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vhatever wrote...

The Console Version is good wrote...

In my opinion Psuedo has a right to discuss this and all those people talking about realism need come back to reality themselves. Since when was it wrong to make point out a flaw in the game?

 I's about as big of a "flaw" as not being able to make a left handed character. Handism!

Come to think about it why isnt there an option for a left handed character? You people on the right need to learn your place. No but seriously there are allot of things that bother me with the origin story like if I made my character look like an old man I would still be seen as a kid. He has a point I mean why cant there be a black noble family? Not once was someones skin color even mentioned in this game so I do not see how having a black noble family would be out of place. If you feel it would ruin your experience who cares its not like you have to play as a Black character, You see how that argument goes both ways?

[purplesunset]

I'm done, though I tried.

People just keep over-simplifying the issue, and expressing their views in a rather curt, and antagonistic way. They would erect a straw man argument such as "Ferelden is all white, you idiot!" and then dismantle the straw man. Ad hominem attacks don't necessarily make for a productive conversation.

Yes, there were a few people who  were more understanding, and less antagonistic in their responses, and for them I am grateful.

This is the third time I'm saying this, but for some reason, any discussion in a messageboard that involves race invariably devolves into over-simplistic accusations of "you're just playing the race card!" on one side and "you're a bigot!" on the other side. Nothing prodictive ever comes from this, and few people have patience to put more thought into their responses beyond a knee-jerk reaction.

Modifié par purplesunset, 19 novembre 2009 - 08:41 .

[The Console Version is good]

purplesunset wrote...

I'm done, though I tried.

People just keep over-simplifying the issue, and expressing their views in a rather curt, and antagonistic way. They would erect a straw man argument such as "Ferelden is all white, you idiot!" and then dismantle the straw man. Ad hominem attacks don't necessarily make for a productive conversation.

Yes, there were a few people who  were more understanding, and less antagonistic in their responses, and for them I am grateful.

This is the third time I'm saying this, but for some reason, any discussion in a messageboard that involves race invariably devolves into over-simplistic accusations of "you're just playing the race card!" on one side and "you're a bigot!" on the other side. Nothing prodictive ever comes from this, and few people have patience to put more thought into their responses beyond a knee-jerk reaction.

They need to come up with a name for people who continously use the "You are just using race card" argument for everything dealing with skin color and ethnicity.

Modifié par The Console Version is good, 19 novembre 2009 - 08:50 .

[The Console Version is good]

Also Duncan looks a bit middle eastern to me, Maybe Sicilian.

[DM Veil]

You ever seen the movie "The Jerk"? Well son, I have some bad news for you. You're not white.

[Prexxus]

As soon as someone screams BLACK MAN DISRESPECTED! Instant 20 page threads appear.



OP should get a grip, I don't understand how these threads aren't locked O.o



Oh and two white parents can have a black baby. So just pretend that's whats happening and play the game

[The Console Version is good]

Two white parents having a black baby in a word filled with Magic and Dragons seems fairly plausible.

[Schyzm]

bet your fake rpg dad was surprised when you popped out.

[The Demonologist]

The Console Version is good wrote...

purplesunset wrote...
Snip:(

They need to come up with a name for people who continously use the "You are just using race card" argument for everything dealing with skin color and ethnicity.

Whenever someone uses that arguement TOO much, it actually tends to lead back to, erm, racism.

I have a very short fuse when it comes to the subject, and tend to go on long rants about it whenever I see something like this. I'll do everyone the favor of not doing it.

I was sad that I couldn't make myself. Imagine my chagrin when I made the darkest character possible and I found Bryce Cousland was white as snow. ;P My brain was expecting something like Fallout 3, where your dad's look was affected by your character's. Turned out to not be so. Would I like something to affect the hair/skin tone atleast of your family? Yes pleez.

[Ibn al Turki]

In Ferelden, where elves and dwarves and darkspawn exist, there is found another odd difference between our world and Dragon Age: A place where things do not go by our norms, and therefore it is possible that like two white dogs can have a black one, the same can happen with humans in ferelden. Feel better?

[Valcutio]

Schyzm wrote...

bet your fake rpg dad was surprised when you popped out.

ROFLMAO. Just when I thought this thread couldn't get any funnier. YOU SIR WIN THE INTERNET!

Please, continue. This forum has never been as entertaining as this single thread.

[Draguling]

vhatever wrote...Considerig I haven't seen any half elves, it does seem likely in this "universe" they are indeed a different species. I'm not sure what the hell "race is created by human intervention" means, however.

It means that humans breed them to that race, dogs, cats and so on.

[WildstarGoethe]

Valcutio wrote...

Schyzm wrote...

bet your fake rpg dad was surprised when you popped out.

Please, continue. This forum has never been as entertaining as this single thread.

Face palms and lulz...this thread has it all. 

Eduku wrote...

Well, I think that continuously arguing about it over here certainly won't bring about any actual change.

What we need is Oprah...she brings it.

[Trajan60]

If you're a black human noble than your mother had relations with an unnamed black man of the Qunari peoples and you're a bastard child. Problem solved.

[vhatever]

The Demonologist wrote...

The Console Version is good wrote...

purplesunset wrote...
Snip:(

They need to come up with a name for people who continously use the "You are just using race card" argument for everything dealing with skin color and ethnicity.

