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[Saurel]

Shes a mod, its her job



Sidenote: Arguements like this are partially why I'm in favor of less family oriented origins in the sequel. If it has origins.



Templar/Mercenary origins would be nice Don't have to worry about family.

[sleepy__head]

purplesunset wrote...

They simply weren't thinking about race at all, because they didn't have to.

Many sociologists refer to this as the number one white privelege...The fact that white people can afford to not even have to think about race.

Man, do us all a favor, start the game and click on Credit.  Then come back to us with a list of last names of all the people involved.  Are they all "white names", or do you see a WHOLE MIX of last names from all over the world?

That should without any doubt debunk whether this is a "white game".  All those NON-WHITE people who made that game didn't think about race, because they were designing a *game*.   Nothing more, nothing less.

[CJohnJones]

Lobsang1979 wrote...

Do people realise that the character creator has to be applicable to all subsequent Bioware or fan-created mods? That perhaps when designing this epic game, the developers knew they had to provide freedom to create character concepts that applied outside the main campaign.

Well, they have black people among your enemies. None of the main villains, but among the crowd. There are Black people somewhere nearby.

[Mossa_missa]

"only readed the 1st 3 pages."



If humans werent the only inteligent humanoid on earth we wuld probably have ganged up on the other race instead of the collor of our skin.



I do agree it wuld have been a nice touch if the close family members did change visiual apperance depending on how you made your charatcer look.

[Saurran]

Pseudo310 wrote...

Hey Bioware, I have some quick feedback for you. I made a black human noble character. His whole family was white. The whole kingdom was white. That is just silly. Could you do some palette-swapping or something to make the characters who are only in the game's intro consistent with your skin tone? I realize the "no black people in Ferelden" conversation has already been done, but unless there is a reveal that my character was adopted it's jarring and dumb for my family to be the whitest white people. It was done in Fallout 3 and I really appreciated it then. It's a nice acknowledgment that not everyone playing these games is white.

Thanks.

Awwww, is the man keepin you down again?  Hey Bioware, I made a white rapper human noble character but there is no option for gold tooths and bling- sup wit dat?

[Livemmo]

Saurran wrote...

Pseudo310 wrote...

Hey Bioware, I have some quick feedback for you. I made a black human noble character. His whole family was white. The whole kingdom was white. That is just silly. Could you do some palette-swapping or something to make the characters who are only in the game's intro consistent with your skin tone? I realize the "no black people in Ferelden" conversation has already been done, but unless there is a reveal that my character was adopted it's jarring and dumb for my family to be the whitest white people. It was done in Fallout 3 and I really appreciated it then. It's a nice acknowledgment that not everyone playing these games is white.

Thanks.

Awwww, is the man keepin you down again?  Hey Bioware, I made a white rapper human noble character but there is no option for gold tooths and bling- sup wit dat?

We need horses so we can put spinners on them.

[RoudyRogue]

Simple answer here... black people couldn't be nobles in that time period... duh

[Ogre2010]

It's fantasy, RoudyRogue. It's fake anyway. Ogres and Dragons couldn't exist in that time period ether, but hey they are there. That's no reason to throw out his point. Adding a line of code to swap out skin tones for family character models before they die anyway isn't a ton to ask.

Modifié par Ogre2010, 04 décembre 2009 - 02:53 .

[KalosCast]

Have you noticed that there are about 35 ambushes per mile travelled in Dragon Age? That means that immigration doesn't happen a lot or in large numbers.

There you go, a perfectly solid explanation, now let this thread die in peace

[Ogre2010]

KalosCast wrote...

Have you noticed that there are about 35 ambushes per mile travelled in Dragon Age? That means that immigration doesn't happen a lot or in large numbers.

There you go, a perfectly solid explanation, now let this thread die in peace

Yeah...claiming to predict immigration by acts of criminal activity per mile in any world isn't a perfect solid explanation for anything...I don't even know how you thought that even made a tiny bit of sense, associating one with the other. 

