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[Master Shiori]

Pseudo310 wrote...

Hey Bioware, I have some quick feedback for you. I made a black human noble character. His whole family was white. The whole kingdom was white. That is just silly. Could you do some palette-swapping or something to make the characters who are only in the game's intro consistent with your skin tone? I realize the "no black people in Ferelden" conversation has already been done, but unless there is a reveal that my character was adopted it's jarring and dumb for my family to be the whitest white people. It was done in Fallout 3 and I really appreciated it then. It's a nice acknowledgment that not everyone playing these games is white.

Thanks.

I'm sorry to tell you but you created a character that is incompatible with the setting you play in.

Fallout 3 takes place in post-apocalyptic US, where you can be of any etnic background and not feel out of place. The only defining factor about your parents in that game is what they do and where they live. Thus, their race can be easily molded to reflect players wishes.

DA:O takes place in a fantasy land whose population (especially nobility) is clearly defined in terms of etnic background and as such cannot be freely molded to suit your own vision.

Having a black human noble in Ferelden would be like having a caucasian character to play in Jade Empire. It might be your personal preferece but it would be out of place in the said setting.

[Master Shiori]

And no, Sten doesn't count as a black human.



He's a Qunari, an entirely separate race, just as elves and dwarves are.

[GenericPlayer2]

I just think that the current character creation tool lets people create whatever they want. How the PC appearance can be explained is up to its creator (the player).

If BW altered skin tones of family to match, I am sure then that some people would complain that while parents and siblings have the same skin tone, they look nothing like the PC. The end result, to maintain immersion completely, would be to provide one template and severely limit player choice in the CC tool. As far as the parents saying that the PC was adopted, that is at the very bottom of the list of dialogs that should have been added to the game.

Modifié par GenericPlayer2, 24 janvier 2010 - 02:24 .

[Korvayer]

I roleplayed an adopted human noble. I experienced no immersion-breaking dialogue.

[Thiefy]

you know, I've always kind of wondered why people make a big deal over a black human noble and not say, a black city elf or a black dwarf. you do see your family members in those origins....furthermore, they actually stay alive and have more substance later on in the plot!

[neo1616]

Where's the love Bioware?! Do we not matter to you?!

Modifié par neo1616, 24 janvier 2010 - 05:50 .

[Whailor]

You have the choice to make your char to be of whatever skin color you want him or her to be. I personally don't care much about it, especially since the society "model" as such comes form real life history (medieval Europe) and everyone knows that there were no black nobles at that time in Europe. If the game would have another area, say some southern area then yes, it would be obvious that there should be such feature included, but as it is now, it simply doesn't fit in, location and timeline wise.

At least you have a choice to make your char with whatever skin color you like, instead of being forced to use something pre-made. That's fair enough. Or, as some have said, you can also role play an adopted child of some close family friend. Maybe your chars biological parents were some nobles from some southern lands and close friends to these human nobles in DAO and, say, maybe they died in some battle and Couslands, considering it an honor to raise the child of their sworn and very close friends, adopted you. Simple. Why try to make a fuss out of everything.

Modifié par Whailor, 24 janvier 2010 - 06:08 .

[hardvice]

People keep talking about 12th century England like that actually matters. The game may be based on medieval Europe, but it doesn't take place in medieval Europe.



In fact, there is a country, Rivain, with a predominantly black population just to the north of Ferelden. (Unlike Britain, Ferelden appears to be in the *southern* hemisphere of Thedas, so warmer lands are to the north).



Looking at the map, Rivain is about as far from Denerim as Orlais is. We're not talking about the geographical difference between England and Africa; we're talking more along the lines of England and Spain, or England and Germany.



Now, with that in mind, would there be Spanish-blooded nobles or German-blooded nobles in 12th century England? Of course there would! Noble families intermarry all the time, whether to keep their bloodlines "pure" or for political reasons.



Frankly, it's more surprising that they're *aren't* any black nobles in Ferelden, given the proximity of a large black population. There are plenty of Antivans and Orlesians and Tevinters, and Rivain isn't much farther away than any of these countries.



But really, that's neither here nor there. The argument isn't that there should be more ethnic diversity in Ferelden. The real point is that if the character creator is going to let you choose a particular character, then the story shouldn't just ignore your choice. 'Well, you made the wrong choice" is not a particularly helpful response, and one has to kind of question why you're so determined to invalidate another player's choices.

[DarkWaterSong]

This was my first play through, and I keep wondering if Ferelden had mailmen.

Modifié par DarkWaterSong, 24 janvier 2010 - 07:40 .

[BroBear Berbil]

hardvice wrote...
Frankly, it's more surprising that they're *aren't* any black nobles in Ferelden, given the proximity of a large black population. There are plenty of Antivans and Orlesians and Tevinters, and Rivain isn't much farther away than any of these countries.

But really, that's neither here nor there. The argument isn't that there should be more ethnic diversity in Ferelden. The real point is that if the character creator is going to let you choose a particular character, then the story shouldn't just ignore your choice. 'Well, you made the wrong choice" is not a particularly helpful response, and one has to kind of question why you're so determined to invalidate another player's choices.

The people of Rivain are not Andrastian so that alone kind of kills that argument.

Putting that aside, I just wonder how far requests like this to "validate choices" will go. Say they do something in the future to mimic your character's skin tone, will people then complain that your family's facial structures are not adequate to their choices? 

At some point people just need to suspend their disbelief and enjoy the game and the characters for what they are. They're not judging you so why are you judging them?

Modifié par OnionXI, 24 janvier 2010 - 07:54 .

[0LunarEclipse0]

David Gaider wrote...

Abriael_CG wrote...
I happened to have made a black character, i want them to make my parents black!
I'd say that's quite a demand.
On an extremely silly detail, I'd say.

I don't think it's a silly detail. Just because Ferelden is largely Anglo-Saxon in its flavor doesn't mean that people of different ethnicities don't or shouldn't exist in the world (which they do), nor is it fair to say that it should be irrelevant to a player that we've allowed to have that appearance. We didn't mean to specifically exclude it, and I think we'll keep it in mind for the future.

Hey look another wonderful response of a developer admiting a mistake. Things happen Bioware. We forgive you. If this is something that will be improved in the future then we as the community giving feedback have done our job.

Thanks for the response David.

[Eudaemonium]

DarkWaterSong wrote...

This was my first play through, and I keep wondering if Ferelden had mailmen.

The first character I made (on a friend's computer before I bought the game) was very like this. Ironically, he ended up looking a lot like Duncan (whose mother was Rivaini). Throughout the origin me and my friends were joking whenever we spoke to ether parent. "Um, mother... about that Grey Warden... do you have something to tell me?" "Father, mother has something to tell you..."

[Statisfaction]

There are already elves in Ferelden. They don't need any more suppressed minorities.