue of continuity.  Nice wrap up.

[Forwen]

Did anyone complain there was only one race available in Jade Empire? I mean, since it's the internet someone somewhere probably did. But seriously?

[Livemmo]

spokenwordd wrote...

Xarne wrote...

OMG, at first this started out a what I thought was a legit issue, more likely a very well disguised troll thread.
Let's wrap this up:
1- Xeiru is a troll with a capital T
2- BioWare eff'd up: Forget about the whole 'black human noble thing', let's come from the other angle and say if they werent going to make the family black then humans should not have the option for darker palettes. There it is, case is closed.

I agree with you on both points... And at the end of the day it is a great game this is a minor issue at best, NOT a racial one but an issue of continuity.  Nice wrap up.

I disagree with this wrap up and hope to see many more attempts at wrapping this up. I myself would like to insert a well placed wrap up of my own, but at the moment I'm lacking both the place which would need to be well and the creativity to follow through. With that said, I will still be donating a turkey this weekend. So that makes me feel happy.