The thread poster's small suggestion, however, does make sense. Family members that share blood usually share the genetic traits as well, so it would be more involving for the player as a storytelling feature if some code was entered so that custom character family members shared some of the texture and facial modeling choices the player decided on.  It just makes sense and it's a good storytelling suggestion.

[thegreateski]

There is an easy explanation for this.

Your character's mother was a protitute.

Modifié par thegreateski, 04 décembre 2009 - 03:02 .

[Deathstyk85]

haha



thats all i have to say to 90% of this thread.

and i do agree with what someone said, about how "color" wasnt a big issue, since there were ACTUAL other races to deal with, like dwarves and elves, and there is tons of very obvious descrimination between the different races.



also

its a game

[sleepy__head]

I just think the OP is being overly sensitive about a computer game. After all, there are no black people in The Shire, or in Rivendell, or in Rohan, or Gondor, and we don't accuse J.R.R. Tolkien as being racist with Lord of the Rings.

[Sylvius the Mad]

The OP hasn't thought this through. Sure, there was no explanation as o how he was adopted, but if his whole family was black then you'd need an explanation how some foreigners from an unknown land (there are no black people ANYWHERE on Thedas, as far as I can tell) came to be a noble family.

[sleepy__head]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

The OP hasn't thought this through. Sure, there was no explanation as o how he was adopted, but if his whole family was black then you'd need an explanation how some foreigners from an unknown land (there are no black people ANYWHERE on Thedas, as far as I can tell) came to be a noble family.

Actually there are.  I just re-did my mage origin, and after reading this thread I was paying more attention.  One of the senior enchanters in the tower (the guy talking about the different mage fraternities is black.  Or a very very very very dark skinned person.

Modifié par sleepy__head, 04 décembre 2009 - 08:26 .

[RoudyRogue]

There are plenty of black people in this game... DARKSPAWN!!!

[purplesunset]

RoudyRogue wrote...

There are plenty of black people in this game... DARKSPAWN!!!

I have said all that I wanted and needed to say already, but to people who think this is just something to joke about, or if their views really align with their posts here, then perhaps they should know about:

This

And this where the purpose is to kill a non-white horde

Disclaimer (which most likely is going to be ignored anyway): If you carefully read my previous posts, you will see that I was actually defending Bioware on several occasions.

It is possible for someone to unintentionally and inadvertently do something which could possibly be interpreted as any kind of "-ist" (sexist, agist, racist). 

Bioware has no control over whether or not someone chooses to be paranoid, over-sensitive and read things into their games which are not there.

It is very very very unlikely (read impossible) that there was a cabal meeting in a graveyard  amongst Bioware devs where they decided over a boiling cauldron: "Hey let's make this game to p*ss off our non-white players, tee hee!"

^My attempt to inject humor

Modifié par purplesunset, 04 décembre 2009 - 10:23 .

[Roxlimn]

The only mistake Bioware did was not to use the entire palette of features in the population at large.



I have no problems with people having skin tones or facial features that are not the same with those of their parents. This happens in real life - it would happen more often if populations of real people weren't so frakking racist.

[Schwapp]

sleepy__head wrote...

I just think the OP is being overly sensitive about a computer game. After all, there are no black people in The Shire, or in Rivendell, or in Rohan, or Gondor, and we don't accuse J.R.R. Tolkien as being racist with Lord of the Rings.

Overly sensitive?

No.

You're being overly ignorant, though.

He pointed out the failings of the game when you can create a character in-game where the family he belongs to clearly could not have produced him. It isn't about wanting representation. It is about saying that a change should have been made in the game that would allow it to detect the skin tone used on the player character so that the game would adjust the race of its relatives accordingly. Heck, locking in a certain race for particular origins would have probably been acceptable, too, rather than such a glaring contradiction that sucks you out of the game.

You and others ****ing at the OP are bringing your real world bias into a discussion about elements that hamper full immersion into the game world, as trivial as they may seem. Scan the thread a bit. All the "is the man keeping you down", "bling", "spinners", "gold teeth" and "your mom was a prostitute" BS not only misses the point of the discussion but betrays the not so subtle racism many of you brought to the discussion that would actually back up the OP if he was, indeed, complaining simply about race issues along the lines of representation.