Whenever someone uses that arguement TOO much, it actually tends to lead back to, erm, racism.

I have a very short fuse when it comes to the subject, and tend to go on long rants about it whenever I see something like this. I'll do everyone the favor of not doing it.

I was sad that I couldn't make myself. Imagine my chagrin when I made the darkest character possible and I found Bryce Cousland was white as snow. ;P My brain was expecting something like Fallout 3, where your dad's look was affected by your character's. Turned out to not be so. Would I like something to affect the hair/skin tone atleast of your family? Yes pleez.

Your father's skin tone dos NOT change in fallout 3. You never get to see with (or interract with) your mother. So you would rather delete content from the game just for the sake of some random internet troll.

[Livemmo]

ENCHANTMENT

[Renessa]

Actually I can very well understand people wanting to play black characters in a believable setting. Everybody tries to identify with their chars and I don't see the big problem with it either. Ferelden is a fantasy world. It can be everything the developers want. Would it really have been soooo difficult to make the setting so more black people could have been living there? I am not a writer, but I can think of several options within minutes. For example, the people from Orlais could have been black. Just because they are sophisticated, like fashion and intrigue they have to be French? How cliché is that? The mother could have been Orlesian (see Isolde) and voilá, you can have black or white characters, coming either more after the father or the mother. Or there are a thousand other possibilities: Waves of different races settling in Ferelden, finding some sort of harmonious co-existence, because there are always the elves to look down on together, etc. Seriously, why does it have to be so Euro-centric? (and I am saying this as a white European)

[Lughsan35]

My guys looks like the king...not dear old dad <<<

[FlintlockJazz]

When the setting is something like medieval Europe, I will play a white man.



When the setting is something like medieval Africa, I will play a black man.



When the setting is something like medieval Japan, I will play an asian man.



Actually that's a lie, sometimes I will play a woman, depends on what I'm going for. Either way, I find the OP bigoted for not being willing to play something other than what he is and for thinking that it's oh so important. That is all.

[Leather_Rebel90]

Some of the people on these boards seriously ****** me off because of their stupidity. Does it matter if they're black or white? No. Will it break you role-playing? No. Were there any 'black' nobles during a Medieval era such as Ferelden is set in? No. Stop being petty. This is just dumb. BioWare cannot make everyone happy. Be happy with what you have. Dragon Age is a freaking awesome game, stop looking for stuff to b*tch about. People like you and others like you on these boards sicken me, you're not happy unless you have something to contest and b*tch about. BioWare did an excellent job, don't ridicule them for not taking into account EVERY variable.

[Lughsan35]

Please man you don't know what its like to be an ELF in Ferelden... so don't even talk to me...

[purplesunset]

Renessa wrote...

Actually I can very well understand people wanting to play black characters in a believable setting. Everybody tries to identify with their chars and I don't see the big problem with it either. Ferelden is a fantasy world. It can be everything the developers want. Would it really have been soooo difficult to make the setting so more black people could have been living there? I am not a writer, but I can think of several options within minutes. For example, the people from Orlais could have been black. Just because they are sophisticated, like fashion and intrigue they have to be French? How cliché is that? The mother could have been Orlesian (see Isolde) and voilá, you can have black or white characters, coming either more after the father or the mother. Or there are a thousand other possibilities: Waves of different races settling in Ferelden, finding some sort of harmonious co-existence, because there are always the elves to look down on together, etc.

Although I wanted to stay away, I must come in and say "thank you" to Renessa for another thoughtful post.

Let me go back to the Witcher as an example. They created an all white world, and gave you no choice in character creation because anything else would have been incongruent with the setting. It was the developer's choice and no one complained about it. You play Geralt, and no one else. that is the setting Geralt lives in. Though I'm black, I absolutely loved playing Geralt by the way, and I found no fault whatsoever with the developers.

But Bioware decided to give the players a choice, and unfortunately they fell a bit short and the execution became a bit awkward. It would have been better off if David Gaider had just  said "Ferelden is an all white world. Just deal with it, and if you don't like it, shut up and don't play."

Or as your post suggested, they could have been creative and created the world in such a way that different skin colors wouldn't be so incongruent.

They should make a stand. Either say that Ferelden is an all-white setting,  and those who don't like it can shove it, or do something like you suggested in your post. They have an artistic right to create whatever they want, and any decision would be acceptable by me. :two thumbs up:

[Amblin Clearwater]

Pseudo310 wrote...

Hey Bioware, I have some quick feedback for you. I made a black human noble character. His whole family was white. The whole kingdom was white. That is just silly. Could you do some palette-swapping or something to make the characters who are only in the game's intro consistent with your skin tone? I realize the "no black people in Ferelden" conversation has already been done, but unless there is a reveal that my character was adopted it's jarring and dumb for my family to be the whitest white people. It was done in Fallout 3 and I really appreciated it then. It's a nice acknowledgment that not everyone playing these games is white.

Thanks.

mm made me think of the theme tune to Different Strokes when I read this or Microsoft Polish advertising team, the point is very valid.

Then again, I suppose they'd have to add a script to change the hair and skin colour of your family to suit the PC.
 
To be honest until I read this, based on the characters and my own, I kinda though the game was actually scripted to make your family look like you. Silly me.

Hopefully they fix this or it's gonna be the same for the other races and origins as well......black dwarf, white sister and a mother on the booze, never gonna be a happy ending there.