[Schwapp]

Roxlimn wrote...

The only mistake Bioware did was not to use the entire palette of features in the population at large.

I have no problems with people having skin tones or facial features that are not the same with those of their parents. This happens in real life - it would happen more often if populations of real people weren't so frakking racist.

Lily white + lily white doesn't procreate Wesley Snipes black. OK, so the game doesn't exactly allow you to make someone that dark, but the point stands that you don't get the degree of difference in skin tone from the parental options provided in the game.

And the fact that lily white times two doesn't make chocolate brown isn't the product of racism. It's the product of genetics. That so few lily whites procreate with other colors of the rainbow in general, however...

[Frostaxt]

I remember as I was playing Jade Empire, that I was kind of pissed, that I couldn´t make a white char. Sure it wouldn´t have really fit into the setting, but I would have just pretend my char somehow got stranded there. So I can understand that a black, asian, arabian etc. person wants to make their main char to resemble him- or herself, despite the logic of the setting.

And well exactly that is possible in DA:O. I wouldn´t ask for more though (like making the whole family black, asian etc.), since that would really be out of place, and would look, at least imho, ridiculous.



Btw this game only plays on one continent, which resembles old Europe. I am sure there are other continents with black, asian, arabian people, which we will see in future installments You just have to wait 5 to 10 years!^^



P.S.: There was not one character with a German accent! I felt kind of neglected by that too!

[RogueAssassinX]

Mod seriously needs to kill this thread where it stands.

[Ahmenus]

Pseudo310 wrote...

Hey Bioware, I have some quick feedback for you. I made a black human noble character. His whole family was white. The whole kingdom was white. That is just silly. Could you do some palette-swapping or something to make the characters who are only in the game's intro consistent with your skin tone? I realize the "no black people in Ferelden" conversation has already been done, but unless there is a reveal that my character was adopted it's jarring and dumb for my family to be the whitest white people. It was done in Fallout 3 and I really appreciated it then. It's a nice acknowledgment that not everyone playing these games is white.

Thanks.

Well to be honest, I found that I was happy with the fact they even allowed me to make a black character. I am black myself and the reason my character in my Avatar is white is because he is made after a comic book character I created.

However, the character I have now is black and I just ushered through the start pretending I was in a Medieval Blindside movie...I like your comment and think you are right.

As far as Bioware goes, I really feel when it comes to races and cultures in general they do alot to add different types of backgrounds. I see what you are seeing and I honestly would have like to have that feature as well but I do support Bioware as far as racial issues go, it's one of the reasons I strongly enjoy their games over others.

[purplesunset]

Ahmenus wrote...

Well to be honest, I found that I was happy with the fact they even allowed me to make a black character. I am black myself and the reason my character in my Avatar is white is because he is made after a comic book character I created.

However, the character I have now is black and I just ushered through the start pretending I was in a Medieval Blindside movie...I like your comment and think you are right.

As far as Bioware goes, I really feel when it comes to races and cultures in general they do alot to add different types of backgrounds. I see what you are seeing and I honestly would have like to have that feature as well but I do support Bioware as far as racial issues go, it's one of the reasons I strongly enjoy their games over others.

It's good that we show our support to Bioware.

But at the same time, I hope our support doesn't imply that we are giving them a license to completely ignore some of the points that came up in this thread (and the other related threads, especially the one about skintone in RPG's)

Even you admit, that you can understand where the OP is coming from while simultaneously supporting Bioware. 
In my case, I understand where the OP is coming from, but I still disagree with him and I don't think what he asks for should be implemented because it simply doesn't fit the setting.

The bottomline is: This isn't exactly a major issue, but it's also not a complete non-issue that Bioware should just shrug off and ignore.

Ignoring fan feedback (whether said feedback is  laudatory or critical) is generally not a good move.

Modifié par purplesunset, 05 décembre 2009 - 10:12 .